AMD "Richland" Desktop APU Lineup Detailed

[reverze]

while trinity gpu parts are called 7xxx series, they are actually 6xxx technology meaning upping them to 8xxx will increase performance quite substantially while lowering power.

Meanwhile we get higher clocks on the cpu with the same power usage and more performance cause of the 2133 memory controller.

So that looks good to me.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by Steevo

They showed these running a full 1080P tablet gaming without issues. So the thing is, its going to dominate the market when you don't need a second GPU to play games on in a netbook, or tablets that are actually capable of all the cool shit we have been sold on, and even thinner and smaller PCs.

I am waiting to update my netbook specifically for these APU's to drop. I have been watching the rumor mill for a while on them (since the A10-6800K came up almost 6-8 months ago). Finally something worthwhile to upgrade both the CPU and GPU version on my ancient netbook along with a freaking 1366x768 or higher LCD...

[Eagleye]

Trinity had the capability of PCIE-3.0 but was never validated for time/cost/performance reasons It was said.

[Cortex]

IGP still slower than 7750, Hybrid CFX slower than 8750.

Impressive, AMD you have fastest IGP world has ever seen, too bad it's glued to slow power hungry Pile of <beep> processor.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by Cortex

IGP still slower than 7750, Hybrid CFX slower than 8750.

Impressive, AMD you have fastest IGP world has ever seen, too bad it's glued to slow power hungry Pile of <beep> processor.

Depends on your application. Do you use CAD? Metro2033? heavy 3D multi tasking? Because all of those applications it performs better than its competition. Don't believe the hype a lot of reviewers have admitted they were wrong recommending the 3570K over the 8350.

[jagd]

I LOLed ,i have an offer for you ,you can be 2nd coming of Jesus .You only need to have intel's marketing budget

Originally Posted by Konceptz

But when Intel does the same thing its the 2nd coming of Christ

[NeoXF]

I'm surprised no one is commenting on the supposed new chipsets as well... And why does AMD feel a need for them... I for one hope they bring better clocking for the CPU and RAM, it's gonna be a pity if most people couldn't even clock their RAM at Richland's default clocks. On the same note, why no new chipsets for AM3+...

Seeing as how faster iterations of L3-less Vishera CPUs (no arch improvements at all?) are possible so soon, I'd imagine FX series CPUs might get a refresh soon too...

[Frick]

Originally Posted by cdawall

Depends on your application. Do you use CAD? Metro2033? heavy 3D multi tasking? Because all of those applications it performs better than its competition. Don't believe the hype a lot of reviewers have admitted they were wrong recommending the 3570K over the 8350.

Who have done that? Would be an interesting read.

[ur6beersaway]

Was wondering what socket for richland (FM-3)? yawn

[Dent1]

Originally Posted by Cortex

IGP still slower than 7750, Hybrid CFX slower than 8750.

Impressive, AMD you have fastest IGP world has ever seen, too bad it's glued to slow power hungry Pile of <beep> processor.

You mean AMD has the fastest APU the world has ever seen

Originally Posted by NeoXF

Seeing as how faster iterations of L3-less Vishera CPUs (no arch improvements at all?) are possible so soon, I'd imagine FX series CPUs might get a refresh soon too...

I would love to see a small Piledriver tweak before moving to Steamroller.

[newtekie1]

I'd like to see some of these make their way into the 13.3" Ultrabook form factor laptops. I'm annoyed that the only Ultrabook out there currently that is even the slight bit capable of gaming is $1,300 and has to have a dedicated GT620M along with the iGPU which kills battery life.

[NeoXF]

Originally Posted by ur6beersaway

Was wondering what socket for richland (FM-3)? yawn

Ugh...

Originally Posted by newtekie1

I'd like to see some of these make their way into the 13.3" Ultrabook form factor laptops. I'm annoyed that the only Ultrabook out there currently that is even the slight bit capable of gaming is $1,300 and has to have a dedicated GT620M along with the iGPU which kills battery life.

AMD wrote in the fine-print of a press release that it's mobile quad-core 19W parts are capable of 1100 points in 3DMark11 Performance test. Models tested where (Trinity) A8-4555M with 780P points vs (Richland) A8-5545M with 1100P points, both 19W TDP.

[Aquinus]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Ultrabook form factor laptops

Doesn't Intel own the trademark of "Ultrabook" so don't they have a certain level of control over what devices can be called Ultrabooks?
I know what you're saying though, I would like to see APUs in a thinner form factor laptop.

[TRWOV]

Originally Posted by Aquinus

Doesn't Intel own the trademark of "Ultrabook" so don't they have a certain level of control over what devices can be called Ultrabooks?
I know what you're saying though, I would like to see APUs in a thinner form factor laptop.

AMD has Ultrathin(R) http://www.amd.com/us/products/noteb...ultrathin.aspx

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by Aquinus

Doesn't Intel own the trademark of "Ultrabook" so don't they have a certain level of control over what devices can be called Ultrabooks?
I know what you're saying though, I would like to see APUs in a thinner form factor laptop.

That is why I said "Ultrabook form factor". Intel owns the name, but there is nothing stopping manufacturers from putting AMD hardware in laptops that meet the same form factor. They just can't call them Ultrabooks.

[HumanSmoke]

Originally Posted by btarunr

Again, what's new with Richland:

• Higher CPU and GPU clock speeds
• Higher optimal memory speed (DDR3-2133 MHz)
• GPU gets GCN architecture

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Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Trinity wasn't GCN.

What's with all the GCN talk ? Afaia, Richland iGPU is a tweaked previous gen VLIW4

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

What's with all the GCN talk ? Afaia, Richland iGPU is a tweaked previous gen VLIW4

Nope, read the first post again, Richland has an actual upgraded GPU that uses GCN.

[HumanSmoke]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Nope, read the first post again

Cant I just use some common sense and AMD's own literature from CES earlier this month?
Pick the odd one out...You'd think that if Richland was GCN, AMD wouldn't have made the distinction between GCN and "2nd Generation DirectX11 GPU"

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Richland has an actual upgraded GPU that uses GCN.

You want to bet cash money on that ?

[NeoXF]

Whatever the case may be, I'm willing to bet they will bring a great bang for the buck and give a good squeeze to Intel's lower end parts untill Steamroller/Kaveri comes.


Also, can someone remind me, are AMD module-based CPUs able to clock only one cores from inside that module? I remember so...

[jagd]

Is this roadmap slide new or old ?

[Aquinus]

Originally Posted by NeoXF

Also, can someone remind me, are AMD module-based CPUs able to clock only one cores from inside that module? I remember so...

That would defeat the purpose of having a module...

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

Pick the odd one out...You'd think that if Richland was GCN, AMD wouldn't have made the distinction between GCN and "2nd Generation DirectX11 GPU"

Well considering Trinity is blank and everything else in the same time frame is saying "DX11 Capable GPU" not "2nd gen DX11 GPU," so it does imply that Richland might be getting something different. It might not be GCN, but it doesn't seem to be VLIW5 either.

[HumanSmoke]

Originally Posted by jagd

Is this roadmap slide new or old ?

If you’d care to read my post I think it will answer your question:

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

Cant I just use some common sense and AMD's own literature from CES earlier this month?

CES was held in Las Vegas three weeks ago (8-11 January)- although I do take your point. Being three weeks old probably means that AMD have a new roadmap/ powerpoint slide presentation in place by now.

Originally Posted by Aquinus

Well considering Trinity is blank and everything else in the same time frame is saying "DX11 Capable GPU" not "2nd gen DX11 GPU," so it does imply that Richland might be getting something different. It might not be GCN, but it doesn't seem to be VLIW5 either.

I don’t remember saying that Richland is VLIW5…maybe because I didn’t. If you’d have actually read my post (#41) it says:

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

What's with all the GCN talk ? Afaia, Richland iGPU is a tweaked previous gen VLIW4

1st gen DX11 GPU = VLIW5 = Cypress et al
2nd gen DX11 GPU= VLIW4 = Cayman et al

[Aquinus]

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

I don’t remember saying that Richland is VLIW5…maybe because I didn’t. If you’d have actually read my post (#41) it says:

Wow, maybe it's because I was reading what the image you posted was saying and not what you wrote. No need to get defensive about it. If DX11 gen 1 is VLIW4 then it would be a good guess that gen 2 is VLIW5. You don't need to say it for it to make sense... Get off your high horse and calm down. You've obviously getting way more worked up about this than anyone should. This thread will still be here after you take a couple deep breaths.

I also take "road maps" with a grain of salt. We really won't know until there are verified engineering samples of the CPU.

All in all, it might be GCN then again it might not. We don't know.

Let's wait and see!
I can think of a number of things to do between now and then.

[xorbe]

Originally Posted by Aquinus

If DX11 gen 1 is VLIW4 then it would be a good guess that gen 2 is VLIW5.

Quoted for fail ... and it's old, old information.
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=vliw5+vs+vliw4

[Aquinus]

Originally Posted by xorbe

Quoted for fail ... and it's old, old information.
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=vliw5+vs+vliw4

The only thing that is fail here is the results of that google search. I was talking about the image, not the instruction set itself. I'm not quite sure what you're trying to get at here. So instead of saying that what I said is "fail" lets start by saying why, otherwise you're just trolling.