Core 2 Clubhouse - Page 4

HellasVagabond · Apr 25, 2007, 08:10 PM

C2D 6600

Gigabyte 965-DQ6
3530mhz / 1.37v
9x392mhz @ 4-4-4-10 / 2.1v
29-30 degrees idle
55 Full Load 3xOrthos
24/7 Rock Stable
Scythe Infinity with 2x12' Fans - Push And Pull

Tatty_One · Apr 25, 2007, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tigger69

nice to see you got a connie tatty,3.XXghz is good anyway,connies rock at 3.anything.

1.475 is a high power tho' for that oc,mine does 500fsb(3.5ghz) at only 1.325vcore.

welcome to the connie club tho'.

p.s-any chance of some science mark scores?

I know, thats my point, am not sure if it's just the chip or if I have got some settings wrong, am still playing at the moment, will post some Sceincemark in the next couple of days.

HellasVagabond · Apr 25, 2007, 10:19 PM

The Build version of the CPU counts alot as to what Voltages and Overclocks it can get.

Tatty_One · Apr 25, 2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HellasVagabond

The Build version of the CPU counts alot as to what Voltages and Overclocks it can get.

Yeah I know, maybe I just have crap stepping, if thats the case this one's going on fleabay and I will get me one of the new ones when they come out next month. At the moment, because I dont like 1.475V 24/7 i will just use the 3.3Gig for benches, I am running volts on auto and its taking 1.4V to give me 3.1Gig!! so thats what I am running at moment with memory unlinked at 1000Mhz 4-5-4-12 @1T but have not memtested that yet so may not be fully stable

tkpenalty · Apr 26, 2007, 06:49 AM

Oh geez... stupid piece of shit RAM doesnt like overclocking past 800Mhz... thats the max i can push it. Its weird, I boosted the voltage by +12.5mV, FSB 450, and whaddya know, it doesnt post... Set the RAM to 2:3... no boot.

Tatty_One · Apr 26, 2007, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkpenalty

Oh geez... stupid piece of shit RAM doesnt like overclocking past 800Mhz... thats the max i can push it. Its weird, I boosted the voltage by +12.5mV, FSB 450, and whaddya know, it doesnt post... Set the RAM to 2:3... no boot.

Timings? Max everything.

tkpenalty · Apr 26, 2007, 08:42 AM

yep D:

Tatty_One · Apr 26, 2007, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkpenalty

yep D:

Sometimes too much voltage on value type ram will stop the post, have you tried the higher speeds at the loosest timings you can get out of your BIOS on just a little above stock volts?

HellasVagabond · Apr 26, 2007, 08:12 PM

You wont see any difference wether you run the memories at 780mhz and 4-4-4-12 or at 850mhz and 5-5-5-15.

Tatty_One · Apr 26, 2007, 09:01 PM

[QUOTE=HellasVagabond;323047]You wont see any difference wether you run the memories at 780mhz and 4-4-4-12 or at 850mhz and 5-5-5-15.

There is a difference but I agree only a little, I am new to DDR2 and have just got a new rig so am playing/benching at different memory speeds/timings, it really depends on application, at 800Mhz for example my memory will do 4-3-3-10, if I crank them to 900Mhz but go 4-4-4-12 I see as you have said, little difference in 3D Mark 2006 or SuperPi but I do see a little more difference in Sceincemark, it would seem there that it prefers higher clocks to lower latencies.

tkpenalty · Apr 27, 2007, 01:12 PM

2.00V is death for my RAM...

Tatty_One · Apr 27, 2007, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkpenalty

2.00V is death for my RAM...

Lol mine stocks at 2.2V, but hey, you have a nice improvement over what you thought you had a week ago......bonus!

HellasVagabond · Apr 27, 2007, 09:23 PM

SuperPI is the only real Ram Bench.
Try them at 780mhz and 4-4-4-10 or 4-3-3-10 whatever is stable and then at 850mhz and 4-4-4-12 or 5-5-5-15.
I got 14.546 with the 850mhz and 14.625 with 780mhz.
To me it aint worth OCing the Ram since the difference just aint there.

Ketxxx · May 17, 2007, 11:58 AM

I want to be a member

malware · May 18, 2007, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ketxxx

I want to be a member

Welcome to the dark side.

pt · May 18, 2007, 10:11 AM

nooooooo
is there a way for me to suicide bomb myself this club?

Tatty_One · May 18, 2007, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pt

nooooooo
is there a way for me to suicide bomb myself this club?

No need PT, pass me the device and I will bring it in.........BANG!

Although my E6600 should arrive soon!

pt · May 18, 2007, 11:22 AM

i will give it you then, so the dar.side don't get you

Ketxxx · May 18, 2007, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by malware

Welcome to the dark side.

Fun to be here

please protect me from all those mean AMD green men that want to hurt me..

tkpenalty · May 19, 2007, 01:06 PM

lol...

Man 2.8Ghz, is a barrier for me, anything higher never works, the RAM rejects running at 2:3 as well...

Tatty_One · May 19, 2007, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkpenalty

lol...

Man 2.8Ghz, is a barrier for me, anything higher never works, the RAM rejects running at 2:3 as well...

Really? You have had some issues with your rig, we need to sit down and go thru a few things....see if we can improve things for you.

[I.R.A]_FBi · May 20, 2007, 04:59 AM

hey. im the owner of an E6400 ona AB9Pro ... carried the FSB to 333 once ... but i life in a tropical country (Jamaica) so it wasnt exactly cool and i stopped... was waiting on a vid card, PSU (coolmax 550w) and a freezer 7 but the got "lost" at the P.O. so im waiting on an insurance payment and im back in business

have a 2 GB kit of this ...

http://www.geilusa.com/products/show/id/65

erocker · May 20, 2007, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [I.R.A]_FBi

hey. im the owner of an E6400 ona AB9Pro ... carried the FSB to 333 once ... but i life in a tropical country (Jamaica) so it wasnt exactly cool and i stopped... was waiting on a vid card, PSU (coolmax 550w) and a freezer 7 but the got "lost" at the P.O. so im waiting on an insurance payment and im back in business

have a 2 GB kit of this ...

http://www.geilusa.com/products/show/id/65

I LOVE Jamaica!!! I've heard some good stuff about that RAM. You will be very happy with that freezer 7 in the tropics. What were your temperatures when you overclocked?

[I.R.A]_FBi · May 20, 2007, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erocker

I LOVE Jamaica!!! I've heard some good stuff about that RAM. You will be very happy with that freezer 7 in the tropics. What were your temperatures when you overclocked?

Thanks, the country nice iyah. Well i didnt get the freezer, the USPS "misplaced" it .. still waiting for my insurance payout so i can cop another. temps were like 59 on the stock cooler with cracking stock paste ... since cleaned the heatsink and replaced it with artic silver but the lack of a videocard is holding me from further testing.

erocker · May 20, 2007, 05:11 AM

Well, Tk since you posted my picture with my "questionable" cable management, does that mean I'm automatically in this club too?! That would make me an AMD infiltrator! It's almost new computer time anyways, and was wondering besides having more L2 cache, are the 6320's and 6420's any better for OCing, or worse than the 6300 and 6400's? I would like to run something at a relatively high stable overclock all of the time and I'm kinda on a budget (price/value know what I mean?), so I'm looking at the lower end of the spectrum, but I'd go as high as a 6600. Way to be making clubs Tk!

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Apr 26, 2007, 06:49 AM	#80
tkpenalty Eligible for custom title Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Australia, Sydney Posts: 5,023 (2.07/day) Thanks: 412 Thanked 361 Times in 266 Posts System Specs	Oh geez... stupid piece of shit RAM doesnt like overclocking past 800Mhz... thats the max i can push it. Its weird, I boosted the voltage by +12.5mV, FSB 450, and whaddya know, it doesnt post... Set the RAM to 2:3... no boot. __________________ AMD Radeon X1950~HD4000 Support Clubhouse “Mac: "Woah, what are you doing?" Mac says as he levitates in the air. PC: "Playing Half-Life 2, this is my gravity gun." Mac: "Well I can sort of do that." PC: "Technically Mac, you have to become me first."” -From_Nowhere

Apr 25, 2007, 08:10 PM	#76
HellasVagabond Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Athens , GREECE Posts: 2,695 (1.16/day) Thanks: 14 Thanked 168 Times in 140 Posts System Specs	C2D 6600 Gigabyte 965-DQ6 3530mhz / 1.37v 9x392mhz @ 4-4-4-10 / 2.1v 29-30 degrees idle 55 Full Load 3xOrthos 24/7 Rock Stable Scythe Infinity with 2x12' Fans - Push And Pull

Apr 25, 2007, 10:19 PM	#78
HellasVagabond Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Athens , GREECE Posts: 2,695 (1.16/day) Thanks: 14 Thanked 168 Times in 140 Posts System Specs	The Build version of the CPU counts alot as to what Voltages and Overclocks it can get.

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Apr 26, 2007, 08:42 AM	#82
tkpenalty Eligible for custom title Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Australia, Sydney Posts: 5,023 (2.07/day) Thanks: 412 Thanked 361 Times in 266 Posts System Specs	yep D: __________________ AMD Radeon X1950~HD4000 Support Clubhouse “Mac: "Woah, what are you doing?" Mac says as he levitates in the air. PC: "Playing Half-Life 2, this is my gravity gun." Mac: "Well I can sort of do that." PC: "Technically Mac, you have to become me first."” -From_Nowhere

Apr 26, 2007, 08:12 PM	#84
HellasVagabond Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Athens , GREECE Posts: 2,695 (1.16/day) Thanks: 14 Thanked 168 Times in 140 Posts System Specs	You wont see any difference wether you run the memories at 780mhz and 4-4-4-12 or at 850mhz and 5-5-5-15.

Apr 26, 2007, 09:01 PM	#85
Tatty_One Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Worcestershire, UK Posts: 12,740 (4.75/day) Thanks: 1,093 Thanked 1,934 Times in 1,436 Posts System Specs	[QUOTE=HellasVagabond;323047]You wont see any difference wether you run the memories at 780mhz and 4-4-4-12 or at 850mhz and 5-5-5-15. There is a difference but I agree only a little, I am new to DDR2 and have just got a new rig so am playing/benching at different memory speeds/timings, it really depends on application, at 800Mhz for example my memory will do 4-3-3-10, if I crank them to 900Mhz but go 4-4-4-12 I see as you have said, little difference in 3D Mark 2006 or SuperPi but I do see a little more difference in Sceincemark, it would seem there that it prefers higher clocks to lower latencies. __________________

Apr 27, 2007, 01:12 PM	#86
tkpenalty Eligible for custom title Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Australia, Sydney Posts: 5,023 (2.07/day) Thanks: 412 Thanked 361 Times in 266 Posts System Specs	2.00V is death for my RAM... __________________ AMD Radeon X1950~HD4000 Support Clubhouse “Mac: "Woah, what are you doing?" Mac says as he levitates in the air. PC: "Playing Half-Life 2, this is my gravity gun." Mac: "Well I can sort of do that." PC: "Technically Mac, you have to become me first."” -From_Nowhere

Apr 27, 2007, 09:23 PM	#88
HellasVagabond Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Athens , GREECE Posts: 2,695 (1.16/day) Thanks: 14 Thanked 168 Times in 140 Posts System Specs	SuperPI is the only real Ram Bench. Try them at 780mhz and 4-4-4-10 or 4-3-3-10 whatever is stable and then at 850mhz and 4-4-4-12 or 5-5-5-15. I got 14.546 with the 850mhz and 14.625 with 780mhz. To me it aint worth OCing the Ram since the difference just aint there.

May 17, 2007, 11:58 AM	#89
Ketxxx Eligible for custom title Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kingdom of gods Posts: 6,380 (2.42/day) Thanks: 35 Thanked 580 Times in 412 Posts System Specs	I want to be a member __________________ WARNING: I am cracking down on stupidity in the forums. Anyone caught making a dumb statement clearly not knowing many, if any of the facts, will promptly be directed to xtremesystems. Sig edited. If anyone wants to know about the E4400 (E7200 sold) drop me a PM

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May 18, 2007, 10:11 AM	#91
pt not a suicide-bomber Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 5,877 (2.24/day) Thanks: 106 Thanked 219 Times in 193 Posts System Specs	nooooooo is there a way for me to suicide bomb myself this club? __________________ [img disabled]http://apax.eveonlinekb.com/?a=sig&i=39051&s=zealot[/img]

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May 18, 2007, 11:22 AM	#93
pt not a suicide-bomber Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 5,877 (2.24/day) Thanks: 106 Thanked 219 Times in 193 Posts System Specs	i will give it you then, so the dar.side don't get you __________________ [img disabled]http://apax.eveonlinekb.com/?a=sig&i=39051&s=zealot[/img]

May 19, 2007, 01:06 PM	#95
tkpenalty Eligible for custom title Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Australia, Sydney Posts: 5,023 (2.07/day) Thanks: 412 Thanked 361 Times in 266 Posts System Specs	lol... Man 2.8Ghz, is a barrier for me, anything higher never works, the RAM rejects running at 2:3 as well... __________________ AMD Radeon X1950~HD4000 Support Clubhouse “Mac: "Woah, what are you doing?" Mac says as he levitates in the air. PC: "Playing Half-Life 2, this is my gravity gun." Mac: "Well I can sort of do that." PC: "Technically Mac, you have to become me first."” -From_Nowhere

May 20, 2007, 04:59 AM	#97
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May 20, 2007, 05:11 AM	#100
erocker Senior Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Milwaukee, WI. Posts: 31,912 (12.77/day) Thanks: 2,783 Thanked 12,275 Times in 7,814 Posts System Specs	Well, Tk since you posted my picture with my "questionable" cable management, does that mean I'm automatically in this club too?! That would make me an AMD infiltrator! It's almost new computer time anyways, and was wondering besides having more L2 cache, are the 6320's and 6420's any better for OCing, or worse than the 6300 and 6400's? I would like to run something at a relatively high stable overclock all of the time and I'm kinda on a budget (price/value know what I mean?), so I'm looking at the lower end of the spectrum, but I'd go as high as a 6600. Way to be making clubs Tk!

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