XBox 720 will ban you for playing used games. - Page 2

3870x2 · Feb 6, 2013, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Steam is a greedy DRM now too?

Buying AAA titles for $5 is far from greedy.

TRWOV · Feb 6, 2013, 10:56 PM

lol at the Chapulin Colorado picture

First, the XBox 720 will not ban you for playing used games. The article just says that games are going to be tied to your Live account.

Second, I don't think that what the article says is true. The logistics for such a move would be a nightmare as each disc would need to have a different serial burned on it. How do you deal with that in a mass production scheme?

I see them using activation codes for online features, a la EA, but entire games? If they really go ahead with that I think we can say goodbye to MS on the console front. Halo 5 wouldn't be enough.

KainXS · Feb 7, 2013, 01:36 AM

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/...ine-connection

the rumors are rumors but if they become true . . . . . . not buyin it . . . . . . .

DannibusX · Feb 7, 2013, 04:21 AM

Sweet, I already got that with my Steam account. I'll just save the money and play games on my PC.

Rumors are rumors and we won't know until the console launches, but if this is actually in the plans then Microsoft lost a sale to me. Not that they care, mind you, but I like to trade in my used games for a discount on brand new ones, or trade back and forth with my friends on games we don't necessarily want to shell out $60 for. Doesn't Microsoft realize the $60 is nearly a full days wages for a lot of people?

I can buy most AAA non-exclusive games on my PC, save money from the XBL subscription and hook it up to my TV with an Xbox 360 controller no problem whatsoever.

D007 · Feb 7, 2013, 04:50 AM

There was a ruling recently if I am not mistaken which stated "All things bought and paid for by consumers are considered property of the new owner and are totally legal to sell"
Aka (the first-sale doctrine. )

http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=47932

Apple is having this battle and is loosing last I heard.
You can't take ownership away from people.
They buy it, they own it.
As long as they don't violate laws regulating it, that make it somehow illegal.

Jetster · Feb 7, 2013, 05:07 AM

http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-72...ection-6403498

syeef · Feb 7, 2013, 05:39 AM

What about EU? and their new law? that you may re-sell your digital contents.

AphexDreamer · Feb 7, 2013, 05:54 AM

Wouldn't it be great if like no one bought a console and everyone just used the money to make a decent gaming PC. Then maybe we'd get console exclusive games on the PC. Plus all my friends would own the same platform copy of that next great MP game and I wouldn't have to fork out double.

A man can dream.

1ceTr0n · Feb 7, 2013, 07:07 AM

^^^ ROFL. Insaneful wishful thinking there bud

yogurt_21 · Feb 7, 2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

No more renting a game, no more borrowing your buddies copy of Joe Montana Sports Talk Football. Man it would suck for the console world. However nothing will change for the PC world.....don't care.

Oh and the WiiU doesn't do this. Nintendo may dominate once again! ALL HAIL NINTENDO!

didn't even think about renting, gamefly and similar services would be in trouble.

brandonwh64 · Feb 7, 2013, 01:57 PM

I really do miss the days were you swapped NES,SNES,N64 cartridges with your buddies and you first words were "DO NOT ERASE MY SAVE!!!"

RCoon · Feb 7, 2013, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by brandonwh64

I really do miss the days were you swapped NES,SNES,N64 cartridges with your buddies and you first words were "DO NOT ERASE MY SAVE!!!"

My brother used to play on my gameboy colour on pokemon or TMNT, and always ALWAYS overwrite my save. I dont like spamming ultraballs to catch something for no discernible reason. It was just too much to ask for 2 save slots.

xenocide · Feb 7, 2013, 02:12 PM

This will more than likely never happen. It's one thing for a service like Battle.net to disallow you from trading a game, it would be a completely different thing if Windows physically prevented you from playing a game. If Microsoft did this they would be losing out on a ton of potential customers, the budget gamers that buy the system and pick up new games and sell them back to Gamestop to trade in for older ones a few days or weeks later after they beat them.

TheMailMan78 · Feb 7, 2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RCoon

My brother used to play on my gameboy colour on pokemon or TMNT, and always ALWAYS overwrite my save. I dont like spamming ultraballs to catch something for no discernible reason. It was just too much to ask for 2 save slots.

I had that happen on Phantasy Star III. I was on the third generation and my buddy saved right over it like an idiot.....I got him back however. I saved over his 13 hours into Final Fantasy III file. I thought his head was gonna explode.

RCoon · Feb 7, 2013, 02:42 PM

I dont see the problem with this at all. Most PC gamers have DRM like origin and steam, none of us sell our games, and we rarely complain about it. 95% of my games are on Steam, 4% on Origina, and 1% on disk which I make images of, crack, then add-non steam game to library for ease. Play offline is fine, you just dont get to play with other people, and I think most people who buy games to play them online (CoD BF etc) will probably not sell the game anyway. PC is the same, you wanna play online? Better have it on DRM or a serial key. Sure you can use hamachi and tunngle, but thats a massive minority. Dont see why people on consoles will complain about this change. If a game is good enough, then they will commit to buying it and keeping it forever. I wouldnt try and sell any of my games on steam.

except flora's fruit farm, that unfortunately came in some pack without me noticing, but my nieces love that, whatever it is...

BiggieShady · Feb 7, 2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xenocide

This will more than likely never happen. It's one thing for a service like Battle.net to disallow you from trading a game, it would be a completely different thing if Windows physically prevented you from playing a game. If Microsoft did this they would be losing out on a ton of potential customers, the budget gamers that buy the system and pick up new games and sell them back to Gamestop to trade in for older ones a few days or weeks later after they beat them.

In order to sell it, owner would need to revoke his/her license from account it is tied with. This makes renting a hassle, because of constant activate/revoke cycle ... If it goes like this, I'm pretty sure they will limit the activation count for a single game key.

3870x2 · Feb 7, 2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TRWOV

Second, I don't think that what the article says is true. The logistics for such a move would be a nightmare as each disc would need to have a different serial burned on it. How do you deal with that in a mass production scheme?

You have no idea how easy that is to do. In fact, I believe it has already been done.

The Xbox games could come with CD keys, similar to steam.

yogurt_21 · Feb 7, 2013, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 3870x2

You have no idea how easy that is to do. In fact, I believe it has already been done.

The Xbox games could come with CD keys, similar to steam.

25-50 character alpha-numeric on an xbox controller...awesome.

xenocide · Feb 7, 2013, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by yogurt_21

25-50 character alpha-numeric on an xbox controller...awesome.

I'd rather get AIDS than go through that...

lilhasselhoffer · Feb 7, 2013, 04:04 PM

1) Rumors. SOny has had patents on this crap from well before the PS3 came out, but they never utilized them because consumers would lash back.
2) Gamestop stock took a hit when investors finally realized what this means for the future of the gaming second hand market. They will not hold back in defending themselves.
3) You buy computer games. They get patches, DLC, and have to be installed. You can use a computer to browse the internet, and get actual work done. Once consoles incorporate PC DRM, they are killing themselves. They already require painful load times, lower level DRM, and only perform one task. The only benefit will be the cost of a console versus that of a PC.
4) Valve boned the Nintendo x Sony x MS relationship with Steam. Once cheap games, with the DRM that publishers want, became available 24-7-365 over the internet consoles were rather outmoded. Combine this with Valve's aggressive pricing, and the fact that consoles attempts at online entry have been poor at best, and you've got a disaster for console companies.

5) Even if the other four points are disregarded, what is the motivation for MS? They license out game development, so killing used games will hurt their bottom line. No used games will translate to poorer sales, because people will never buy at full price. A $60 game is reasonable if you can resell it for $20 after playing, but not if it's worth nothing. None of this even scratches the lending of games, and need for online authentication. ME tried for 100% online, Assasin's Creed tried it, Anno 20 (I can't even care about the title to look it up) tried it. They all either changed scope, or sales figures sucked due to this practice.

Bring on the next console wars. I'm looking forward to PC versus Nintendo, because Valve looks like a champion compared to the twice baked turd of DRM heavy consoles.

ThE_MaD_ShOt · Feb 7, 2013, 04:08 PM

I for some reason don't see this happening due to the fact of the game rental companies.

jagd · Feb 7, 2013, 05:18 PM

I see biggest problem is pricing with this aproach ,steam do great discounts 3 times in ayear and daily/weekend deals etc , you can get a PC game relatively cheap vs console games after sometime .This is a trade off for steam system cheap - unsaleable games with steam DRM
Console users will be paying high price and getting worse DRM just to feed microsoft's greed
Game publishers already talking price rise for next gen console games .
Disclamer im not a console gamer ,im a pc guy

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Originally Posted by RCoon

I dont see the problem with this at all. Most PC gamers have DRM like origin and steam, none of us sell our games, and we rarely complain about it. .

1ceTr0n · Feb 8, 2013, 08:45 PM

Its a simple fact that it comes down to greed. Once a game has been sold as new, the publisher/developer made their money off that sale, period. Beyond that, they are just mad because another consumer will purchase the same game later on once its been turned in as used for a lower price and they see none of the profit vs if the person bought it new.

My response? Too farking bad. Welcome to a captialist economy.

Delta6326 · Feb 8, 2013, 09:00 PM

...So Xbox Live will essentially be Steam, but for console only. I don't see anything wrong with this, You can already buy full games on Live.

1ceTr0n · Feb 8, 2013, 09:06 PM

Because one of consoles main selling points and safe haven's for gamers on a tight budget was NOT having to deal with this crap, me included.

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Feb 7, 2013, 02:42 PM	#40
RCoon Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Grantham, Lincolnshire, UK Posts: 1,201 (3.04/day) Thanks: 106 Thanked 407 Times in 292 Posts System Specs	I dont see the problem with this at all. Most PC gamers have DRM like origin and steam, none of us sell our games, and we rarely complain about it. 95% of my games are on Steam, 4% on Origina, and 1% on disk which I make images of, crack, then add-non steam game to library for ease. Play offline is fine, you just dont get to play with other people, and I think most people who buy games to play them online (CoD BF etc) will probably not sell the game anyway. PC is the same, you wanna play online? Better have it on DRM or a serial key. Sure you can use hamachi and tunngle, but thats a massive minority. Dont see why people on consoles will complain about this change. If a game is good enough, then they will commit to buying it and keeping it forever. I wouldnt try and sell any of my games on steam. except flora's fruit farm, that unfortunately came in some pack without me noticing, but my nieces love that, whatever it is... __________________ "So many times I wanted to move about (make poop but can't leave the game because it's online)" - Underworld

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Motherboard:	Gigabyte GA-Z77MX-D3H
Cooling:	Scythe Katana 4
Memory:	2 x 4 GB G-Skill Sniper DDR3 @ 1600 MHz
Video Card:	Gainward Phantom NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti
Hard Disk:	Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB, Seagate Baracuda 250 GB
Optical Drive:	Asus DVD Writer
CRT/LCD Model:	Samsung SyncMaster P2350
Case:	CoolerMaster Silencio 550
Sound Card:	VIA HD Audio
PSU:	Corsair TX v2 650W
Software:	MS Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit SP1

Feb 7, 2013, 04:04 PM	#45
lilhasselhoffer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 1,152 (1.48/day) Thanks: 107 Thanked 655 Times in 381 Posts System Specs	1) Rumors. SOny has had patents on this crap from well before the PS3 came out, but they never utilized them because consumers would lash back. 2) Gamestop stock took a hit when investors finally realized what this means for the future of the gaming second hand market. They will not hold back in defending themselves. 3) You buy computer games. They get patches, DLC, and have to be installed. You can use a computer to browse the internet, and get actual work done. Once consoles incorporate PC DRM, they are killing themselves. They already require painful load times, lower level DRM, and only perform one task. The only benefit will be the cost of a console versus that of a PC. 4) Valve boned the Nintendo x Sony x MS relationship with Steam. Once cheap games, with the DRM that publishers want, became available 24-7-365 over the internet consoles were rather outmoded. Combine this with Valve's aggressive pricing, and the fact that consoles attempts at online entry have been poor at best, and you've got a disaster for console companies. 5) Even if the other four points are disregarded, what is the motivation for MS? They license out game development, so killing used games will hurt their bottom line. No used games will translate to poorer sales, because people will never buy at full price. A $60 game is reasonable if you can resell it for $20 after playing, but not if it's worth nothing. None of this even scratches the lending of games, and need for online authentication. ME tried for 100% online, Assasin's Creed tried it, Anno 20 (I can't even care about the title to look it up) tried it. They all either changed scope, or sales figures sucked due to this practice. Bring on the next console wars. I'm looking forward to PC versus Nintendo, because Valve looks like a champion compared to the twice baked turd of DRM heavy consoles. __________________ You haven't seen anything until you've seen this. pokes computer Wow! I didn't know the blue screen of death could get a blue screen of death.

Processor:	i7 3930k
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Cooling:	H100
Memory:	32 GB DDR3 1600
Video Card:	XFX 6950 (shader unlocked)
Hard Disk:	Too many
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Sound Card:	Onboard
PSU:	1000 watt

Feb 7, 2013, 04:08 PM	#46
ThE_MaD_ShOt Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hi! I'm from the Internet Posts: 3,739 (6.97/day) Thanks: 2,530 Thanked 2,443 Times in 1,468 Posts System Specs	I for some reason don't see this happening due to the fact of the game rental companies. __________________ Crunchers : Phenom II x6 1090t / 2x Phenom II x6 1055t / Phenom II x4 970BE / “I always succed in my mission tho. Beer just delays it!” -ChaoticAtmosphere “TPU is very mild, and I love to tell people I love them when they are being retarded, it makes me feel special in my special places. What was the point of this thread again? Oh well, I love all of you.” -Steevo

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Motherboard:	Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 /Gigabyte 890XA-UD3 / Asus A8n Sli Premium
Cooling:	CM Hyper 212+ / CM Hyper 212+ / Koolance W/C'd
Memory:	4x 4gb G.Skill Ripjaws / 4x 4gb G.Skill Ares / 2x 1gb & 2x 512mb Crucial Pc3200
Video Card:	2x Visiontek Hd7850's C'fired / Visiontek and Xfx HD6850's C'fired / 2x Evga 8800gtx's Sli'd
Hard Disk:	2x 1tb / 2x 1tb / 250 gb
Optical Drive:	Samsung Sata dvd burner / Sony dvd burner / Sony dvd burner
CRT/LCD Model:	Hp W2207H 22" LCD / Acer 20" Led/ Viewsonic 19" Lcd
Case:	Chieftec Dragon Blue / Chieftec Dragon Blue / Koolance PC3-720BK
Sound Card:	Onboard Hd Audio / Onboard Hd Audio / Creative Sb Audigy 2 ZS Platinum
PSU:	Corsair TX 750 watt / Corsair TX 650 watt / Apevia 700 watt
Software:	Win 7 pro 64 bit / Win Vista Home prem. 64 bit / Win xp Pro Sp3

Processor:	C2duo e6750@ 2800mhz
Motherboard:	GA-P43T-ES3G
Cooling:	Xigmatek S1283
Memory:	2x2Gb Kingstone HyperX DDR3 1600 (KHX1600C9D3K2/4GX )
Video Card:	HIS HD 6870
Hard Disk:	samsung HD103SJ
Optical Drive:	Asus 18x SATA DVD-RW
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Sound Card:	X-FI Titanium Pci-e
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Feb 8, 2013, 08:45 PM	#48
1ceTr0n Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 129 (0.75/day) Thanks: 6 Thanked 200 Times in 51 Posts System Specs	Its a simple fact that it comes down to greed. Once a game has been sold as new, the publisher/developer made their money off that sale, period. Beyond that, they are just mad because another consumer will purchase the same game later on once its been turned in as used for a lower price and they see none of the profit vs if the person bought it new. My response? Too farking bad. Welcome to a captialist economy.

Feb 8, 2013, 09:00 PM	#49
Delta6326 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Iowa, USA Posts: 3,286 (1.80/day) Thanks: 557 Thanked 597 Times in 437 Posts System Specs	...So Xbox Live will essentially be Steam, but for console only. I don't see anything wrong with this, You can already buy full games on Live. __________________ Diablo III- Delta6326#1894 TechPowerUp WCG Forum Skyrim Skill Perks By Delta6326

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Video Card:	2x SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 4850 1GB.
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Software:	Windows 8 Pro x64

Feb 8, 2013, 09:06 PM	#50
1ceTr0n Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 129 (0.75/day) Thanks: 6 Thanked 200 Times in 51 Posts System Specs	Because one of consoles main selling points and safe haven's for gamers on a tight budget was NOT having to deal with this crap, me included.