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Old Jan 25, 2013, 08:33 PM   #176
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I don't get this.. You're saying with every new generation of cards, the price should increase by almost twofold?

I remember when the 5870 replaced the 4870... The performance was almost double and the price was actually cheaper!
Yeah, it's annoying how the two graphics camps appear to have reversed the trend of a fixed price point (or lower one) for the top models while delivering better performance every generation. The price has been creeping up for some time now, while performance improvements have only been incremental. Presumably thermal, wattage and physical GPU & card size limits are to blame for this trend?

I paid the full £400 for my GTX 580 and that was too steep as it is. I'm not paying £500 for the next one, no way.

I still like that kitty. I'm a sucker for them.
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The issue I have with that 85% of a 690 comment is that there's no unit of measurement.

Is it 85% in game performance? Then that pretty much says right there how the GK110 card will perform.

Is it 85% of the render/shader performance? In this case the actual in-game performance might be even better than the 690, because there aren't any SLI scaling issues to deal with.

I'm expecting this to play out much like 560Ti vs 580, which is really where GK104 probably stands against GK110.
its whichever inflates the results, so in this case 85% of game performance, or maybe even worse*85% of compute capability! which gk104 has it crippled
however tho its safe to say its 25-30% faster than gtx680 otherwise its poitlless to release, but its common knowledge now that with the bigger die size higher end models u lose the efficiency advantage of the middle or lower end models of the same architecture, as these are tuned for highest performance rather than performance per watt, but with high clock count and low clockspeed that actually might be different, its just a matter of finding the best diesize/performance/efficieny ratio, and from there based on cost they can prioritize smaller die higher clock(less expensive, but more leakage), or bigger die size, lower clocks(more expensive, less leakage) . i just wish there was any reviews looking into the power consumption scaling with different clocks on gcn and kepler architectures
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Old Jan 25, 2013, 10:09 PM   #178
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I'll certainly get one, I deliberately skipped the 600 series as they weren't much of an upgrade compared to my 3 570's, and only a retard would upgrade EVERY year.
Or some one just wanting cooler, less power hungry all in one solution, many get rid of there sli setup for a single card solution, they not retarded thank you
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Would you pay $900 for it though? I'd have to be very well off to spend that much on a card.
You do have a point, that's £569.62 in my currency pound sterling and we also have value added tax another 20% so £683.5 or $1079.93 in USD (minus delivery charges ofc). SIGH, is expensive.
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 09:16 PM   #180
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Personally, I'm hoping to get a pair of GTX 660 soon, before newer "gen" stuff doesn't kick in, so I start having enthusiast's remorse or something, like I feel going for Socket 2011 is a bad idea since Haswell is so close, and Steamroller not far behind either... but the news of a possible 8-core iteration (hence a upgrade path) calmed that down.

After that, I might sell off one of the 660s (2014+), get a high-end single GPU Radeon HD 9000 (hopefully a generation that will be more high-res friendly) and keep the other 660 for PhysX (LOL), and 3D movies and so, since I have a BenQ XL2420TX, that is much more nVidia 3D-friendly than AMD.

All in all, I'd get, for the time being, very close to GeForce Titan performance for a lot less...
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Personally, I'm hoping to get a pair of GTX 660 soon, before newer "gen" stuff doesn't kick in, so I start having enthusiast's remorse or something, like I feel going for Socket 2011 is a bad idea since Haswell is so close, and Steamroller not far behind either... but the news of a possible 8-core iteration (hence a upgrade path) calmed that down.

After that, I might sell off one of the 660s (2014+), get a high-end single GPU Radeon HD 9000 (hopefully a generation that will be more high-res friendly) and keep the other 660 for PhysX (LOL), and 3D movies and so, since I have a BenQ XL2420TX, that is much more nVidia 3D-friendly than AMD.

All in all, I'd get, for the time being, very close to GeForce Titan performance for a lot less...
um no, the only time a dual gpu solution was better that the top end single gpu was during the gtx400 series were the 480 ran super hot and couldnt overclock, so 2 gtx 460s totaled more cores and at much higher clocks(my gtx460 was stock overclocked at 800mhz)
in this case however 2 gtx660s wont even beat titan in theory to do it in a practical world with sli lol
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um no, the only time a dual gpu solution was better that the top end single gpu was during the gtx400 series were the 480 ran super hot and couldnt overclock, so 2 gtx 460s totaled more cores and at much higher clocks(my gtx460 was stock overclocked at 800mhz)
in this case however 2 gtx660s wont even beat titan in theory to do it in a practical world with sli lol
I don't remember stating anywhere that they'd be faster than this so called "Titan".
Do you research, 2 GTX 660 are QUITE faster than a GTX 680, while being cheaper (where I live) too.
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I don't remember stating anywhere that they'd be faster than this so called "Titan".
Do you research, 2 GTX 660 are QUITE faster than a GTX 680, while being cheaper (where I live) too.
That's usually the case with any mid-ranged solution. GTX460, GTX560Ti, all in SLI were faster than the GTX480 and GTX580.

However I'd still rather have the single GTX480 or GTX580. Won't have to deal with scaling issues, and power/noise/heat requirements are lower for the single card.
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no backplate?

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no IHS ...nice
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That confirms we won't see custom PCBs from AIOs then.

Can't wait to preorder a couple. Been sitting on these 6990s for too much.
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That confirms we won't see custom PCBs from AIOs then.

Can't wait to preorder a couple. Been sitting on these 6990s for too much.
quite likely the case...
but that shouldn't stop you from water-cooling the card. EK is already asking people to vote for the design on its upcoming block(for Titan)

http://thinkcell.ekwb.com/idea/new-f...oose-your-best
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/blocks/vga-...an-series.html

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no backplate?
GTX 690 didnt have a backplate either.

Doesnt look that Titan'e compared to the GTX 690. They should have gone with a slightly more aggressive look. Gunmental maybe to make it look more rugged then the 690. The blower design makes it look a bit too plain. The GTX 690 was okay since it had a big fan in the middle. The blower design leaves a lot of window to see the dust accumulate between the heat sink. Maybe a etched desing or something to spice it up.
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It's a beautifully engineered card and is bound to run suitably cool and quiet for a card with this level of performance.

The shroud also comes off easy enough for quick cleaning.

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quite likely the case...
but that shouldn't stop you from water-cooling the card. EK is already asking people to vote for the design on its upcoming block(for Titan)

http://thinkcell.ekwb.com/idea/new-f...oose-your-best
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/blocks/vga-...an-series.html

a discussion thread has been started for this: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/sh...75#post2847475
EK? No thanks, I think I'll pass

I already have Watercool/Aquacomputer in mind.
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GTX 690 didnt have a backplate either.
The 690 doesn't have any ram chips on the back so isn't needed at all but for the Titan it would've been nice.
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The 690 doesn't have any ram chips on the back so isn't needed at all but for the Titan it would've been nice.
It's GDDR5, it doesn't need more than case airflow to stay cool
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It's GDDR5, it doesn't need more than case airflow to stay cool
maybe, i only said i would've been nice and better looking and better cooling never hurts (for example i loved the 65nm gtx 260's look) imho.
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The Titan begs for a backplate. For aesthetics, at least.
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Ahh... that design reminds me the good old 8800GTS days.
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Nvidia did pretty well on keeping a clamp on leaks this time around. The big reveal has at least some anticipation attached to it.
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quite likely the case...
but that shouldn't stop you from water-cooling the card. EK is already asking people to vote for the design on its upcoming block(for Titan)

http://thinkcell.ekwb.com/idea/new-f...oose-your-best
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/blocks/vga-...an-series.html

a discussion thread has been started for this: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/sh...75#post2847475
I hope people send them a message and vote 3, but you have to sign up to vote so they'll just get votes from people who already bought circle stuff and want it to match up.
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It's a beautifully engineered card and is bound to run suitably cool and quiet for a card with this level of performance.

The shroud also comes off easy enough for quick cleaning.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/1732/capture6l.jpg
Expected more of a cooler than this my self. I do think it is beautifully engineered but these coolers need a way for the user to clean the dust better as it will build up right at the front of the cooler.
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Expected more of a cooler than this my self. I do think it is beautifully engineered but these coolers need a way for the user to clean the dust better as it will build up right at the front of the cooler.
Looks very easy to clean to me and genuine pic imho
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