GOD's Existence Proved using theory of probability

[N.M.S.B]

PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT)
TO AN ATHEIST
by Dr. Zakir Naik
CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST
Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I
like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My
special congratulations to you", because most of
the people who believe in God are doing blind
belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a
Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a
Hindu; the majority of the people in the world
are blindly following the religion of their fathers.
An atheist, on the other hand, even though he
may belong to a religious family, uses his
intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever
concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in
his religion may not seem to be logical to him.
My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir,
why are you congratulating an atheist?" The
reason that I am congratulating an atheist is
because he agrees with the first part of the
Shahada i.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ -
meaning ‘there is no God’.
So half my job is already done; now the only
part left is ‘il lallah’ i.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall
do Insha Allah. With others (who are not
atheists) I have to first remove from their minds
the wrong concept of God they may have and
then put the correct concept of one true God.
LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD
My first question to the atheist will be: "What is
the definition of God?" For a person to say there
is no God, he should know what is the meaning
of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a
pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a
pen’, he should know what is the definition of a
pen, even if he does not know nor is able to
recognise or identify the object I am holding in
my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he
should at least know what a pen means.
Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’,
he should at least know the concept of God. His
concept of God would be derived from the
surroundings in which he lives. The god that a
large number of people worship has got human
qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a
god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should
not believe in such false gods.
If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless
religion with something to do with terrorism; a
religion which does not give rights to women; a
religion which contradicts science; in his limited
sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such
Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of
Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam,
but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a
Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to
that non-Muslim i.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it
gives equal rights to the women, it is not
incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I
present the correct facts about Islam, that non-
Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.
Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the
duty of every Muslim is to present the correct
concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not
refuse.
(You may refer to my article, ‘Concept of God in
Islam’, for more details)
QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE
The methods of proving the existence of God
with usage of the material provided in the
‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may
satisfy some but not all.
Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the
existence of God. I agree that today is the age of
science and technology. Let us use scientific
knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, i.e.
to prove the existence of God and
simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a
revelation of God.
If a new object or a machine, which no one in
the world has ever seen or heard of before, is
shown to an atheist or any person and then a
question is asked, " Who is the first person who
will be able to provide details of the mechanism
of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking,
he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some
may say ‘the producer’ while others may say
‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the
person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer
will always be either the creator, the producer,
the manufacturer or some what of the same
meaning, i.e. the person who has made it or
created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever
answer he gives, the meaning will be same,
therefore accept it.
SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN:
for details on this subject please refer to my
book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE –
COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?
THEORY OF PROBABILITY
In mathematics there is a theory known as
‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options,
out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the
chances that you will chose the right one is half,
i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have
50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you
toss a coin the chances that your guess will be
correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a
coin the second time, the chances that you will
be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e.
half. But the chances that you will be correct in
both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x
1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% of 50% which
is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time,
chances that you will be correct all three times is
(1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50%
that is 12½%.
A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and
guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances
that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you
throw the dice the second time, the chances that
your guess will be correct in both the throws is
(1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw
the dice the third time, the chances that all your
three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is
equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.
Let us apply this theory of probability to the
Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed
all the information that is mentioned in the
Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us
discuss the probability of all the guesses being
simultaneously correct.
At the time when the Qur’an was revealed,
people thought the world was flat, there are
several other options for the shape of the earth.
It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular,
pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal,
spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30
different options for the shape of the earth. The
Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a
guess the chances of the guess being correct is
1/30.
The light of the moon can be its own light or a
reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a
reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it
will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both
the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light
of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.
Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living
thing is made of water. Every living thing can be
made up of either wood, stone, copper,
aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen,
hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The
options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly
says that everything is made up of water. If it is
a guess, the chances that it will be correct is
1/10,000 and the probability of all the three
guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon
is reflected light and everything is created from
water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 =
1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.
The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that
were not known to men at the time of its
revelation. Only in three options the result
is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the
probability if all the hundreds of the unknown
facts were guesses, the chances of all of them
being correct guesses simultaneously and there
being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond
human capacity to make all correct guesses
without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient
to prove to a logical person that the origin of the
Qur’an is Divine.
CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN
The only logical answer to the question as to
who could have mentioned all these scientific
facts 1400 years ago before they were
discovered, is exactly the same answer initially
given by the atheist or any person, to the
question who will be the first person who will be
able to tell the mechanism of the unknown
object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the
Manufacturer of the whole universe and its
contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or
more appropriate in the Arabic language,
‘ALLAH’.
QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT
SCIENCE
Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book
of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs
‘S-I-G-N-S’ i.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an
contains more than 6,000 ayaats, i.e. ‘signs’, out
of which more than a thousand speak about
Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an
is the word of God using scientific knowledge as
a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed
to be more superior than what is being checked
or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the
Furqan i.e. criteria to judge right from wrong
and the ultimate yardstick which is more
superior to scientific knowledge.
But for an educated man who is an atheist,
scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he
believes in. We do know that science many a
times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted
the examples only to scientific facts which have
sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific
theories based on assumptions. Using the
ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to
prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God
and it contains the scientific knowledge which is
his yardstick which was discovered recently,
while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At
the end of the discussion, we both come to the
same conclusion that God though superior to
science, is not incompatible with it.
SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD
BUT NOT GOD
Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has
rightly said that a little knowledge of science
makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of
science makes him a believer in God. Scientists
today are eliminating models of God, but they
are not eliminating God. If you translate this into
Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god
with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a
capital ‘G’).
Surah Fussilat:
"Soon We will show them our signs in the
(farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own
souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this
is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth
witness all things?"
[Al-Quran 41:53]

[W1zzard]

wall of text proven by the internet

[N.M.S.B]

Lol jst read it in ur free time

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by W1zzard

wall of text proven by the internet

[Fourstaff]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Source: wikipedia

Also, if you have 60,000 quotes of which most have an open way of interpretation the chances of getting at least one correct is pretty high.

[N.M.S.B]

Haha i dont have anything like that jst wanted to share the book called quran contains some things which r to hard to justify for a iliterate man to say 1400 years ago

[N.M.S.B]

Most of us have a question if there is a god who or what was he how is he does have parents or does he have children is he like the creation.A iliterate man 1400 years ago answers all this question so easily how can i or u jus tify this logically. Example-The Most Concise Definition of God
"Say: He is Allah,
The One and Only.
"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him."
[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

[qubit]

I'm an atheist and this rubbish proves nothing about god.

It does not deserve to be in the science and technology section, but should be moved to GN and forgotten about.

[brandonwh64]

Originally Posted by N.M.S.B

PROVING THE EXISTENCE OF ALLAH (SWT)
TO AN ATHEIST
by Dr. Zakir Naik
CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST.....................Wall-O-Text

WTH...... I.... Don't...... EVEN!

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by N.M.S.B

Haha i dont have anything like that jst wanted to share the book called quran contains some things which r to hard to justify for a iliterate man to say 1400 years ago

Just because man didn't have an iPad 1,400 years ago doesn't mean they were not intelligent. The best philosophers were around setting up the framework for civilization when even ROME was a bunch of tribes.

A LOT of knowledge was lost when places like Alexandria was burned to the ground. Two major plagues didn't help either. To say the Bible or the Quran says things that are above mans understanding at the time is rather naive.

With that being said I do believe in G-d but lets not act as if a book written by man and his interpretation of the Lords will is something magical beyond reproach. Anyone with a strong faith in G-d doesn't need to justify their belief to non-believers.

Dunno why this is even in the science section. This is philosophy trying to disprove science which is ever evolving. Its like freezing snow.

Originally Posted by qubit

I'm an atheist and this rubbish proves nothing about god.

It does not deserve to be in the science and technology section, but should be moved to GN and forgotten about.

Another respectful atheist.

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by N.M.S.B

Haha i dont have anything like that jst wanted to share the book called quran contains some things which r to hard to justify for a iliterate man to say 1400 years ago

Give a monkey a typewriter and enough time he will reproduce the works of Shakespeare.

I am not saying that he is not smart at all (extremely charismatic leader with lots of good ideas), but his words is prone to misinterpretation and translation errors which no doubt would have altered the original meaning.

[NinkobEi]

You didn't prove anything. Just a bunch of quotes from a book that was written by the hand of man.

I can prove that wizards fly on broomsticks and vampires are at war with werewolves just as easily.

[Bo$$]

Originally Posted by N.M.S.B

Most of us have a question if there is a god who or what was he how is he does have parents or does he have children is he like the creation.A iliterate man 1400 years ago answers all this question so easily how can i or u jus tify this logically. Example-The Most Concise Definition of God
"Say: He is Allah,
The One and Only.
"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him."
[Al-Qur’an 112:1-4]

Don't quote books here. It's not really going to do anything,
We worship technology here, if god can give us better CPU's and More Ram we will be happy

[Widjaja]

This proves to me that even if there 'may' be a chance that God can be proven, I still do not have the attention span to read a wall of text.

[Sasqui]

Originally Posted by Bo$$

We worship technology here, if god can give us better CPU's and More Ram we will be happy

And yes, there is a lot of prayer and faith bumping a CPU from 4.8Ghz to 4.9Ghz or changing memory CAS from 10 to 9. AMEN

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by Sasqui

And yes, there is a lot of prayer and faith bumping a CPU from 4.8Ghz to 4.9Ghz or changing memory CAS from 10 to 9. AMEN

Up volts if you can't bump the CPU speed any higher. You don't need god to do that for you

[_JP_]

Originally Posted by N.M.S.B

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water.

Humans are carbon-based life forms.

Originally Posted by N.M.S.B

The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water.

Generalization. Which is wrong.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Hi guys, Allah here. I'm using this account because the user who owns it is closest to me.

I just wanted to say N.M.S.B is completely right. Follow is teachings and I will surely give you multiple underage virgins* to be with for eternity once your time comes.



*Personality may vary.

[_JP_]

Originally Posted by DanTheBanjoman

I will surely give you multiple underage virgins*

Originally Posted by DanTheBanjoman

*Personality may vary.

*And gender as well.

[qubit]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Another respectful atheist.

Obvious bullshit doesn't deserve respect.

[Sasqui]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Up volts if you can't bump the CPU speed any higher. You don't need god to do that for you

Faith and God are one

[_JP_]

Originally Posted by qubit

Obvious bullshit doesn't deserve respect.

What is obvious for you might not be to another million minds.
It deserves enough respect, to be analyzed and interpreted to those eager to be clarified of the amount of BS you see in it.

[JNUKZ]

I'll print it to read it later.

[Easy Rhino]

this is dumb. go back to reddit.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Originally Posted by JNUKZ

I'll print it to read it later.

Don't confuse the printer with the shredder, happens more often than you'd think.