Vintage hardware - Athlon XP 2500+ good for anything anymore? - Page 2

jeepdriver · Dec 26, 2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jeepdriver

I run a Athlon MP, OC'd to 2.43 GHz. Infinity NFII ultra board, 2 gig ddr 400, ATI X1950 AGP, 500w psu, modded Tt3 case. XSPC water block, pump/reservoir, corsair fans, and a automotive transmission cooler for a radiator. Ubuntu 12.04. Got under $400 in it and I love it !

Well, 4 days after my post the Infinity board went down. I swapped in a ASRock 880GM, 965BE, 4GB of Kingston HyperX, and a Heatkiller.

ThE_MaD_ShOt · Dec 26, 2012, 03:01 PM

I ran Ubuntu 11.04 on a Athlon xp, 2gb mem rig for awhile and it ran great. So yes it is still very useful and for everyday stuff like web browsing and office apps it would be just fine. I also have the same mobo in the closet along with some other choice boards and am considering putting together a Socket A 3200+ rig for fun.

Jeffredo · Feb 21, 2013, 04:58 PM

Well I finally have it up and running! It was kind of a fun project. I'm still "polishing the turd" with it and would like to get a couple SATA ports for a hard drive and an optical drive. There is a cheap PCI SATA controller card I'm considering, but the CPU is so weak I'm concerned about the card and CPU utilization. Will such a card (in a non-RAID situation) use any CPU resources? This is the one I'm thinking of. Also, I have an Audigy 2 PCI sound card in it. Will having a HD on the PCI Bus mess with its performance?

TRWOV · Feb 21, 2013, 05:18 PM

Not really, audio cards hardly use any bandwidth. As for the SATA card the only caveats are to make sure you can boot up from it (if it has a Silicon Image controller it should be alright) and that you'd be limited to 133MB/s of throughput.

yogurt_21 · Feb 21, 2013, 05:19 PM

might need to get an old raid controller with its own resources to avoid the cpu utilization. Not sure if any sata port add in cards have any onboard memory/processing. Its a pity the mobo doesn't have any. Nforce2 ultra chipsets did, but I guess not vanilla.

Although I'm not sure the cpu utilization would matter all that much. Its not like the card is going to add 20% constant utilization or anything like that, 3-5 max.

Jeffredo · Feb 21, 2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by yogurt_21

might need to get an old raid controller with its own resources to avoid the cpu utilization. Not sure if any sata port add in cards have any onboard memory/processing. Its a pity the mobo doesn't have any. Nforce2 ultra chipsets did, but I guess not vanilla.

Although I'm not sure the cpu utilization would matter all that much. Its not like the card is going to add 20% constant utilization or anything like that, 3-5 max.

Yeah, I'm really disappointed with myself for not getting one with SATA - this Shuttle mobo is pretty bare bones. There were a ton of them around at the time, but it was my first PC build and I didn't even know what SATA was back then (or that I might ever want to use it).

ThE_MaD_ShOt · Feb 21, 2013, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffredo

Well I finally have it up and running! It was kind of a fun project. I'm still "polishing the turd" with it and would like to get a couple SATA ports for a hard drive and an optical drive. There is a cheap PCI SATA controller card I'm considering, but the CPU is so weak I'm concerned about the card and CPU utilization. Will such a card (in a non-RAID situation) use any CPU resources? This is the one I'm thinking of. Also, I have an Audigy 2 PCI sound card in it. Will having a HD on the PCI Bus mess with its performance?

Hell I would have left the audigy 2 out. The onboard sound is simply great on that board. Also it's hardware based. One of the only ones that where. Drop in 2 x 1gb memory sticks and run 2gb in dual channel mode and you could have a great little Win xp gaming rig. Also if you want more proc power you could pick up a Barton mobile chip (2400/2500+) and oc it. They oc very well and run cool in the process.

yogurt_21 · Feb 21, 2013, 06:08 PM

every 2500 barton (1.83GHZ) I had would hit 3200 (2.2GHZ) speeds without issue. They share the same multiplier so all you had to doo was up the fsb from 166 to 200 and up the voltage a bit. You just need to make sure your bios is full and not an "oem special."

Should be plenty. I have an old 2600m that will hit 2.7GHZ on water but its not necessary and certainly not a comfortable 24/7 voltage/temp setting.

at 2.2 with a slight bump in voltage the 2500 should be plenty stable for 24/7 use.

Jeffredo · Feb 21, 2013, 06:24 PM

I have the FSB at 200 right now (3200+) but I left the voltage at 1.65. I haven't gamed with it yet - may try some old games like Divine Divinity and Sacred today to see if it crashes at that voltage. What voltage did you need to be stable yogurt?

_Zod_ · Feb 21, 2013, 07:18 PM

I've got a pull from an old compaq, a Barton XP 3200+ with an ASUS micro board that has 2 SATA ports on-board and an AGP ATI x700 Pro all sitting in a box. I used to use it as a media playback rig/file server but it wouldn't handle 720p mkv's. I replaced it with a s754 3700+ that does a bit better and has PCIe.

The Athlon XP's can still be used for general computing and lite server duty, if you have need for such things. Sadly there are much more efficient alternatives for low cost.

thebluebumblebee · Feb 21, 2013, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffredo

I have the FSB at 200 right now (3200+) but I left the voltage at 1.65. I haven't gamed with it yet - may try some old games like Divine Divinity and Sacred today to see if it crashes at that voltage. What voltage did you need to be stable yogurt?

Never had to bump the voltage on mine. Never heard of bumping the voltage on the 2500+ FSB'd to 3200+ until this thread.

Krazy Owl · Feb 21, 2013, 08:03 PM

Guys just asking. What could make a 3200+ to show at 1.1 gig in the bios and in windows when its locked and no setting can be changed?

Chevalr1c · Feb 21, 2013, 11:24 PM

What do you mean with "gig" in this case?

Jeffredo · Feb 21, 2013, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chevalr1c

What do you mean with "gig" in this case?

I'm sure he meant Ghz. Mine was 1100 Mhz before I hit "load optimized defaults" in the BIOS. Been sitting for years - wasn't surprised it went to fail safe.

ThE_MaD_ShOt · Feb 21, 2013, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Krazy Owl

Guys just asking. What could make a 3200+ to show at 1.1 gig in the bios and in windows when its locked and no setting can be changed?

Check the fsb setting. It is probably set at 100 mhz instead of 200 mhz.

Krazy Owl · Feb 21, 2013, 11:55 PM

Yes it is but no dip switch and nothing in bios to change the fsb

ThE_MaD_ShOt · Feb 22, 2013, 12:07 AM

I replied a couple times in your thread for this.

It's in there just hidden. Probaly under advance cpu options or something. it's going to be in a weird place.

Jeffredo · Feb 22, 2013, 01:48 AM

Do you have Award BIOS (most nForce mobos do)? If so, its under "Advanced Chipset Features"/"FSB Frequency". Again, if you hit "Load Optimized Defaults" in the BIOS that will set it to stock values (unless something is seriously wrong - overheating, etc...).

Krazy Owl · Feb 22, 2013, 02:30 AM

No need its ok I found that nothing can be done with this board. I will give it to a kid instead. Thank you anyway.

Mussels · Feb 22, 2013, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffredo

Well I finally have it up and running! It was kind of a fun project. I'm still "polishing the turd" with it and would like to get a couple SATA ports for a hard drive and an optical drive. There is a cheap PCI SATA controller card I'm considering, but the CPU is so weak I'm concerned about the card and CPU utilization. Will such a card (in a non-RAID situation) use any CPU resources? This is the one I'm thinking of. Also, I have an Audigy 2 PCI sound card in it. Will having a HD on the PCI Bus mess with its performance?

PCI bus can only do 133MB/s total between all devices. so yes, it could impact performance on modern drives.

CPU usage wont be a problem.

edit: was beaten to it. oh well.

yogurt_21 · Feb 22, 2013, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffredo

I have the FSB at 200 right now (3200+) but I left the voltage at 1.65. I haven't gamed with it yet - may try some old games like Divine Divinity and Sacred today to see if it crashes at that voltage. What voltage did you need to be stable yogurt?

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Originally Posted by thebluebumblebee

Never had to bump the voltage on mine. Never heard of bumping the voltage on the 2500+ FSB'd to 3200+ until this thread.

tbh I don't remember now it wasn't more than 1 or 2 selections up from stock. I had 3 on different boards (one Nforce 2 Ultra chip, one KT600, one KT880) and each would fail prime95 at ~4 hours when going from 2500 to 3200 on stock voltage. (it should be noted that at the time I had my own shop and these were all out of the same batch). Going up a touch was prime95 stable for 24hours+.

If you're not experiencing any issues I'd leave it be at stock. Just keep it in mind if you do hit the odd error.

Geofrancis · Feb 22, 2013, 08:45 AM

My second ever pc I build back in 2005 was a 2500+ Athlon in an abit kv7 kt600 motherboard and it needed a little extra voltage to get to 2.2ghz (3200+ speeds) and could go all the way to 2.34ghz untill I ran out of fsb on the via chipset due to havin no agp/pci locks

i used to play UT2003 and ut2004 @ 1600x1200 with my FX5200 on my old 21" CRT ah those were the days

fritoking · Feb 22, 2013, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Geofrancis

My second ever pc I build back in 2005 was a 2500+ Athlon in an abit kv7 kt600 motherboard and it needed a little extra voltage to get to 2.2ghz (3200+ speeds) and could go all the way to 2.34ghz untill I ran out of fsb on the via chipset due to havin no agp/pci locks

i used to play UT2003 and ut2004 @ 1600x1200 with my FX5200 on my old 21" CRT ah those were the days

http://geofrancis.ndo.co.uk/comp/side%207.JPG

yeah the barton 2500 and the shuttle board was the first pc i built..it should oc easily to a 3200.

Geofrancis · Feb 24, 2013, 06:16 PM

Unlock it http://www.technobabble.com.au/techn.../amdbarton.htm

Jeffredo · Mar 7, 2013, 06:31 AM

Installed HWMonitor and the CPU temps are taking wild swings - 32-35C at idle and up to 59C while gaming. Does that make sense (or sound right)?

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Dec 26, 2012, 03:01 PM	#27
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Feb 21, 2013, 05:18 PM	#29
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Feb 21, 2013, 04:58 PM	#28
Jeffredo Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northern California Posts: 634 (0.27/day) Thanks: 157 Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts System Specs	Well I finally have it up and running! It was kind of a fun project. I'm still "polishing the turd" with it and would like to get a couple SATA ports for a hard drive and an optical drive. There is a cheap PCI SATA controller card I'm considering, but the CPU is so weak I'm concerned about the card and CPU utilization. Will such a card (in a non-RAID situation) use any CPU resources? This is the one I'm thinking of. Also, I have an Audigy 2 PCI sound card in it. Will having a HD on the PCI Bus mess with its performance?

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Feb 21, 2013, 05:19 PM	#30
yogurt_21 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,057 (1.53/day) Thanks: 2,246 Thanked 542 Times in 443 Posts System Specs	might need to get an old raid controller with its own resources to avoid the cpu utilization. Not sure if any sata port add in cards have any onboard memory/processing. Its a pity the mobo doesn't have any. Nforce2 ultra chipsets did, but I guess not vanilla. Although I'm not sure the cpu utilization would matter all that much. Its not like the card is going to add 20% constant utilization or anything like that, 3-5 max.

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Feb 21, 2013, 06:08 PM	#33
yogurt_21 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,057 (1.53/day) Thanks: 2,246 Thanked 542 Times in 443 Posts System Specs	every 2500 barton (1.83GHZ) I had would hit 3200 (2.2GHZ) speeds without issue. They share the same multiplier so all you had to doo was up the fsb from 166 to 200 and up the voltage a bit. You just need to make sure your bios is full and not an "oem special." Should be plenty. I have an old 2600m that will hit 2.7GHZ on water but its not necessary and certainly not a comfortable 24/7 voltage/temp setting. at 2.2 with a slight bump in voltage the 2500 should be plenty stable for 24/7 use.

Feb 21, 2013, 06:24 PM	#34
Jeffredo Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northern California Posts: 634 (0.27/day) Thanks: 157 Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts System Specs	I have the FSB at 200 right now (3200+) but I left the voltage at 1.65. I haven't gamed with it yet - may try some old games like Divine Divinity and Sacred today to see if it crashes at that voltage. What voltage did you need to be stable yogurt?

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Feb 21, 2013, 11:55 PM	#41
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Feb 22, 2013, 12:07 AM	#42
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Feb 22, 2013, 01:48 AM	#43
Jeffredo Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northern California Posts: 634 (0.27/day) Thanks: 157 Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts System Specs	Do you have Award BIOS (most nForce mobos do)? If so, its under "Advanced Chipset Features"/"FSB Frequency". Again, if you hit "Load Optimized Defaults" in the BIOS that will set it to stock values (unless something is seriously wrong - overheating, etc...).

Feb 22, 2013, 02:30 AM	#44
Krazy Owl Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Montreal Posts: 889 (1.78/day) Thanks: 122 Thanked 77 Times in 54 Posts System Specs	No need its ok I found that nothing can be done with this board. I will give it to a kid instead. Thank you anyway.

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Memory:	8Gb ddr3 1600mhz XMS 3
Video Card:	HD5970 2Gb
Hard Disk:	128Gb Sandisk SATAIII 6G/s
Optical Drive:	2x DVD-RW
CRT/LCD Model:	19" + 23" + 17"
Case:	micro atx case
Sound Card:	Reaktek
PSU:	750W
Software:	Windows 7 x64 Ultimate

System Name:	custom
Processor:	amd phenom II 945 @3.4ghz
Motherboard:	gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P
Cooling:	scythe KATANA3
Memory:	2x2 gb ocz fatality pc2 6400
Video Card:	XFX RADEON HD4850 1GB
Hard Disk:	sataII 320gb, sataII 500 gb
Optical Drive:	LG Supermulti dvdrw
CRT/LCD Model:	HannsG 19 inch ws
Case:	Thermaltake V9 Black
Sound Card:	idt hi def onbard 7.1
PSU:	Rosewill 500 watt
Software:	Windows 7 ultimate

Feb 24, 2013, 06:16 PM	#49
Geofrancis Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: SCOTLAND! Posts: 919 (0.60/day) Thanks: 91 Thanked 137 Times in 106 Posts System Specs	Unlock it http://www.technobabble.com.au/techn.../amdbarton.htm __________________ machine XI Phenom II 965 Black @3.8ghz, 8Gb XMS3 1600, Asus M4A88TD-M EVO/USB3, HD5970, 128gb sandisk SSD, mcubed t-balancer HP EliteBook 2530p SL9400 Core 2 Duo ULV @ 0.9v, 4Gb ddr2, 80Gb Intel X-18m G2, 64Gb express card SSD, Ubiquiti SR71-E 400mw wifi, 21mb HSPA+ ESXI Server Phenom II 1155T, MSI 890FXA-GD70, 12Gb ddr3, IBM M1015 sas, Dell sas 6i, 10 drive 8tb UNRAID array. Old Builds :watercooled matx rig\|Water Cooled ITX rig \|EeePC 701 7" netbook \| ITX Gaming raid build

Mar 7, 2013, 06:31 AM	#50
Jeffredo Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northern California Posts: 634 (0.27/day) Thanks: 157 Thanked 82 Times in 68 Posts System Specs	Installed HWMonitor and the CPU temps are taking wild swings - 32-35C at idle and up to 59C while gaming. Does that make sense (or sound right)?

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