How many of you went back to Windows 7 ?

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by BigMack70

It's about a lot more fundamental boneheaded design decisions than it is just the decision to change the start menu. In every way, Windows 8 just screams "M$ can't decide if I should be for desktops or for tablets". It's the most schizophrenically designed OS ever made.

While I don't agree with everything in this video (and I have some gripes this video doesn't mention), I think it's a generally on the mark critique of Windows 8:

Windows 8: The Animated Evaluation - YouTube

It is just a clever mix between the two. In no way does the esque of the tablet ever intervene with the PC. The mouse does just as well as what the finger does. The two don't clash in any real way.

Right off the bat he says Windows 8 is unusable. This is obviously false because plenty of people are using Windows 8 just fine and I assure it does not take a genius to use windows 8. In fact if you watched the short clips it plays when you first run Windows 8 you'll probably have figured out all the unique features that separate windows 8 from it previous generations from the get go. Windows 8 is unusable if you lack certain basic reasoning skills or are just to stubborn to learn them. "Oh snap no start button? I"m boned..."...

The UI is the same as all the other windows OS. I'm staring at a desktop like you are with shortcuts and applications that appear at the taskbar with a clock on the bottom right. If I want to shut down I use the top right corner and a menu pops out for me to do so. If I want the start menu its on the bottom left or I just hit the Windows key. These difference are so minuscule that the only thing separating a person who knows how to use them from a person that doesn't is stubbornness or an IQ difference of about 70. I remember watching that video back when I hadn't tried Windows 8 yet and my only perspective of it was from the reviews I read. I knew then that this guy was clearly exaggerating and couldn't bother to watch him rant 20 minutes about how terrible windows 8 is and I can't be bothered to now as I type this on Windows 8.

Your only real issue with Windows 8 is drivers but that typically goes for any new OS.

[rickss69]

May or may not matter to some...I found that some Futuremark benchmarks would not run properly or even begin using Win 8.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by rickss69

May or may not matter to some...I found that some Futuremark benchmarks would not run properly or even begin using Win 8.

Did you try running them in compatibility mode? I know 2013 runs just fine as is on win 8 for me.

[Frick]

Originally Posted by BigMack70

Haha well it was hyperbole, though I honestly don't think I could use Windows 8 permanently even if I were offered $1000... I just couldn't get any work done on that OS and within 10 minutes of using it I was on a rant in my head about how someone at M$ should have lost their job over this-or-that boneheaded design decision.

It's my least favorite desktop OS I've ever used, by a large margin (that honor used to belong to some of the older versions of OS X that were pretty bad IMO)...

It honestly sounds like its the "new" part you dont like.

[rickss69]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

Did you try running them in compatibility mode? I know 2013 runs just fine as is on win 8 for me.

I found this out on a new MSI laptop with Win 8. Can't recall which benchmarks were affected, but I never had to mess with compatibility with any other version. Just one more reason I will steer clear for the time being.

[Frick]

Originally Posted by BarbaricSoul

Who said anything about I can't upgrade? If I so desired, I could have 8 on all my computers. I simply do not like the way 8 looks, and I like having my start menu and use it quite frequently. It has been suggested to me to upgrade to 8 and use mods to get a start menu. Why would I go though all that hassle when I'm happy with the way 7 looks, works, and performs.

BTW, apparently I'm not the only here that doesn't like 8.

You said this:

Oh, and I refuse to upgrade to a OS that I have to modify to look like the OS I'm currently using, for neglible benefits. I'll be using Windows7 as long as it is properly supported.

Which means you can't upgrade because it doesn't look like what you are using now. So you would not have been able to go from a CLI to a GUI because the GUI doesn't look like the CLI. I know you didn't mean that, but the idea is stupid.

Originally Posted by rickss69

I found this out on a new MSI laptop with Win 8. Can't recall which benchmarks were affected, but I never had to mess with compatibility with any other version. Just one more reason I will steer clear for the time being.

Which benchmarks? And compatibility settings isn't "messing" with anything. It's a couple of clicks. Fun, related story:

A friend writes games in C++ in his spare time. He bought some software for this in 1996 I think it was, which he still uses. About a year ago he bought a laptop with Windows 7 and bitched about how he had to run the program from 1996 in compatibility mode and as an admin for it to work. I argued he was being retarded.

[rickss69]

Originally Posted by Frick

Which benchmarks? And compatibility settings isn't "messing" with anything. It's a couple of clicks. Fun, related story:

A friend writes games in C++ in his spare time. He bought some software for this in 1996 I think it was, which he still uses. About a year ago he bought a laptop with Windows 7 and bitched about how he had to run the program from 1996 in compatibility mode and as an admin for it to work. I argued he was being retarded.

I already stated that I didnt recall which benchmarks. Introducing extra steps just to run a benchmark in Win 8 that runs just fine in Win 7 I consider "messing" with it. The only benchmark that will not run properly in Win7 is Aquamark...it will run, but not up to snuff compared to XP. Btw, use Nvidia 313.96 driver for valid results in your 3DMark 2013 tests.

[silkstone]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

But they didn't really remove it? They moved it and made it bigger. Instead of the button taking space on the bottom its hidden in the corner. Once you know its there its there and isn't going anywhere. Then instead of having menus pop out to the side you get a whole screen detected to the Start. Once your done you pop your mouse back to the corner and your on your desktop or you can just hit the desktop. I can understand the frustration from the start (I had it too) but once you learn those basics I can't see how it can still be frustrating.

The home screen is a pain to get around. Rather than having a small unobtrusive menu, you have something that takes up the whole screen and takes longer to navigate. I rarely sit at my keyboard and so typing the name of a program i want to use, rather than just navigating the start menu, is inconvenient. Having 1 or 2 click access to certain programs and features is invaluable.

[H82LUZ73]

Originally Posted by rickss69

I found this out on a new MSI laptop with Win 8. Can't recall which benchmarks were affected, but I never had to mess with compatibility with any other version. Just one more reason I will steer clear for the time being.

You try updating the SystemInfo.exe from Future mark??? I have 3 3DMarks (Vantage to the 2013)running fine under 8 .

http://www.3dmark.com/support/systeminfo-updates/

Right now like most of the 8 users,I still have 7 on the other drive and the laptop and 1 desktop,I find myself looking for stuff that i would do in Win8 on them.See most guys h8te it fine but don`t come here in July when Win8 gets updated to SP1 and you 7 users don`t.Microsoft is a business they make profits,They are not going to go back the UI of old have to make 5 versions to suit certain crowds.With 8 it is one os design across multi platforms.Windows 9 will be the same thing in 2 years,I figure if you learn it now then we won`t have this problem later.

OH wait I will get accused of being a Microsoft lover of Win8 and all that.... like some of you did 3 months ago....At least i learned something new.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by silkstone

The home screen is a pain to get around. Rather than having a small unobtrusive menu, you have something that takes up the whole screen and takes longer to navigate. I rarely sit at my keyboard and so typing the name of a program i want to use, rather than just navigating the start menu, is inconvenient. Having 1 or 2 click access to certain programs and features is invaluable.

If you aren't near a keyboard then you are probably far away from the desK? In which case its easier to see the menu when it takes up the whole screen and you can still use the mouse to scroll through it and click on what you need. If something isn't there that you use frequently, pin it so that it will be there. All your problems are solved...

Also forgot to add. When you right click there is an "All Apps" option that will show you all your programs and such right there on the start menu. So you really don't need a keyboard to use it. It is just added for convince.

[Drone]

Never

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by Drone

Never

Never what?

[silkstone]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

If you aren't near a keyboard then you are probably far away from the desK? In which case its easier to see the menu when it takes up the whole screen and you can still use the mouse to scroll through it and click on what you need. If something isn't there that you use frequently, pin it so that it will be there. All your problems are solved...

Also forgot to add. When you right click there is an "All Apps" option that will show you all your programs and such right there on the start menu. So you really don't need a keyboard to use it. It is just added for convince.

I might get used to it. It just seems gimmicky and is inconvenient at the moment. I'm not far enough away from the screen not to be able to see the icons, i just have a reclining chair and lie back with my feet up when watching videos or just casually browsing. Trying to find the control panel from the new start screen was near impossible for me without using the keyboard

[qubit]

Yeah, I never left Windows 7. I knew all I had to from trying out the preview versions. Still, I got mine for £25 as it was a bit of a steal, even with the Metro handicap.

I installed and activated it on a spare HDD, along with the free Media Center upgrade before the Jan 31 deadline, had a little play and then forgot about it.

Take away the Metro interface and the desktop basically feels and functions almost exactly like Windows 7 without the lovely Aero effects. This is progress. Apparently.

About the only good thing it's got going for it is a fast bootup and overall snappiness in the desktop. Wow.

[BrooksyX]

I have a couple of legit win8 pro keys but honestly I have no reason to upgrade from windows 7. The UI isnt horrible to fix but why jump through all those hoops.

Am I really going to see any performance improvement on my 4.75ghz quad core, 16gb ram, Raid 0 Sata III drive computer? Probably not..

Not a big deal anyways as I only run windows on my main rig where I play games. I run ubuntu on all my other rigs.

[Drone]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

Never what?

I'll never go back from 8 to 7

[qubit]

Originally Posted by Drone

I'll never go back from 8 to 7

Heathen!

[Drone]

Originally Posted by qubit

Heathen!

I don't like thrash metal

[Raw]

I forgot to add a Poll to this until half way through it.

Sorry guys but I thought it would make it easier to see where WIn 7 and 8 stood in comparison to each other.

If you already commented please vote.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by Drone

I'll never go back from 8 to 7

Just when I was about to prove my point that people are stubbornly refusing to go to Win 8 you show me the reverse lol.

I too won't be going back to 7 and only slightly bothered with using 7 on campus.

[rickss69]

Another perspective...I'm sixty now and expect Win 7 will serve me fine until I reach seventy, if I am so lucky. After that why should I give a big red rodent's rectum? I finally beat 'em boys!

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by rickss69

Another perspective...I'm sixty now and expect Win 7 will serve me fine until I reach seventy, if I am so lucky. After that why should I give a big red rodent's rectum? I finally beat 'em boys!

If saving money/cost is an issue that's a whole different issue.

I got Win 8 for free (just like I did 7) legally of course through dreamspark. I just find it absurd those who get access to Windows 8 through a new laptop or gift,etc... who go back to 7 because windows 8 is this or that... It seriously isn't that big of a difference and if its the latter stubbornness is the only thing preventing the switch. Like someone not liking OS red because they like OS blue when they function more or less the same (which I've already detailed through previous posts in this thread). Its not like I'm a PR or Microsoft representative, it's just stubborn people that say the darnist things that really tick me [not that that is you ] Also of course laziness. I didn't switch to Win 8 till I felt like backing all my stuff up (which I knew I should do anyway). I was also afraid of driver issues but pretty much all the Win 7 drivers worked on Win 8 assuming they hadn't had an update for it. I also respect personal choice but stubbornness is a terrible excuse.

[BigMack70]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

Like someone not liking OS red because they like OS blue when they function more or less the same (which I've already detailed through previous posts in this thread)... Also of course laziness... I also respect personal choice but stubbornness is a terrible excuse.

They don't function the same. You have to work a decent amount to get Windows 8 back up to Windows 7 levels of productivity and ease of use. It never surpasses it.

I understand that some people like it - and to each his own - but this idea that the only reason people dislike it is because it's "new" or because it "changed the start menu" or because they're "lazy" or "stubborn" is absolute nonsense. There are very good reasons to dislike the OS for desktop use.

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by BigMack70

There are very good reasons to dislike the OS for desktop use.

I've yet to hear one good one.

[BigMack70]

Originally Posted by AphexDreamer

I've yet to hear one good one.

No, what you haven't heard is a reason why YOU should dislike the OS (there's a big difference), and so you resort to what basically amounts to name calling because you like it and don't listen when others explain the reasons they don't.