Core 2 Clubhouse

[tkpenalty]

Core 2 Clubhouse


(Moderators, do not move this thread please!)

Hey guys, this is the Core 2 Clubhouse. You don't have to join like my X1950 Series Clubhouse. Basically this is a support thread for all you guys who need help, or would like to talk about overclocking, etc. There can be members as well but this is more of a formal club.

Update: 7/3/2007
Clubhouse formed:

Rules:
-Does not need a core 2 architecture CPU to join
-Must have more than 50 posts
-Libel is not acceptable
-Spamming is not acceptable
-Does not need to have a C2D Sigpic used, I know some guys are in other clubhouses

*Members list*

Tkpenalty
Teh_f0under

CPU: Core 2 Duo E6300
O/C: 2.325Ghz@+.05v (faulty voltage sensors cannot be trusted)
FSB: 1344mhz
RAM: 420mhzx2
Multi: 7x
Speedstep: OFF
STATUS: Full working order.
Cooling: CNPS7700CU

Extra info: Well before I got it I considered getting a Pentium D Presler 65nm, it was relatively cheap, at around $230AUD, then I saw the Core 2 Duo and decided. After looking at user experiences I decided it was a "yes". So thus I decided it would be my next CPU. It forced me to change all my CPU and motherboard choices.

Infrared
Moderator

CPU: Core 2 Duo E6400
OC: 3.68ghz@1.48v
3.68ghz cpu 1.48v
FSB: 460mhz (1840mhz)
RAM: 920mhz 1:1 4-4-3-8 2.4v
Cooling: Swiftech Apogee waterblock.

From tkpenalty: 2.4v....

Malware
TPU Staff

MB: ASUS P5B Deluxe
CPU: Core 2 Duo E6300 L632 1.325Vcore
O/C: 3004MHz @ 1.275V BIOS(1.248V idle/load)
RAM: 429x2 @ CL5-5-5-15 @ 2.1V
Multi: 7x
Speedstep: OFF
STATUS: 24/7 OC.
Cooling: Noctua NH-U12 + NF-S12 Fan

Kurash

CPU: Core 2 Duo E6300
OC: 3.36Ghz
FSB: 480x4
Vcore: 1.32 (stock)
Temperatures: 33c Idle/54c Load

BXtreme
Second in command

CPU: Core 2 Duo E6300
OC: 3.0Ghz
STATUS: Working, off OC
COOLING: Stock...

Comments from Tkpenalty: Something like a Arctic Cooling Arctic Freezer or Thermalright CPU cooler would do great, overall keep in mind how much stress you are putting on the motherboard. If you have a full Aluminium case... this is even more important, the case MAY deform.

Tatty_one

Official TPU Grandad
CPU: E6600
OC: 3.85Ghz (ON A STOCK COOLER?)

Ex_Reven

CPU: Core 2 Duo E6400
OC: 3.0Ghz
STATUS: Working
Cooling: unknown

JMS45

From AMD 2 Intel
CPU: Core 2 Duo E6600
OC: 366fsb.

scoutingwraith

Lappy C2D
CPU: Core 2 Duo T7200
OC: N/A (why would you?)

tigger69

CPU: Core 2 Duo E6300
OC: 3.5Ghz
STATUS: Working for sure!

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Tips for purchase:
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Core 2 Duo:
Currently the best buy for the Core 2 Duo range is the E6600, highly overclockable and 4MB of cache makes it make the Core 2 Extreme look almost a rip off. However, this is not the case as the Core 2 EE is of more higher quality. If your budget does not prevail, the E6300 is also a good buy, the E4300 (around $200 USD) if you don't have an extra $30 in your pocket. E4300 is not better than the E6300 when equivalently clocked. Core 2 Duo E6300/E6400/E4300s are for general/server use and they don't compain when gaming. Highly recommended for all you intel guys over a Pentium D/Pentium 4 unless you cannot afford it.
Something like a X6800 is just for max performance for overclocking or stock speeds.

Cooling wise, the stock intel cooler is almost silent anyway, so its rather pointless for after market coolers, unless decent overclocking, or wanting to show off your mad light show. Even though the stock intel cooler has the same appearance as the Pentium 4 ones, it uses a different bearing, and motor.

Stock cooling is substantial until you hit 2.8Ghz mark, from there on I would consider changing solutions. Nevertheless be wise in what you choose, since core 2 duos have lower heat output, and thus needing less bulkier coolers. Example:

-CNPS7700CU (Block of copper with fan on top). Its a decent cooler alright cools all the components around the mobo, however considering its weight, its a big flop. 1kg for such a tiny improvement at stock speeds is not really worth it. However its results are better for load temps. AlCU would be a better option. Nevertheless even with its weight, low height (it wont decide to rock around when you are shipping or moving it around) and its mounting mechanism prevents motherboard damage.

-G-Power Gigabyte/Thermalright HR-01/etc (Heapipe cooler with small aluminium fins, low weight). A good cooler, very light and well below the max weight for intel/amd, these are the best types of coolers to look out for, providing good performance and not being too bulky.

-CNPS9700AT/CNPS9700NT/CNPS9500/Thermalright Ultra 120/92 (heatpipe cooler with extemely large aluminium/copper fin array)
Solid performance, however the weight of these coolers is back up to the CNPS7700CU. Note that these are "towers " and care must be taken upon shipping as the coolers's high height and weight make them reasonate more when being shipped or moved.

UPDATE: Those planning on purchasing the E4300 and E4400 PLEASE hold onto your cash, intel are phasing out both processors E4500 that has been released. the E4500 has a 11x Multi... YES 11x Multi, which means from 200 to 266 fsb will give u 2.926Ghz... Core 2 Extreme speeds.

Quad Core:
Quad Cores these days are becoming mainstream, wait for Q3 (266 USD). Atm its too expensive for it to be substantially worth it. For businesses it would be a good choice as it would be better to have one Quad processor than two Dual cores. This does not make them crap, they are very powerful, except no applications utilise this extra power. Server owners should look into that. Overall great but, not practical at the moment, give it another few months and us dual core'ers will be wailing.

This time, stuff stock cooling and get a Freezer 7 or something. Honestly these run really HOT, stock cooling is not as good as the CPU cooler itself is different to the ones found on Pentium Ds/Core 2 Duos. Stock cooling barely keeps it running at a safe temperature.



Celeron 4xx: (Core 2 Celeron)

Very cheap and overclockable, however low cache is a bit of a let down. As cheap as a P4 now but offers much more performance, Celeron 4xx are the ones to look out for. Boasting low clock speeds, and a low multi as well as less cache, it produces very little heat in comparison with the Pentium Dual core, or the Core 2 Duos. In this case Intel uses a finely lapped and polished aluminium cored cooler, which is a good cooling solution, max overclocks top off around 2Ghz due to the low multiplier of 6x

Pentium Dual Core 1MB Cache: (Core 2 Pentium)

E2140, aka Core 2 Pentium, is very cheap being around $90, 7x multi, Allendale with 1mb disabled.

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[BXtreme]

i've got a c2d e6300, i'll join this, also I was thinking for a gd cooler so I can get it 3.x, cuz the temps are killing me! i'm on a not-so-gd cooler....I think any zalman ones...

[Thermopylae_480]

Sooo many clubhouses. You guys should get together, make sofa forts, and have a battle.

Don't worry about anyone moving it by the way. I personally would rather have this here, and it's better for you anyway.

[tkpenalty]

Originally Posted by Thermopylae_480

Sooo many clubhouses. You guys should get together, make sofa forts, and have a battle.

Don't worry about anyone moving it by the way. I personally would rather have this here, and it's better for you anyway.

a great moderator spotted

[tkpenalty]

Originally Posted by BXtreme

i've got a c2d e6300, i'll join this, also I was thinking for a gd cooler so I can get it 3.x, cuz the temps are killing me! i'm on a not-so-gd cooler....I think any zalman ones...

In all my honesty, something like a thermalright HR- series cooler will help a lot. Those are by far better than zalman.

[Thermopylae_480]

Originally Posted by tkpenalty

a great moderator spotted

Lol, don't be too quick with the praise. I never said I liked the clubhouses, just if they're going to exist I would rather have them in general nonsense .

[tkpenalty]

Originally Posted by Thermopylae_480

Lol, don't be too quick with the praise. I never said I liked the clubhouses, just if they're going to exist I would rather have them in general nonsense .

That's still cool. This is for those who don't know/read about it:

Apart from that, First of all I would just like to say that this is all word of mouth information my Intel rep let slip when I saw him in the shop, so I can't say it is accurate or even true, but here is what he said:

There will be Core 2 Celerons based off both the Conroe core and the Allendale core. He still wasn't sure if they were keeping the Celeron name or moving on, but he seems pretty confident that the Celeron name was dead.

The model numbers will be E2x00 for the Conroe based Celerons and E1x00 for the Allendale based Celerons. The model numbers will keep the same multipliers. So the E2600 will have a multiplier of 9 like the E6600, however the FSB will be different.

The Conroe based Celerons will have:

1MB of L2 Cache
800MHz FSB

E2300=1.4GHz
E2400=1.6GHz
E2600=1.8GHz
E2700=2.0GHz
E2800=2.2GHz

The Allendale based Celerons will have:

512KB of L2 Cache
533MHz FSB

E1300=0.933GHz
E1400=1.066GHz
E1600=1.2GHz
E1700=1.333GHz
E1800=1.466GHz

The model numbers were not taken from him, I just took what he said about them and made the list myself. Who knows if all of those will actually be released.

Here is the part I liked, all of these will be dual core, so the second core will not be disabled. I assume this was decided to allow the Celerons to still remain competitive with the Dual Core Semprons that AMD has announced.

I also asked him if there were plans to release Celerons with higher multipliers than the 11 currently used, and he said "as Core 2 Duos come out with higher multipliers the Celerons with those multipliers will probably come to the market as well".

As an overclocker of cheap processors this excites me. Some of you might know, but for those that don't, I love the Celeron Ds. I just love to overclock them. So the idea of having a Dual Core Core 2 processor with a stock multiplier of 11 for, what looks like, under $100 really makes me happy. The lack of L2 cache will obviously hurt the performance, but you can't have everything for $100.

[JC316]

Originally Posted by tkpenalty

Core 2 Clubhouse


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Approximations for price ($USD)
E4300 $200
E6300 $230
E6400 $260
E6600 $380 (Note, this huge difference may mean that there is another unrealeased model, the E6500)
E6700 $580
X6800 $1,000 (Rich john's get this!!!)

Your prices are off a bit. These are from newegg.

E4300 $169
E6300 $183
E6400 $221
E6600 $313
E6700 $512
X6800 $965

[tkpenalty]

Originally Posted by JC316

Your prices are off a bit. These are from newegg.

E4300 $169
E6300 $183
E6400 $221
E6600 $313
E6700 $512
X6800 $965

I mean prices of the average dealer. Thanks for the prices anyway =D

[tigger]

i just thought i'd pop my nose in as i have a oo oo 6300 lol.

Core 2 Duo E6300/E6400/E4300s are for general/server use and they don't compain when gaming

they certainly dont complain when gaming,even at 3.5ghz.

[tkpenalty]

Yeah.. I just installed the CNPS7700CU again, this time with more thermal paste, evenly applied , with the base emerged in alcohol for 30 minutes. Now my idle temps are so low.. =D.

Man... 975X chipsets absolutely die (i.e. data not going through, textures from game not making it to GPU) when there is too much heat... 59*C...

32*C FTW!!!! before it was hitting the high 40s.

[infrared]

I'm getting on just fine with my i975x

my cpu and NB are both watercooled, and i'm voltmodding the NB as soon as i can find myself a decent soldering iron. Once they're voltmodded, to about 1.9v (real volts, not bios) they usually can reach over 480mhz fsb. And of course! memory bandwidth is unreal!

[ex_reven]

id like to join your club

I have a E6400

my c2d WAS OC'd to 3ghz at stock volts but i cleared my cmos a couple of weeks back when i installed a new PSU. So currently im at 2.1 and cant be bothered OC'ing again lol. maybe when i finish this terms work at school

Temps at 3ghz were about 40 degrees on boot.
Dunno about load as of yet, but shouldnt be TOO hot

[Zubasa]

The Core 2 Clubhouse is in the non-sence area

[BXtreme]

no, now in the club area

[tkpenalty]

lol yeah. I wish I had picked a different name, oh well (more views now though which is quite good)

I've heard some bizzare reports of some C2Ds shrieking once overclocked too much. Can anyone justify this?

Right now on:

CPU SPEED: 2245mhz
Bus Speed: 320mhz
FSB: 1280mhz
Multi: X7
Speedstep off,

RAM Speeds DDR667 @ DDR800 speeds.

Btw, my generic RAM really sucks, it completely heats up the poor heatspreaders. Luckily my CNPS7700CU is blowing air on them... with the stock intel cooler... it crashed often.

My CNPS7700CU has a scratched base so I won't do heavy overclocking now.

What voltages are recommended btw?

[infrared]

I'd like to join please

cpu: 3.68ghz cpu 1.48v
fsb: 460mhz (1840mhz)
ram: 920mhz 1:1 4-4-3-8 2.4v

Cooling: Swiftech Apogee waterblock.

Originally Posted by tkpenalty

I've heard some bizzare reports of some C2Ds shrieking once overclocked too much. Can anyone justify this?

What voltages are recommended btw?

The "shrieking" is more likely to be the coils in the power circuits. A cpu is a solid lump, there's nothing on it that can physically make a noise.

As far as recommended voltage goes, it varies. I personally havn't needed to go over 1.52v, but then again i am on watercooling. I'd say 1.55v should be safe, just keep an eye on temps

[tkpenalty]

Originally Posted by infrared

I'd like to join please

cpu: 3.68ghz cpu 1.48v
fsb: 460mhz (1840mhz)
ram: 920mhz 1:1 4-4-3-8 2.4v

Cooling: Swiftech Apogee waterblock.



The "shrieking" is more likely to be the coils in the power circuits. A cpu is a solid lump, there's nothing on it that can physically make a noise.

As far as recommended voltage goes, it varies. I personally havn't needed to go over 1.52v, but then again i am on watercooling. I'd say 1.55v should be safe, just keep an eye on temps

At overclocked speeds and temps, its stil very cool (nowhere near pentium D heat generated... the motherboard laughs at these clocks, though I really need a thermalright to cool my northbridge). How hot does your northbridge get anyway? There isnt air blowing on it.. so It could be not as effective.

Should I heatsink the mofsets?

(anti-one star protestor, remove vote system only to moderators plox)

EDIT: you're in

[Boneface]

Ive had mine to 4.0ghz and no shreiking. I did fry my board on an OC attempt however

[tkpenalty]

CLUBHOUSE CLOSED:

Reason:

Faggot keeps one starring thread, leading to low views.

[infrared]

Hmm, i need to speak with w1zzard, maybe to scrap the whole thread rating system.

[tkpenalty]

CLUBHOUSE RESUMED (I was pissed cos my parents were yelling at me)

[new_rez]

Here is a guide I found on C2D temps. I am in no way claiming it as my own work as it isn't. I got it from http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardw...ict221745.html

Thought i'd post it as a quote as the link could die (doubt it though).

Thanks

Core 2 Duo Temperature Guide Updated March 24th, 2007

Scope

The purpose of this Guide is to provide users with an understanding of thermal relationships, so that C2D platforms can be uniformly tested, properly analyzed, and accurately monitored. This Guide is not an Engineering Document, and does not address unnecessarily diverse or complex technical details. Certain strict definitions have therefore been relaxed to simplify concepts and enhance readability. This Guide applies to air cooled mainstream Desktop C2D processors.


Background

Intel has 2 distinct C2D thermal specifications, and provides a test program, Thermal Analysis Tool (TAT), to simulate 100% Loads. Some users may not be aware that Prime95, Orthos, Everest and assorted others, may simulate loads which are intermittent, or less than TAT. These are ideal for stress testing CPU, memory and system stability over time, but aren't designed for testing the limits of CPU cooling efficiency.

Some users also may not know that C2D's feature 3 sensors at 2 different temperatures; a single on-die Tcase sensor (between the cores), and dual Tjunction sensors (one within each core). Consequently, there is much confusion regarding specifications, calibration offsets and test methods, so results can be difficult to decipher and compare. Therefore, when expressing Idle & Load test results, it's also necessary to define the variables such as:

Tcase = Idle & Load
Tjunction = Idle & Load, Hottest Core

Ambient = Room Temp
Chipset = Model
C2D = Model
CPU Cooler = Model
Frequency = CPU Clock
Load = Test Program
Motherboard = Model
Vcore = CPU Voltage


Specifications

Intel's Thermal Specification: http://processorfinder.intel.com/det...px?sSpec=SL9S8

Thermal Specification:

* The thermal specification shown is the maximum case temperature at the maximum Thermal Design Power (TDP) value for that processor. It is measured at the geometric center on the topside of the processor integrated heat spreader.

X6800 = 60.4c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 75w
E6700 = 60.1c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 65w
E6600 = 60.1c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 65w
E6400 = 61.4c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 65w
E6300 = 61.4c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 65w
E4300 = 61.4c, Vcore max = 1.3250, TDP = 65w

** For processors without integrated heat spreaders such as mobile processors, the thermal specification is referred to as the junction temperature (Tj). The maximum junction temperature is defined by an activation of the processor Intel® Thermal Monitor. The Intel Thermal Monitor’s automatic mode is used to indicate that the maximum TJ has been reached.

Desktop C2D's = 85c
Ambient Temperature = 22c
Idle to Load Delta Max = 25c
Tcase + 15c = Tjunction
Thermal Sensor Accuracy = +/-1c


Interpretation

* The first part of the spec refers to a single measuring point on the integrated heat spreader, which is in contact with the CPU cooler. Since there is no laboratory test sensor at this location, the CPU Case Thermal Diode is used to display the CPU temp in BIOS, where thermal tables are stored to emulate the heat spreader. This is the CPU die temperature measured between the cores. Intel's Thermal Case Maximum spec (Tc max) of 60c is the hot limit, 55c is warm, and 50c is safe. The single CPU Thermal Case sensor is how Tcase is measured, and is the CPU temp displayed in BIOS, Motherboard Utilities, and SpeedFan: CPU or Temp X.

** The second part of the spec refers to mobile processors without an integrated heat spreader, measured by internal Digital Thermal Sensors. Since Intel's Thermal Analysis Tool (TAT) is a Notebook tool, and desktop C2D's have an integrated heat spreader, TAT will typically indicate ~ 2c lower than SpeedFan. Intel's Thermal Junction Maximum spec (Tj max) of 85c is the shutdown limit. 80c is overtemp, where TAT redlines and the CPU throttles, 75c is hot, 70c is warm, and 65c is safe. The dual Thermal Junction sensors are how Tjunction is measured, and are the dual core temps displayed in TAT, and SpeedFan: Core 0 / Core 1.


Thermal Flow

Heat originates within the cores, and is hottest where the dual Tjunction sensors are located. Heat is then dissipated throughout the CPU die to the socket and motherboard, and to the Integrated Heat Spreader, where the single Tcase sensor is located between the cores, and the temperature is ~ 15c cooler. Heat is then transferred to the CPU cooler, and finally to air inside the computer case. All 3 C2D temperatures are then determined by computer case cooling efficiency and Ambient temperature. Regardless of Load, Tjunction is always ~ 15c higher than Tcase, and Tcase is always higher than Ambient.


Findings

(A) TAT can be used simultaneously with SpeedFan for benchmarking Desktop C2D's at 100% Load.

(B) The difference between Tcase (BIOS, Motherboard Utilities and SpeedFan: CPU or Temp X) and Tjunction (TAT and SpeedFan: Core 0 / Core 1) is Tcase + 15c = Tjunction.

(C) 50c Tcase and 65c Tjunction are safe and sustainable temperatures.


Overclocking

Intel's Thermal Design Power (TDP) spec of 65 watts can be exceeded by over 50% when CPU frequency is aggresively overclocked, and Vcore is increased to maintain stability. Intel's Vcore max spec of 1.3525, when increased much beyond 10%, or 1.488 Vcore, makes it challenging to maintain safe temperatures with air cooling. Also, as Ambient temperature increases, overclock frequency and Vcore must decrease.

Every CPU is unique in it's overclock potential, voltage tolerance, and thermal behavior. Whatever the stable overclock frequency is at 1.35 Vcore, each increase of .05 volts will typically allow a stable increase of ~ 100 Mhz, and will result in a corresponding increase in CPU temperatures of ~ 3c.

If the maximum stable overclock is known at 1.35 Vcore, then ~ 300 Mhz of additional overclock remains until safe temps are exeeded due to increased Vcore. Example; at 22c Ambient, if a C2D is stable at 3.0 Ghz - 1.35 Vcore - 40c Tcase / 55c Tjunction @ TAT 100% Load, then it may also be stable at 3.3 Ghz - 1.5 Vcore - 50c Tcase / 65c Tjunction @ TAT 100% Load, with highly effective CPU cooling and computer case cooling.


Tools

SpeedFan 4.32 displays all 3 Tcase and Tjunction sensors: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

Intel's Thermal Analysis Tool (TAT): http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/392/mirrors.php

Orthos: http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads...rime_2004.html


Testing

Vcore = Manual
C1E / EIST = Disabled
CPU Fan = Manual, 100%
Computer Case Fans = Manual 100%
Primary Test = TAT @ 100% 10 Minutes
Alternate Test = Orthos @ P9 Small FFT’s 10 Minutes

TAT will expose insufficient CPU cooling and computer case cooling, or excessive Vcore and overclock. At no other time will a CPU be so heavily loaded, or display higher temperatures, even when highly OC'd during worst-case / real-world loads. After CPU thermal behavior has been benchmarked by TAT, then Orthos or assorted other programs can be used with SpeedFan to observe less extreme CPU temps, while stress testing for system stability. Orthos Priority 9 Small FFT’s simulates 88% of TAT ~ 5c lower.

Scale

The temp scale shown below illustrates the normal ~ 25c range between Idle and TAT @ 100% Load, and the typical ~ 15c difference between Tcase and Tjunction on an example system overclocked with 1.45 Vcore. 50c Tcase and 65c Tjunction are safe and sustainable temperatures.

Tcase/Tjunction

--70--/--85--85-- Shutdown
--65--/--80--80-- Throttle
--60--/--75--75-- Hot
--55--/--70--70-- Warm
--50--/--65--65-- N
--45--/--60--60-- O
--40--/--55--55-- R
--35--/--50--50-- M
--30--/--45--45-- A
--25--/--40--40-- L
--20--/--35--35-- Cold


Results

Tcase (Motherboard Utilities) = 30c Idle, 50c Load (SpeedFan: CPU or Temp X)
Tjunction (TAT) Hottest Core = 45c Idle, 65c Load (SpeedFan: Core 0 / Core 1)


Variables

Ambient = 22c
Chipset = 975X
C2D = E6600
CPU Cooler= AC Freezer 7 Pro
Frequency = 3.6 Ghz
Load = TAT @ 100% 10 minutes
Motherboard = Asus P5W DH
Vcore = 1.45

C2D's should perform within the typical ~ 25c range between Idle and Load, which will vary among systems due to inconsistencies such as Ambient temp, overclocking, Vcore, CPU cooling, computer case cooling, graphics cooling, and software processes. Example; if a CPU is being tasked by SETI, Folding, or excessive background processes, while running Orthos rather than TAT, then "Idle" could be ~ 40%, and "Load" would be 88% of TAT, therefore, the range may be only ~ 10c.

The typical ~ 15c difference between the single Tcase temp, and the dual Tjunction temps can be erroneous due to calibration inaccuracies in chipsets, BIOS releases, driver versions, and motherboard utilities. Intel’s spec for thermal sensor accuracy is +/-1c, so temperatures can be quite accurate on hardware / firmware platforms free of manufacturer's deficiencies. Temperatures which have offsets can be analyzed, and when corrected, may still be accurate.


Heat Score

The following items will enable users to estimate cooling efficiency, identify problem areas, and visualize how environment and system configuration impacts real-world thermal performance.

(A) Ambient:
3 = Over 24c
2 = 22c to 24c
1 = Under 22c

(B) CPU Cooler:
3 = Stock or Low End
2 = Mid Range
1 = High End

(C) Computer Case Cooling:
3 = Needs Improvement
2 = Fair
1 = Excellent

(D) Frequency:
3 = Heavy OC
2 = Moderate OC
1 = Stock or Lite OC

(E) Graphics Cooling:
3 = Recirculate – SLI
2 = Recirculate - Single Card
1 = Rear Exhaust - Single Card / SLI / CrossFire

(F) Hard Drives:
3 = 4 or More
2 = 2 or 3
1 = 1

(G) Vcore:
3 = Over 1.42
2 = 1.35 to 1.42
1 = Under 1.35

Total: (Example System)
(A) = 2
(B) = 2
(C) = 1
(D) = 3
(E) = 1
(F) = 2
(G) = 3
Heat Score = 14

Scale:
17 - 21 = Hot
12 - 16 = Warm
7 - 11 = Cool


Parameters

(A) Vcore should not exceed ~ 1.5v.

(B) Tjunction is always ~ 15c higher than Tcase.

(C) Tcase is always higher than Ambient.

(D) Tcase Idle should be ~ 1 to 15c higher than Ambient.

(E) Tjunction Idle should be ~ 15 to 30c higher than Ambient.

(F) Tcase Load should not exceed ~ 55c with TAT @ 100% Load.

(G) Tjunction Load should not exceed ~ 70c with TAT @ 100% Load.

(H) Idle to Load Delta should not exceed ~ 25c.

(I) Tjunction Results are Hottest Core Idle and Load.


Troubleshooting

(A) Vcore will typically sag ~ .025 volts under Load.

(B) Offsets between Core 0 / Core 1 of ~ 3c are normal.

(C) SpeedFan 4.32 can be configured to correct for Tcase and Tjunction offsets.

(D) SpeedFan 4.32 may detect Tcase (CPU or Temp X) as Temp 1, Temp 2 or Temp 3.

(E) Any hardware and / or software may misreport Tcase and / or Tjunction temps.

(F) 965 chipsets may misreport Tcase and Tjunction temperatures with +/-15c offsets.

(G) 6XX chipsets may misreport Tcase and / or Tjunction accuracy at upper or lower scale.

(H) If TAT will not run, then Orthos Priority 9 Small FFT’s simulates 88% of TAT ~ 5c lower.

(I) Core Temp shows Tjunction 85c or 100c. This is Intel's Tj max spec, and is information only.

(J) C2D’s manufactured with concave Integrated Heat Spreaders may report high Deltas and temps.

(K) An improperly seated CPU cooler is the leading cause of abnormally high temperatures.


Offsets

If temperatures don’t meet the Parameters, then SpeedFan 4.32 can configure offsets to correct for Tcase (CPU or Temp X) and Tjunction (Core 0 / Core 1). From the “Readings” tab, click on the “Configure” button, then click on the “Advanced” tab. Next, click on the “Chip” field directly under the tabs, then use SpeedFan’s “Help and HOW-TO” icon included in the installation Program Group.

Under “Contents” click on “How to configure” then click on “How to set Advanced Options”. Read this section including “Other interesting options” and “Temperature x offset. When configured, SpeedFan will display all 3 Tcase and Tjunction temperatures correctly. SpeedFan is also extremely useful for observing temperatures and Vcore using the “Charts” tab, while thermal benchmarking with TAT.


Tips

(A) Tcase = SpeedFan: CPU or Temp X.

(B) SpeedFan: Temp 1, 2 or 3 = Temp X.

(C) Tjunction = SpeedFan: Core 0 / Core 1.

(D) SpeedFan temperatures should be configured to “Show in Tray” the Hottest Core.

(E) Masscool Shin-Etsu X23 Thermal Interface Material (TIM) can reduce your CPU temps by ~ 4c:

DaClan Review: Thermal Interface Shootout

Shin-Etsu X23 is available at the following sites:

http://www.chillblast.com/product.php?productid=16932
http://www.ajigo-store.com/se7783d.html
http://www.crazypc.com/products/50118.html
http://www.watercoolingshop.com/cata...id=4...amp;osC
http://www.specialtech.co.uk/spshop/...=123...mp;cat=


Notes

This Guide may be frequently updated as new processors and information becomes available.

< I hope this helps to make sense out of C2D temperature alphabet soup. Thank you for reading. >

CompuTronix

[Kursah]

TK, I'd like to join this club also! Might as well! Since I have my core 2 system and the x1950, it just seems right! I've got:
Asus P5B Deluxe, bios 1004, fsb 1920 (480)
>OEM Cooling
e6300 1.86 @ 3.36 w/stock 1.32 voltage (reads 1.28, droops to 1.26 under load), Multi @ 7x
>Cooling - Freezer Pro 7 w/AS5, 33c Idle, 54c Load
G.Skill PC6400 phu2-2gbhz DDR2800 at DDR2 960 (480), 4-4-4-5, 2.25v, 1:1 Ratio
>OEM Heatsinks, Corsair XMS Airflow Ram Cooler

[tkpenalty]

Arent you already in the club?

Have a look:

*Member List*

Leader:

-Tkpenalty 100%
[i]Boss[/b]

Standard Members:


-Lazzer408 25%

oily_17 15%

-Pinchy 15%

boecke

JustinHEMI05

JDPower

mitsirfishi

Zubasa

{JNT}Raptor

xman2007

anticlutch

DOM_ATI_X800XL_PCI-E

Maju

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Batou1986

AlcaponeJoin date: 9/2/07

Kurash Join date: 9/2/07

Erocker Heat {=====_____} 50%

Binomalkilla

EDIT: WHoops.. wrong clubhouse heeheh...