AMD to introduce 45nm process AM3 CPU family in 2H08

D_o_S · Jun 25, 2007, 03:09 PM

AMD schedules to launch its 45nm process socket AM3 family processors in the second half of 2008. The processors will support HyperTransport 3.0 and will have a built-in DDR2/DDR3 memory controller. The processors will be backwards compatible with the previous AM2 and AM2+ socket motherboards, according to sources at motherboard makers.

AMD's AM3 family will include the quad-core Deneb and DenebFX, dual-core Propus and Regor, and single-core Sargas. Shipments of 45nm products are predicted to surpass those of 65nm products within half a year from launch, noted the sources.

Although Socket AM3 processors will be backwards compatible with previous socket AM2 and AM2+ motherboards, socket AM3 motherboards will not be able to support the previous socket AM2 and AM2+ processors. Therefore shipment volumes of socket AM3 motherboards will depend on the speed of transition to DDR3 memory, added the sources.

Source: Digitimes

Dippyskoodlez · Jun 25, 2007, 03:14 PM

hmm.

I'll decide when they come to market...

pt · Jun 25, 2007, 03:16 PM

good news

russianboy · Jun 25, 2007, 03:32 PM

yay

WarEagleAU · Jun 25, 2007, 03:47 PM

seems AMD has been listening and will move to DDR3. I was kinda hoping they would and they wouldnt. DDR2 is now just so freaking dirt cheap. I suspect this will also lower prices for DDR3 as well. I cant wait. Im gonna go AM2 (as I dont see any AM2+ mobos or chips out yet) towards the latter part of the year. Of course, Ill probably just move to a new AM3 mobo and processor when they debut next year. AMD FTW!!!!

Solaris17 · Jun 25, 2007, 04:17 PM

i think ill go AM3 but i think ill keep my mobo depending on if they update the bios to support 45nm if they do ill but the socket converter or w/e to use it.

EastCoasthandle · Jun 25, 2007, 04:19 PM

What difference does that make if performance is not different or there is no reductions of heat, etc? Some people forget that die shrinks only help reduce manufacturing costs. Unless there is something arch difference between 60nm and 45nm it's pointless to assume something "good" from the Consumer's point of view. Heck, you are still at their discretion to actually lower the price. There is nothing automatic here that will benefit the consumer, if so please link me.

Jannu · Jun 25, 2007, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarEagleAU

seems AMD has been listening and will move to DDR3. I was kinda hoping they would and they wouldnt. DDR2 is now just so freaking dirt cheap. I suspect this will also lower prices for DDR3 as well. I cant wait. Im gonna go AM2 (as I dont see any AM2+ mobos or chips out yet) towards the latter part of the year. Of course, Ill probably just move to a new AM3 mobo and processor when they debut next year. AMD FTW!!!!

AM2+ motherboard: Biostar TF560 A2+

Quote:

Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

What difference does that make if performance is not different or there is no reductions of heat, etc? Some people forget that die shrinks only help reduce manufacturing costs. Unless there is something arch difference between 60nm and 45nm it's pointless to assume something "good" from the Consumer's point of view. Heck, you are still at their discretion to actually lower the price. There is nothing automatic here that will benefit the consumer, if so please link me.

65nm vs 90nm: neoseeker review
Shows reduced power consumption pretty well I think.

I love those names, Regor, Sargas,

Solaris17 · Jun 25, 2007, 04:24 PM

a lower NM usualluy means it disapates heat much much better thus if you hacv e a crazy cooling system youll see lower temps resualting in better over clocking seeing as if you look at it generation spacifically you see better silicon purity and quality...

130nm Worst
90nm Oc'd better
60nm Better than B4
45nm follow the line

that is why 45nm is hyped.

Dippyskoodlez · Jun 25, 2007, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

What difference does that make if performance is not different or there is no reductions of heat, etc? Some people forget that die shrinks only help reduce manufacturing costs. Unless there is something arch difference between 60nm and 45nm it's pointless to assume something "good" from the Consumer's point of view. Heck, you are still at their discretion to actually lower the price. There is nothing automatic here that will benefit the consumer, if so please link me.

Overclocking.

My 90nm cpu hits 3ghz without trying and produces little heat.

65nm will follow suit, 45nm will follow suit, as will everything else that has happened in the past.

If you haven't been paying attention, you would think theres nothing good.. but a process shrink is a wonderful thing for many many reasons.

ESPECIALLY reducing manufacturing costs.

Judas · Jun 25, 2007, 04:56 PM

Come on AMD... i want to beat those conies

erocker · Jun 25, 2007, 05:31 PM

That's great AMD! But where in the hell is your competition now? Look like next year is going to be AMD's year, but this year and last are total duds.

jocksteeluk · Jun 25, 2007, 05:38 PM

i am interested to see if AMD tries to challenge Intel for price as well as performance or if they are once again try to create a pricing prestige for the midrange and higher end chips.

demonbrawn · Jun 25, 2007, 05:38 PM

They might not have been total duds, but they sure didn't bang like they should've. This should be good news for AMD.

Easy Rhino · Jun 25, 2007, 06:48 PM

i am soooooo far behind with my s939

demonbrawn · Jun 25, 2007, 06:55 PM

I know, it just seems to go by so fast now. I just gave up my 939 last month.

russianboy · Jun 25, 2007, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

i am soooooo far behind with my s939

lets form the S939 users club

FreedomEclipse · Jun 25, 2007, 07:23 PM

Im still on a 939 :P {X2}3800+ still on 2.6Ghz stable

I will possibly seek to upgrade after xmas sometime otherwise the only thing i can really ask for as an SLi setup as im still running 1 single X1800XT

mandelore · Jun 25, 2007, 07:30 PM

I posted this news here:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=33603

source image taken from vr-zone:

Easy Rhino · Jun 25, 2007, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreedomEclipse

Im still on a 939 :P {X2}3800+ still on 2.6Ghz stable

I will possibly seek to upgrade after xmas sometime otherwise the only thing i can really ask for as an SLi setup as im still running 1 single X1800XT

hehe. when i put my rig together a year ago i got the x1800xt 512 thinking i would buy another one to form crossfire by early 07. now its not worth it since dx10 stuff is out.

it is very hard to keep up when you are living on a realistic budget. (i.e. mortgage, car payment, utilities, student loan)

mandelore · Jun 25, 2007, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

hehe. when i put my rig together a year ago i got the x1800xt 512 thinking i would buy another one to form crossfire by early 07. now its not worth it since dx10 stuff is out.

it is very hard to keep up when you are living on a realistic budget. (i.e. mortgage, car payment, utilities, student loan)

hell knows i feel ya pain, really wanna upgrade, butcan only manage a new gfx card, and thats credit card and selling stuff to cover it ^^ least its a 1gb 2900 so it will see me for quite some time methinks

bigboi86 · Jun 25, 2007, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solaris17

a lower NM usualluy means it disapates heat much much better thus if you hacv e a crazy cooling system youll see lower temps resualting in better over clocking seeing as if you look at it generation spacifically you see better silicon purity and quality...

130nm Worst
90nm Oc'd better
60nm Better than B4
45nm follow the line

that is why 45nm is hyped.

You're close but a smaller process doesn't dissipate heat better, it just doesn't create as much heat in the first place.

The dissipation of heat depends on the cooling.

Easy Rhino · Jun 25, 2007, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mandelore

hell knows i feel ya pain, really wanna upgrade, butcan only manage a new gfx card, and thats credit card and selling stuff to cover it ^^ least its a 1gb 2900 so it will see me for quite some time methinks

haha we should form a club. i can also only afford a new graphics and am thinking the same ddr4 card when it comes out. the xtx model or something that will last me until dx 11.

ill also be selling some stuff cheap to help ease the burden but now im concerned that this 3800+ will bottleneck a fast card like the 2900. so i dont know what to do.

hat · Jun 25, 2007, 10:01 PM

I'm on socket 478

And when I do eventually get 775, which my uncle will probably give me, cause I don't really have any intention of upgrading anytime soon, they will have a new socket, probably with quad core being mainstream, and the mid-range proc being 3GHz

Sovereign · Jun 25, 2007, 10:39 PM

* patiently waits for his Phenom *

Looks like the Sparta core sempys will be out soon...

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Memory:	3x2GB DDR3 1600 10-10-10-30-128-1T 1.5v // 2x2GB DDR3 1333 9-9-9-24-1T 1.5v
Video Card:	HIS Radeon 5870 // BFG Maxcore 55 GTX260
Hard Disk:	Plextor M5S 128GB + 512GB OCZ Agility 4 + 2TB WD20EARS // WDC Black 500GB
Optical Drive:	SATA DVD-RW // IDE CD-RW
CRT/LCD Model:	Dell/Alienware AW2310 + 19" HDTV // 19" HDTV
Case:	Antec SOHO 1030B // some really old white case... but it's decent
Sound Card:	Creative X-Fi Fatality Professional // onboard (disabled)
PSU:	Antec NeoHe 550W // Corsair CX600w
Software:	Windows 7 Home Premium x64 // Windows 7 Home Premium x64
Benchmarks:	zunn zunnzunn zunn zunn

Jun 25, 2007, 10:39 PM	#25
Sovereign Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Midwest USA Posts: 717 (0.31/day) Thanks: 50 Thanked 65 Times in 51 Posts System Specs	* patiently waits for his Phenom * Looks like the Sparta core sempys will be out soon... __________________ [SOVEREIGN'S uATX HTPC : OPTERON 1216 @ 2.8Ghz] [CURRENT STABLE OC : *3.0Ghz & 2GB MEM] [POWERED BY* : AMD/ATI \| CRUCIAL \| nVIDIA™] PCs are a lot like air conditioners - they both work great until you open up windows!