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TRWOV · Feb 11, 2013, 05:51 AM

It already comes with one SMX module disabled isn't it? The full chip is supposed to have 15 SMX AFAIK but the core count suggest 14 active.

sergionography · Feb 11, 2013, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TRWOV

It already comes with one SMX module disabled isn't it? The full chip is supposed to have 15 SMX AFAIK but the core count suggest 14 active.

the tesla chip does, i doubt the same will be for the consumer gk110
i remember it was the same thing during the gtx480 era were the pro cards had disabled parts
the reason being is pro cards have to be 24/7 operation guaranteed

Xzibit · Feb 11, 2013, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TRWOV

It already comes with one SMX module disabled isn't it? The full chip is supposed to have 15 SMX AFAIK but the core count suggest 14 active.

I don't know why anyone thinks its 14 or higher if it has 1 SMX disabled.

C'MON MAN

K20X
14 SMX

K20
13 SMX

So if it has 1 disabled its a K20 that didnt sell or (was binned but we need more detail on the chip and its differences)

Heck it could be 1 disable and be referancing a K20 and be a 12 SMX, W1zzard did allude that hertz was not the only surprise so there is another or more.

SURPRISE!!!
TITAN
12 SMX

It would follow the GK104 model 680, 670, 660Ti (GK110 model K20X, K20, TITAN). Disabling 1 SMX along with others components. TITAN could be a gimped K20 GK110 like the GK104 in 660Ti is to 670.

K20 GK110s that could be salvaged by disabling 1 SMX or other components and you get your Limited TITAN product.

Protagonist · Feb 11, 2013, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Xzibit

I don't know why anyone thinks its 14 or higher if it has 1 SMX disabled.

C'MON MAN

K20X
14 SMX

K20
13 SMX

So if it has 1 disabled its a K20 that didnt sell or (was binned but we need more detail on the chip and its differences)

Heck it could be 1 disable and be referancing a K20 and be a 12 SMX, W1zzard did allude that hertz was not the only surprise so there is another or more.

SURPRISE!!!
TITAN
12 SMX

It would follow the GK104 model 680, 670, 660Ti (GK110 model K20X, K20, TITAN). Disabling 1 SMX along with others components. TITAN could be a gimped K20 GK110 like the GK104 in 660Ti is to 670.

K20 GK110s that could be salvaged by disabling 1 SMX or other components and you get your Limited TITAN product.

And they call it GTX685

HumanSmoke · Feb 11, 2013, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Xzibit

I don't know why anyone thinks its 14 or higher if it has 1 SMX disabled.

Probably because:
1.The full GK 110 has 15 SMX @ 192 cores per, and
2.When was the last time a Tesla (or Quadro) part features more shaders than the GeForce variant (hint: never).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xzibit

So if it has 1 disabled its a K20 that didnt sell or (was binned but we need more detail on the chip and its differences)

...or more likely a higher leakage GPU

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xzibit

SURPRISE!!!
TITAN
12 SMX

Extremely unlikely

Tesla K20X/K20 are A1 revision GPU's...and GPU's invariably yield better as the process matures.
More likely 14 SMX (or possibly 15 if a fully enabled die falls outside Tesla's 225-235W power envelope / assuming that the 15th SMX isn't built in redundancy to improve yield)

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Originally Posted by GC_PaNzerFIN

I can guarantee you there will be like a ton of not-good-enough-for-Titan GK110s. Its massive chip with poor yields

And you know this how? Do you work for Nvidia or TSMC ? There have been precisely two SKU's based on the GK 110...one has 93% functionality, and the other 86.7%. Using your logic, Tahiti's yields must also be poor, since the split is 100%, 87.5%, and 75%.

qubit · Feb 11, 2013, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xzibit

I don't know why anyone thinks its 14 or higher if it has 1 SMX disabled.

C'MON MAN

K20X
14 SMX

K20
13 SMX

So if it has 1 disabled its a K20 that didnt sell or (was binned but we need more detail on the chip and its differences)

Heck it could be 1 disable and be referancing a K20 and be a 12 SMX, W1zzard did allude that hertz was not the only surprise so there is another or more.

SURPRISE!!!
TITAN
12 SMX

It would follow the GK104 model 680, 670, 660Ti (GK110 model K20X, K20, TITAN). Disabling 1 SMX along with others components. TITAN could be a gimped K20 GK110 like the GK104 in 660Ti is to 670.

K20 GK110s that could be salvaged by disabling 1 SMX or other components and you get your Limited TITAN product.

No, that's not right. The GK110 has 15 SMX units and is used in the K20 card.

The apparently cut down version used in the upcoming Titan has one disabled, making 14 SMX units.

NVIDIA's official whitepaper can be downloaded from here, which shows this.

Aceman.au · Feb 11, 2013, 09:56 AM

Well guess Im buying a titan then. Thanks for making it an easy choice (of course I'll look @ numbers against my 7970s before buying though)

qubit · Feb 11, 2013, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Aceman.au

Well guess Im buying a titan then. Thanks for making it an easy choice (of course I'll look @ numbers against my 7970s before buying though)

It's gonna cost like a GTX 690. Are you prepared to pay that kind of money?

Aceman.au · Feb 11, 2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by qubit

It's gonna cost like a GTX 690. Are you prepared to pay that kind of money?

Yeah. The performance jump would have to be relatively high for me to buy it though.

qubit · Feb 11, 2013, 10:18 AM

Good for you.

I wish I could buy it - I'd seriously geek out with a card like this.

leopr · Feb 11, 2013, 10:26 AM

I sincerely hope the Titan will outperform my CF of 7970 @ 1200/1700, if thats the case now it would be the moment to get rid of my crossfire.

NeoXF · Feb 11, 2013, 10:33 AM

^ OK people, enough with the GK110 talk, there's already 3 or more threads in the news section alone, about it.

On to the subject at hand. I'm all for it... as long as it's not because AMD is in a bad rut. Otherwise I'm pretty sure nVidia will follow suit, do you guys really think they'd shoot themselves in the foot like that? Release GF Titan for $900 then 1-2Q later, release GTX 780 for $500 that would offer the same performance? In either case, both nVidia and AMD have to release something mighty amazing when time is due (Q4 2013+).

SIGSEGV · Feb 11, 2013, 10:45 AM

well, some of people have a lot of money to buy those titan, that's great

, but for me, i have no reason spending ton of money for titan (benchmark? i don't care about benchmark scores lol), instead i would go to buy the next gen console especially ps4 replacing my current console machine (ps3) for around $350 - $400.

i'd like to say thanks to amd for no new gpus in 2013.

buggalugs · Feb 11, 2013, 11:05 AM

Oh well I guess I can save some money on GPUs this year.

Axaion · Feb 11, 2013, 11:19 AM

One thing all the AMD guys keep forgetting when posting those higher framerates benchmarks for amd is

"FRAME LATENCY"

Let the massive excrement war begin, may the dank side be victorious.

Eagleye · Feb 11, 2013, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axaion

One thing all the AMD guys keep forgetting when posting those higher framerates benchmarks for amd is

"FRAME LATENCY"

Let the massive excrement war begin, may the dank side be victorious.

Think you missed the memo where AMD fixed "FRAME LATENCY"

Quote:

Originally Posted by GC_PaNzerFIN

It is codenamed to be different gen than GK104. Unless you are claiming they will never release anything else but the top model with that chip and throw away all not too well working chips I can't see how this would be any different. Sure, price is this time higher but well competition has moved to play with consoles so...

From the info out there, the GK110 was made b4 the GK104.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HumanSmoke

And you know this how? Do you work for Nvidia or TSMC ? There have been precisely two SKU's based on the GK 110...one has 93% functionality, and the other 86.7%. Using your logic, Tahiti's yields must also be poor, since the split is 100%, 87.5%, and 75%.

It took nvidia roughly 6 Months to supply Amazon roughly 3000 cards.

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Originally Posted by newtekie1

Actually, I think nVidia was very ready with the card, but waited for AMD to make the move so they would know what they had to compete against. The weak showing by AMD this round is why nVidia ended up releasing what they planned to be a mid-range card as the actual high end card. They didn't need to release GK110 so they held it back to retaliate against whatever AMD had planned next. The lame step of simply boosting clock speeds meant nVidia didn't really need to retaliate.

It took nvidia 6/7 years to design and make the Keplar chip, so how they quickly put one together in 3/4 months after seeing the AMD 7 series is beyond me.

EarlZ · Feb 11, 2013, 12:00 PM

This is bad news.. it may mean that Nvidia will sell at a higher price since there is no competition

Axaion · Feb 11, 2013, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagleye

Think you missed the memo where AMD fixed "FRAME LATENCY"

From the info out there, the GK110 was made b4 the GK104.

It took nvidia roughly 6 Months to supply Amazon roughly 3000 cards.

It took nvidia 6/7 years to design and make the Keplar chip, so how they quickly put one together in 3/4 months after seeing the AMD 7 series is beyond me.

Indeed i have, please provide source, as i cant freaking find it.

EarlZ · Feb 11, 2013, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eagleye

Think you missed the memo where AMD fixed "FRAME LATENCY"

Link to a credible source please

okidna · Feb 11, 2013, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EarlZ

Link to a credible source please

Since Catalyst 13.2 BETA 3 : http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...etaDriver.aspx

Quote:

AMD Catalyst 13.2 Beta 3 for Windows

Improves performance up to 15% in high MSAA cases for the Crysis 3 beta release
Future updates will be made to AMD Catalyst 13.2 Beta to further improve performance in Crysis 3 for both single GPU and CrossFire configurations
Significantly improves latency performance in Skyrim, Boderlands 2, and Guild Wars 2
Improves single GPU performance up to 50% for DmC Devil May Cry
Improves CrossFire performance up to 10% for Crysis 2
Resolves Texture flickering seen in DirectX9.0c applications.

TR did a review for this driver : http://techreport.com/review/24218/a...on-frame-times

SIGSEGV · Feb 11, 2013, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axaion

Indeed i have, please provide source, as i cant freaking find it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EarlZ

Link to a credible source please

i do see mass failed here.

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...etaDriver.aspx

NeoXF · Feb 11, 2013, 12:16 PM

I keep thinking... who honestly thinks nVidia would offer anything new other that this Titan thing, for this year, I mean, hello, even if it is $900 bucks, that'd be shooting theselves in the foot, the theoretical GTX 780 will have to end up faster than "Titan"... Maybe even be based on Maxwell?

Either way, there's chance of refreshes (withing this "gen") from both sides.

Axaion · Feb 11, 2013, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

i do see mass failed here.

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...etaDriver.aspx

Eh, i dont run an AMD card, not going into their site that often. missed the TR article.

Surely you browse the nvidia beta driver section all the time, lol.

Axaion · Feb 11, 2013, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okidna

Since Catalyst 13.2 BETA 3 : http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...etaDriver.aspx

TR did a review for this driver : http://techreport.com/review/24218/a...on-frame-times

Neat, I hope its fixed for all games, least i can switch over to AMD next time i upgrade then.
Edit; i see its still somewhat behind, but massive improvement, So theres always hope

wowman · Feb 11, 2013, 12:24 PM

Possibly AMD is getting cold feet and is shook knowing Titan's performance number.

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NeoXF Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: The Bottomless Pit Posts: 311 (1.14/day) Thanks: 135 Thanked 46 Times in 20 Posts	I keep thinking... who honestly thinks nVidia would offer anything new other that this Titan thing, for this year, I mean, hello, even if it is $900 bucks, that'd be shooting theselves in the foot, the theoretical GTX 780 will have to end up faster than "Titan"... Maybe even be based on Maxwell? Either way, there's chance of refreshes (withing this "gen") from both sides.

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