Laptop overclocking adventures

[kwchang007]

Originally Posted by theonetruewill

Yeah real sorry maverick but those temps are bloody high.

For examply mine after a defrag and 2 hours of BF2142 are...
Cpu: 54 (@2.2)
HDD: 30 (@max performance)

But then I have one hell of a cooling pad.

let's see.....after a couple of hours of prime....cpu=50 (i can control the fan) hdd=30 maybe 32. after playing css for a while cpu and gfx are both around 50 hdd is around 32. oh and maverick, if you can afford it get a cooling pad, or use a fan to blow across the hdd, because heat really does kill a hdd. i know personaly (i hate samsung hdd)

[maverick]

Hey guys.... i took a closer look at speedfan, and it shows the temps of my cpu cores and the HDD. Both cores are hovering around 52*C.. and hdd is 48*C... it seems only my GPU is warm. This sounds sort of normal. Also I underclocked my GPU, back to the default settings (425/666) and the temp is staying the same Either that or systool doesnt work properly. Thas why im dling motherboard monitor now (motherboard model Quanta 30B7 65.21)

-maverick

[kwchang007]

Originally Posted by maverick

Hey guys.... i took a closer look at speedfan, and it shows the temps of my cpu cores and the HDD. Both cores are hovering around 52*C.. and hdd is 48*C... it seems only my GPU is warm. This sounds sort of normal. Also I underclocked my GPU, back to the default settings (425/666) and the temp is staying the same Either that or systool doesnt work properly. Thas why im dling motherboard monitor now (motherboard model Quanta 30B7 65.21)

-maverick

it may be that your fan doesn't come on until your cpu reaches a certain temp. i hope it's not like that. maybe it comes on when the gpu hits a certain temp...in your case it would be 75, but that seems way too hot. oh and hdd @48 C for extended periods of time is bad, i had a hdd go bad because of that kind of heat.

[theonetruewill]

Originally Posted by maverick

Hey guys.... i took a closer look at speedfan, and it shows the temps of my cpu cores and the HDD. Both cores are hovering around 52*C.. and hdd is 48*C... it seems only my GPU is warm. This sounds sort of normal. Also I underclocked my GPU, back to the default settings (425/666) and the temp is staying the same Either that or systool doesnt work properly. Thas why im dling motherboard monitor now (motherboard model Quanta 30B7 65.21)

-maverick

Bloody hell! You HDD temps are really dangerously high. Remember that thats also going to heat up other internals as well. Bear in mind that I have my HDD auto shutdown set at 50 degrees. You NEED a cooling pad. Get one with 2-3 fans, and fast, HDD's start having problems in laptops anywhere near 55, so you are dangerously close.

I promise a cooling pad will make all the difference.

EDIT: And Chang, how in hell have you got more posts than me, about a week ago I had about 35 more, lol!

[kwchang007]

Originally Posted by theonetruewill

Bloody hell! You HDD temps are really dangerously high. Remember that thats also going to heat up other internals as well. Bear in mind that I have my HDD auto shutdown set at 50 degrees. You NEED a cooling pad. Get one with 2-3 fans, and fast, HDD's start having problems in laptops anywhere near 55, so you are dangerously close.

I promise a cooling pad will make all the difference.

EDIT: And Chang, how in hell have you got more posts than me, about a week ago I had about 35 more, lol!

lol, im good like that. and mavrick 48 is too hot, well, if you have a samsung hdd. or maybe it was just mine that went bad. you really do need to do something about those temps though, that's high. whatever cools it down by 1 degree already helps keep the hdd cool, and the cooler you can keep the cpu, the longer it lasts. have you undervolted yet?

[theonetruewill]

Originally Posted by kwchang007

lol, im good like that. and mavrick 48 is too hot, well, if you have a samsung hdd. or maybe it was just mine that went bad. you really do need to do something about those temps though, that's high. whatever cools it down by 1 degree already helps keep the hdd cool, and the cooler you can keep the cpu, the longer it lasts. have you undervolted yet?

Good point, maverick go to hard disk on NHC and set everything to the max power saving etc, (ie the ones with the lowest numbers next to them).

Also as Chang said try undervolting your cpu.
Go to NHC > CPU voltage, then try going to the highest mulitplier (mine is 14, but yours will be different) and set it to the voltage below it, this is quite a cool feature actually as you can get chips to overclock with less actual voltage) Howver as you guessed ofc this could make the cpu untable so use the NHC tool to check this and then use Orthos os prime95 etc.
See how low you can go on each multi (as if you've got your cpu on speedstep enabled this will be useless for all the other mulit's which it will more commonly be on) , lets put it this way I can oc to 2Ghz (from 1.86) on an underclock from 1.308 (@multi 14) to 1.208 (@multi 14) instead. However ofc to achieve highest oc you're going to need the default voltage.

Hope that helped
dw btw about your HDD, its just losing you HDD is costly and not worth the risk, coolers are fairly inexpensive too.

[kwchang007]

Originally Posted by theonetruewill

Good point, maverick go to hard disk on NHC and set everything to the max power saving etc, (ie the ones with the lowest numbers next to them).

Also as Chang said try undervolting your cpu.
Go to NHC > CPU voltage, then try going to the highest mulitplier (mine is 14, but yours will be different) and set it to the voltage below it, this is quite a cool feature actually as you can get chips to overclock with less actual voltage) Howver as you guessed ofc this could make the cpu untable so use the NHC tool to check this and then use Orthos os prime95 etc.
See how low you can go on each multi (as if you've got your cpu on speedstep enabled this will be useless for all the other mulit's which it will more commonly be on) , lets put it this way I can oc to 2Ghz (from 1.86) on an underclock from 1.308 (@multi 14) to 1.208 (@multi 14) instead. However ofc to achieve highest oc you're going to need the default voltage.

Hope that helped
dw btw about your HDD, its just losing you HDD is costly and not worth the risk, coolers are fairly inexpensive too.

what i did was i ran prime 95 in the background as i was undervolting, i let it run through the loop like 8 times (whenever it has the break between the "finished....") until i got an error and then just bumped it up a notch, i got mine down from 1.175 to .975 using rmclock (personally i think nhc is better) good luck. but most important for you is if you can drop the lowest multiplier's voltage, i can't on my cpu, but that'll be most effective since your cpu usually is idle till you kick in the games

[theonetruewill]

Originally Posted by kwchang007

what i did was i ran prime 95 in the background as i was undervolting, i let it run through the loop like 8 times (whenever it has the break between the "finished....") until i got an error and then just bumped it up a notch, i got mine down from 1.175 to .975 using rmclock (personally i think nhc is better) good luck. but most important for you is if you can drop the lowest multiplier's voltage, i can't on my cpu, but that'll be most effective since your cpu usually is idle till you kick in the games

0.975?? Your an b****** you know that . Here I am stuck with my slow as hell M 750, and you're at 0.975.......
No but seriously if you go down Chang's quicker (worse!, lol) way then make sure when you think you've got it right you leave orthos/prime95 on for a couple of hours.

Mine goes down to 0.988 minimum! how humiliating!

[kwchang007]

Originally Posted by theonetruewill

0.975?? Your an b****** you know that . Here I am stuck with my slow as hell M 750, and you're at 0.975.......
No but seriously if you go down Cahng's quicker (worse!, lol) way then make sure when you think you've got it right you leave orthos/prime95 on for a couple of hours.

yeah, now if i could only oc this thing......but vista really does slow you down, im .156 sec off my best time in xp. graphics took the worst hit, i dropped about 100 points in 3dmark 03. oh and what's your cpu score in 3dmark? i want to know if our 3ghz p4 beats your cpu. oh, vista has better sound, even for integrated...so if you really like sound, go for vista.

[kwchang007]

Originally Posted by theonetruewill

0.975?? Your an b****** you know that . Here I am stuck with my slow as hell M 750, and you're at 0.975.......
No but seriously if you go down Chang's quicker (worse!, lol) way then make sure when you think you've got it right you leave orthos/prime95 on for a couple of hours.

Mine goes down to 0.988 minimum! how humiliating!

oh yes, i missed the last part, i only did that too find a voltage that was stable for a bit. once you find that, you really do want it to run for at least an hour, which reminds me...i probably should retest it, i just decided to see if i could go one under .988, so 2 hours of prime95, but with dual core i can still use the comp

[theonetruewill]

Originally Posted by kwchang007

yeah, now if i could only oc this thing......but vista really does slow you down, im .156 sec off my best time in xp. graphics took the worst hit, i dropped about 100 points in 3dmark 03. oh and what's your cpu score in 3dmark? i want to know if our 3ghz p4 beats your cpu. oh, vista has better sound, even for integrated...so if you really like sound, go for vista.

Will check it now.

[theonetruewill]

876 @2.2

Sorry, Forgot To Change To 2.25
A pentium 4 only beats Pentium M in DVD encoding, as the Pentium M, like Athlon64's has a very short pipeline and thus is actually better for for gaming than the P4 clock for clock by quite a bit.

Its why people were surprised when lowe end dual core pentium D's weren't good at gaming at standard speeds. They had been told how brillinat the new dual core idea was but actually it was just two p4's stuck together and thus was pretty good at DVD encoding but bad for gaming at low clock speeds in terms of the P4. Thats why only high end (and thus high-clocked, which compensates) and oc'd PD's were any good at gaming...... I'm a neek, lol

[kwchang007]

Originally Posted by theonetruewill

876 @2.2

Sorry, Forgot To Change To 2.25
A pentium 4 only beats Pentium M in DVD encoding, as the Pentium M, like Athlon64's has a very short pipeline and thus is actually better for for gaming than the P4 clock for clock by quite a bit.

Its why people were surprised when lowe end dual core pentium D's weren't good at gaming at standard speeds. They had been told how brillinat the new dual core idea was but actually it was just two p4's stuck together and thus was pretty good at DVD encoding but bad for gaming at low clock speeds in terms of the P4. Thats why only high end (and thus high-clocked, which compensates) and oc'd PD's were any good at gaming...... I'm a neek, lol

lol yup as i thought, your cpu kills the p4. 876 to 596....dang....but core 2 rules all!!!! lol

[myke66]

Alienware m9700

2.2ghz turion OC'ed 2.3ghz
1.5gig ram
single 7900GS oc'ed from 375/500 to 420/680
Vista Home Premium

Default settings 3Dmark06 3417
OC'ed video card, 3775.
OC'ed video card and processor, 3810
Clocked this way, my processor didnt hit over 72degrees, and my GPU didnt reach past 69 degrees.

[kwchang007]

Originally Posted by myke66

Alienware m9700

2.2ghz turion OC'ed 2.3ghz
1.5gig ram
single 7900GS oc'ed from 375/500 to 420/680
Vista Home Premium

Default settings 3Dmark06 3417
OC'ed video card, 3775.
OC'ed video card and processor, 3810
Clocked this way, my processor didnt hit over 72degrees, and my GPU didnt reach past 69 degrees.

is that C or F? b/c if that's C i believe that's quite hot.

[myke66]

F

[kwchang007]

Originally Posted by myke66

F

wow! that's a really cool running laptop. i know for sure that mine couldn't keep those temps, oh and just wondering, how many fans does your laptop have?

[myke66]

i think two, one on cpu and one on GPU, im not all to sure about laptop internals, but i know it uses heatpipes and sinks pretty well. Alienware did an amazing job keeping this thing cool. anyparts your actually touch are cool to the touch. only the bottem gets really warm.

[kwchang007]

Originally Posted by myke66

i think two, one on cpu and one on GPU, im not all to sure about laptop internals, but i know it uses heatpipes and sinks pretty well. Alienware did an amazing job keeping this thing cool. anyparts your actually touch are cool to the touch. only the bottem gets really warm.

that's impressive only 2 heatpipes/fans i bet the memory gets warm, that's why the bottom gets warmer than the rest of the laptop, it's the same with mine (except i only have one fan for cpu/gpu)

[theonetruewill]

Originally Posted by kwchang007

that's impressive only 2 heatpipes/fans i bet the memory gets warm, that's why the bottom gets warmer than the rest of the laptop, it's the same with mine (except i only have one fan for cpu/gpu)

Its probably the HDD thats making the bottom warm. Its the largest part in the laptop (excl. motherboard) and if it gets hot it heats up the whole laptop.

But I must say you have a wonderful laptop myke, care to post some pics please

[kwchang007]

Originally Posted by theonetruewill

Its probably the HDD thats making the bottom warm. Its the largest part in the laptop (excl. motherboard) and if it gets hot it heats up the whole laptop.

But I must say you have a wonderful laptop myke, care to post some pics please

oh yeahh that's right, i forgot, cause of my wonderful cheap fan. my hdd is now the coolest part of my laptop, i really really like this fan.

[theonetruewill]

Originally Posted by myke66

F

Well AMD's do run cooler... but yes those temps are exceptionally low.

[kwchang007]

Originally Posted by theonetruewill

Well AMD's do run cooler... but yes those temps are exceptionally low.

they do? interesting, you wouldn't happen to know why my pcmark score is like 5800? i hope it's not vista being gay....

[myke66]

sure, be happy too.





i could take pictures myself, but those are better angles then i could do =P

also, those scores are with a single GPU, when alienware puts out SLi drivers for vista....oh man, i cant wait. almost 4k 3dmark06 on a single card....

Also, its not the RAM that gets the hottest, or even the HDD, its the processor that produces the most head. The bottem where one of the HDD bays are never get hots to the touch actually, the top right where the CPU is gets very hot, along with the GPU.

here, i actually have a picture of the internals..

[myke66]

one more picture, just to show what i was talking about..