Peoples thoughts on new build

[tokyoduong]

Originally Posted by Aquinus

Memory is one of the cheapest components in a rig. While a lot of people can't justify 8Gb DIMMs, there are plenty of people who can because they run VMs, do graphics, cad, or some other memory intensive application. Not everyone plays games with their computer. I know that I don't.


RAM is one of the last things I would consider if I was building a machine for the "E-Peen" factor tbh.




Please stop double posting, please. Memory is still cheap even if it wasn't cheaper than it used to be.

Originally Posted by lordjohn

I use the 48gb for machine learning, while my gaming system has only 16gb

You guys are just proving my point. I have already said that unless you do heavy workstation stuff like CAD, Adobe premiere video editing, etc... then go past 16 GB. For everyone else that's just building a comp for general use and entertainment/gaming like this thread is about then don't waste money on adding more RAM than 16GB. $100 can get you another HD or SSD.
RAM may be cheap yes but I don't think spending an extra $100 for small marginal benefits to my comp going from 16 GB to 32GB. Hell, i don't think I will even notice anything benefits. All I do is spreadsheets for accounting work and much of it is through a web browser. Word processing, excel, gaming, etc...

[Dent1]

Originally Posted by tokyoduong

You guys are just proving my point. I have already said that unless you do heavy workstation stuff like CAD, Adobe premiere video editing, etc... then go past 16 GB. For everyone else that's just building a comp for general use and

entertainment/gaming like this thread is about then don't waste money on adding more RAM than 16GB. $100 can get you another HD or SSD.
RAM may be cheap yes but I don't think spending an extra $100

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$100????? where did you get that from. Only $49 USD extra is required to buy an additional 8GB kit, making 16GB total.

Also, BF3 is already exceeding 4GB, touching 6GB in some cases depending on resolution and settings. My conservative estimate is that in the next 2-3 years we would see a few games utilising upto 8GB too. I'm not saying 16GB is needed but $49 extra from a $1300 budget for peace of mind is worth it IMO.

[lordjohn]

Originally Posted by Dent1

$100????? where did you get that from. Only $49 USD extra is required to buy an additional 8GB kit, making 16GB total.

Also, BF3 is already exceeding 4GB, touching 6GB in some cases depending on resolution and settings. My conservative estimate is that in the next 2-3 years we would see a few games utilising upto 8GB too. I'm not saying 16GB is needed but $49 extra from a $1300 budget for peace of mind is worth it IMO.

I think he mean 100usd for 2x8gb, a 8gb paired box(16gb a box).

[Aquinus]

Originally Posted by lordjohn

I think he mean 100usd for 2x8gb, a 8gb paired box(16gb a box).

You can still get 2x8Gb for 80-75 USD if you look for it. It's by far the cheapest thing you'll be buying for the machine so you might as well get something half decent.

[tokyoduong]

Originally Posted by Aquinus

You can still get 2x8Gb for 80-75 USD if you look for it. It's by far the cheapest thing you'll be buying for the machine so you might as well get something half decent.

the cheapest thing i bought was $15 for an asus dvd drive

You rarely see $75-80 for a quality set of 16GB ram ddr3 kit unless it around holiday season.

But hey, look what you can upgrade with the additional 16GB that yields almost none to no benefits in gaming and regular use. This thread is not about a workstation so put your epeen away. We know you have a uber system with fantastic amounts of RAM. It's cool

Even at $75, that's a big step up in GPU upgrade like from 7870 to 7950 or 660ti

You can buy a decent SSD to use as cache.

You can buy the 500GB version of the latest velociraptor since it has a sale like that every couple months on newegg or tiger direct.

You can get a 2nd 22" monitor that seems to be on sale for 80-100 every month at microcenter(acer, asus)

There's plenty more things you can do with $80 that can improve your computing experience but adding another 16GB of RAM won't. You're just defending your system when it's not about yours.

Nuff said, I've stated facts and you've put up nothing but emotions.

[Aquinus]

Originally Posted by tokyoduong

Even at $75, that's a big step up in GPU upgrade like from 7870 to 7950 or 660ti

You can buy a decent SSD to use as cache.

You can buy the 500GB version of the latest velociraptor since it has a sale like that every couple months on newegg or tiger direct.

You can get a 2nd 22" monitor that seems to be on sale for 80-100 every month at microcenter(acer, asus)

There's plenty more things you can do with $80 that can improve your computing experience but adding another 16GB of RAM won't. You're just defending your system when it's not about yours.

A faster video card will be useless if you're playing on a 1080p display, so your still planning ahead like you would with memory.

A decent SSD will cost you more than 75 USD, and a second display is only worth it if you have a use for a second display. If you're gaming it's more often than not won't be used.

Also were talking 85 USD TOTAL. Subtract that you're already spending on memory from that, so that's what? 40 USD, maybe 45? I would like to see you do any of those upgrades for 40 USD.

Stop being a tool and realize that more memory now is not a bad thing nor does it cost much more anyways.

I also said nothing about my own rig, so don't go making this a "my rig, your rig" war because all I'm saying is that more memory doesn't cost a lot and doesn't hurt.

Also stop with the fricken e-peen bull. This isn't the place for name calling and finger pointing just because someone has a view that is different from your own.

Originally Posted by tokyoduong

the cheapest thing i bought was $15 for an asus dvd drive

Half of my towers have no optical drive since thumb drives work just as well. You know how much that costs? $0.

[tokyoduong]

how could a faster video card be useless compared to jumping from 16GB to 32GB RAM. Anyone else here can attest to that. Stop trolling

I said a decent SSD for cache. That means a 60GB or even 32GB can be had for $60-80 easily without any extreme sales.

Stop changing the dollar amount. I said jumping from 16 to 32GB will cost roughly $100 which is correct any way you slice it. Where did you go to find $45 16GB DDR3? While it offers almost everyone including the original poster roughly <1% performance increase as he does not do anything that requires that much RAM.

More memory never hurts but more money for little performance gain will hurt your wallet. It's an economic decision.

Great! good for you, half your towers have no optical drives while almost all towers out there have optical drives right now. See the difference? people may not use it as much but they still pop in a dvd/blueray now and then. Go to the 10 closest electronics store and tell me if computers no longer comes with optical drives, it's only starting to ditch it in ultra books and those are not towers.

It is you who can't accept a subjective view point of bang-for-buck. Please go back to your 10s of towers and play with usb sticks while the rest of us are happy with just one tower for both work and home use. Last time i checked, usb sticks costs money so i don't know where you get the idea it's free. USB ports are not free either. Nothing is free.

I'm done here, please take your emotions somewhere else and post something useful that this guy can do with his system. UPGRADING FROM 16 TO 32GB RAM IS NOT IT! you can have a poll for it and if you win then i'll call you daddy

[topshot27]

Can someone please help me which computer to choose from the 3.

1. Is a fully custom computer:
Computer Case AeroCool Strike-X Black GT Gaming Case
CPU Intel i5 3330 - (4 x 3.0 GHZ) - Ivy Bridge
CPU Heatsink Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 - Low Noise
Memory 16 GB 1333 MHZ (4x4GB) - (DDR3)
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 - 2 GB - (ZOTAC) - (PCI-E) (FREE ASSASSINS CREED III)
Motherboard Asus P8Z77-M (Intel Z77) - VGA/DVI
Sound Card Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1 (PCI)
Networking Motherboard Integrated Ethernet Lan (Broadband Ready)
Power Supply Cooler Master GX Lite 600W PSU - Low Noise
CPU Compound Standard CPU Compound Supplied With Heatsink
Case Fans Cooler Master Blue LED Quiet Case Fan 120mm
Hard Drive #1 2 TB Seagate (2000 GB) SATA-III HDD 7200 RPM 64MB
Optical Drive #1 4x Blu-Ray Reader & 8x DVD-ROM - Black (SATA)
Floppy Drive Floppy Disk Drive 1.44 MB - (USB)

2. Is the Alienware laptop which I have customised:
Windows 8 64bit, English
Intel® Core™ i5 3210M (3MB Cache, up to 3.1GHz with Turbo Boost 2.0)
2GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 650M
8192MB (2x4GB) 1600MHz DDR3 Dual Channel
750GB 7,200rpm SATA 3Gb/s HDD
14.1" WideHD+ (1600x900) WLED with TrueLife

3. Is again a Alienware but it is a desktop:
Windows 8 64bit, English
Intel® Core™ i5-3330 (6M Cache, up to 3.2GHz)
1GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 640
8192MB (2x4GB) 1600MHz DDR3 Dual Channel Memory
1TB Serial ATA (7,200 rpm)
DVD+/-RW (Read/Write)
Internal High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio

[Aquinus]

Originally Posted by tokyoduong

I'm done here, please take your emotions somewhere else and post something useful that this guy can do with his system. UPGRADING FROM 16 TO 32GB RAM IS NOT IT!

You're the one using caps. I'd say your the one getting emotional. We're also talking about the difference between 8Gb and 16Gb not 32Gb. I was saying 45-50 USD more than what you would be paying already for memory. It's not a loss if your consider the difference and the extra cost you will pay if you upgrade later down the road. This isn't a matter of performance, it's a matter of longevity. 16Gb will last you a lot longer than 8Gb will.

So compare it to a car in a basic scenario. So do you put regular oil in your car because it's cheaper or do you put synthetic in because you want your engine to last? It's not like synthetic will make the car run any faster, but since you use it all the time I would hope you would want it to last.

[topshot27]

On the first build I dont know if all the parts are compatible.

[Dent1]

Originally Posted by Aquinus

You're the one using caps. I'd say your the one getting emotional. We're also talking about the difference between 8Gb and 16Gb not 32Gb. I was saying 45-50 USD more than what you would be paying already for memory. It's not a loss if your consider the difference and the extra cost you will pay if you upgrade later down the road. This isn't a matter of performance, it's a matter of longevity. 16Gb will last you a lot longer than 8Gb will.

So compare it to a car in a basic scenario. So do you put regular oil in your car because it's cheaper or do you put synthetic in because you want your engine to last? It's not like synthetic will make the car run any faster, but since you use it all the time I would hope you would want it to last.

This is what I was trying to say, but in the end I gave up because it was like talking to concrete.

Originally Posted by topshot27

On the first build I dont know if all the parts are compatible.

Start your own thread like everyone else!

[Aquinus]

Originally Posted by Dent1

This is what I was trying to say, but in the end I gave up because it was like talking to concrete.

I think I broke through the concrete.

Originally Posted by Dent1

Start your own thread like everyone else!

+1: We don't need to go confusing builds. Best to keep the topics separate.

[lordjohn]

Originally Posted by Aquinus

I think I broke through the concrete.

+1: We don't need to go confusing builds. Best to keep the topics separate.

I agree with u.
just one thing, the only thing that can go up and down in price of a PC parts are rams and ram related(SSDs). Other parts is less often regain price but just drop slowly. See what is the ram price now compare to Sep 2012.