BioShock has 2 installs.

Chewy · Aug 22, 2007, 10:14 AM

So you legit copy buys have 2 installs on one hardware machine/system.. than so they make more $$ to combat the pirates.. you have to BUY another copy.. what a friggn joke of a company if you ask me disgusting.

http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5527

check out page 5 too.

DanTheBanjoman · Aug 22, 2007, 10:43 AM

How does one make a customer angry...

They're also killing their product to be used as a benchmark and such since those are run on countless systems. And being used as a benchmark helps sales too.

Darknova · Aug 22, 2007, 10:43 AM

That's disgraceful....I never intended to buy it anyway (doesn't interest me) but this is pathetic.

Well just wait until they crack it and remove the protection (that's what I do, even if I own the game).

average.. · Aug 22, 2007, 11:05 AM

yea that really sucks.. buy and install the game a couple weeks later you get the money for them 8800GT's you wanted but now you cant play the game cos it complains of hardware change.
It's a shame the way they use technology, If i have two pc's why should I be forced to buy the game twice just to have the freedom of choice in my own home tow hich PC i feel like playing on.

*reading the other forums claims you get two installs. even if you install it on a dual boot system, with xp and vista that still counts as two installs meaning the plastic you just paid for is usless reinstall windows and you are left with nothing. just the options to re buy the game get a cracked copy or pay the same cost as the game in phone bills rining customer support.

i was not planing on buying the game in the first place, but its safe to say i will be avoiding this at all cost... I genrally avoid any game that uses securom. and this move im sure will only increase the pirate copies and hurt their sales.

W1zzard · Aug 22, 2007, 11:28 AM

that doesnt combat piracy .. it actually helps them .. people will download the cracked game and not have any of those issues

tigger · Aug 22, 2007, 11:29 AM

does this still apply if i buy it on steam,which uses no disc?

pt · Aug 22, 2007, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

that doesnt combat piracy .. it actually helps them .. people will download the cracked game and not have any of those issues

true, cracked versions usually doesn't have all those bullshit to "prevent" piracy

average.. · Aug 22, 2007, 11:56 AM

im not sure about steam, they still use securom but i think its used in a different way.

I just read this on "digg" i think its called.

Quote:

Despite buying legal copies on the scheduled day of release, PC owners are unable to play Bioshock because the SecuROM activation servers have not been turned on by 2k.

which is just more BS created by anti-piracy software. I think this games manafacture has reached a new low on many levels with this release...

followed by my favourite quote

Quote:

This is why I am waiting for the pirated version... Pirated software just works....

EviLZeD · Aug 22, 2007, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tigger69

does this still apply if i buy it on steam,which uses no disc?

someone on the 2k forum said they installed the steam version 3 times and its worked perfectly fine.

Darknova · Aug 22, 2007, 12:04 PM

Steam games are tied to your user account NOT your hardware or setup. So even though you can install on another PC, you won't be able to play it without your account details.

There is no other copy-protection on Steam games except for that.

Dippyskoodlez · Aug 22, 2007, 12:12 PM

I love it.

They get a bombshell of a game.

And put it in a wheelchair before it even gets a chance.

GFG.

GJ 2k, your anti-piracy tactics just raped your wallet.

Not buying your shit game now. Securom can bite me.

They just lost money. I'm pirating this one.

INSTG8R · Aug 22, 2007, 12:33 PM

Man Im sure glad I went with the Steam version...

newtekie1 · Aug 22, 2007, 01:32 PM

That does suck, but don't most games that use SecuRom usually release a patch a few months down the road to remove it? I thought even the company behind SecuRom recommended game companies do that since copy protection is usually only effective in slowing down piracy in roughly the first month of the game release.

KennyT772 · Aug 22, 2007, 02:07 PM

It's really funny how this will affect the game. Many people will buy the game not knowing about that, once they install it twice they are just going to pirate it and stick it up 2k's ass.

You are right about that, pirated software always just works. You may have to set it up a certain way but you can always get it going.

Dippyskoodlez · Aug 22, 2007, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyT772

You may have to set it up a certain way but you can always get it going.

And a lot of time it works better than the legit version.

KennyT772 · Aug 22, 2007, 02:57 PM

Yep, theres no steam activation, no securom, no nothing. Hell you don't even need to find your disk to play!

Hell every game I do buy I download the iso's for it also. I hate digging for game cd's.

Oliver_FF · Aug 22, 2007, 03:02 PM

Quote:

hey guys,

first, let me say this. you DO NOT NEED TO USE THE INTERNET EVERY TIME YOU PLAY THIS GAME. it is only the first time.

second, you can uninstall and reinstall this game, and if, by chance, you have 2 computers you want to simultaneously play this game on, you also can do that.

if by some chance you are reinstalling this game without uninstalling it first, a lot, there is a chance you may have to call securom and get a key, or deactivate some older installations.

but if you upgrade your hardware next week, you'll still be able to play the game. if you revamp your system and need to reinstall bioshock, just uninstall it before you go through the overhaul, and then do your reinstall.

calling it "hardware fingerprinting" is a bit alarmist. we do not transmit any of your data to any companies.

really, the only people who will be concerned about any of these security measures are those who are rapidly putting bioshock on many pcs... if you use the game as you normally do, you won't notice this at all.

That's on page 12 of the thread linked in the first post, and posted by an admin on the forum...

So... it seems to imply that when you uninstall the game, you get 1 more opportunity to reinstall?

[edit]
Looks like Steam is screwing people over too...

http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...=589874&page=2
[/edit]

Dippyskoodlez · Aug 22, 2007, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_FF

That's on page 12 of the thread linked in the first post, and posted by an admin on the forum...

So... it seems to imply that when you uninstall the game, you get 1 more opportunity to reinstall?

[edit]
Looks like Steam is screwing people over too...

http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...=589874&page=2
[/edit]

Screw that.

I don't want to have to call anyone.

I don't do it with windows, and I'm sure as hell not doing it with a game.

What if I'm in iraq? do they accept long distance calls?

Bob The Fish · Aug 22, 2007, 03:16 PM

Yep steam and normal PC version limited to 2 activation. No more, at this point. 2K has not made any offical anousments about this and much to my scagim i all ready bought the PC version.

Dippyskoodlez · Aug 22, 2007, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob The Fish

Yep steam and normal PC version limited to 2 activation. No more, at this point. 2K has not made any offical anousments about this and much to my scagim i all ready bought the PC version.

Yep.

People are lashing back hard on this one.

Wonder if 2k could sue for losses?

Bob The Fish · Aug 22, 2007, 03:27 PM

Quote from: Administrator 2K Elizabeth from 2K games.

hey guys,

first, let me say this. you DO NOT NEED TO USE THE INTERNET EVERY TIME YOU PLAY THIS GAME. it is only the first time.

second, you can uninstall and reinstall this game, and if, by chance, you have 2 computers you want to simultaneously play this game on, you also can do that.

if by some chance you are reinstalling this game without uninstalling it first, a lot, there is a chance you may have to call securom and get a key, or deactivate some older installations.

but if you upgrade your hardware next week, you'll still be able to play the game. if you revamp your system and need to reinstall bioshock, just uninstall it before you go through the overhaul, and then do your reinstall.

calling it "hardware fingerprinting" is a bit alarmist. we do not transmit any of your data to any companies.

really, the only people who will be concerned about any of these security measures are those who are rapidly putting bioshock on many pcs... if you use the game as you normally do, you won't notice this at all.

Link to post http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/sho...t=5527&page=12 look at the bottom.

Dippyskoodlez · Aug 22, 2007, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob The Fish

Quote from: Administrator 2K Elizabeth from 2K games.

hey guys,

first, let me say this. you DO NOT NEED TO USE THE INTERNET EVERY TIME YOU PLAY THIS GAME. it is only the first time.

Almost decent damage control.

Too bad it doesn't cover the issues that people are concerned about.

2kgames is gonna burn for this one.

Ketxxx · Aug 22, 2007, 03:37 PM

*sniff sniff* I smell bullshit. I was mildly curious about Bioshock, now it can just kiss my arse.

scoutingwraith · Aug 22, 2007, 04:09 PM

And i am so happy i did not buy the game yet....

Grings · Aug 22, 2007, 04:17 PM

I think i'll be buying it on dvd then, its cheaper than the steam one (online), and easier to crack if necessary, though i imagine worst case scenario you would just have to call/email them to reactivate

Aug 22, 2007, 10:14 AM	#1
Chewy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Halifax, Canada Posts: 2,616 (1.04/day) Thanks: 325 Thanked 151 Times in 140 Posts System Specs	BioShock has 2 installs. So you legit copy buys have 2 installs on one hardware machine/system.. than so they make more $$ to combat the pirates.. you have to BUY another copy.. what a friggn joke of a company if you ask me disgusting. http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5527 check out page 5 too. __________________ BUGABUGABUGABUGAAAAA! From_Nowhere's perspective on Jerry Seinfeld and Bill Gates Promoting Windows Vista. “Mac: "Woah, what are you doing?" Mac says as he levitates in the air. PC: "Playing Half-Life 2, this is my gravity gun." Mac: "Well I can sort of do that." PC: "Technically Mac, you have to become me first."” -From_Nowhere

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Aug 22, 2007, 11:05 AM	#4
average.. Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: London Posts: 18 (0.01/day) Thanks: 10 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts System Specs	yea that really sucks.. buy and install the game a couple weeks later you get the money for them 8800GT's you wanted but now you cant play the game cos it complains of hardware change. It's a shame the way they use technology, If i have two pc's why should I be forced to buy the game twice just to have the freedom of choice in my own home tow hich PC i feel like playing on. reading the other forums claims you get two installs. even if you install it on a dual boot system, with xp and vista that still counts as two installs meaning the plastic you just paid for is usless reinstall windows and you are left with nothing. just the options to re buy the game get a cracked copy or pay the same cost as the game in phone bills rining customer support. i was not planing on buying the game in the first place, but its safe to say i will be avoiding this at all cost... I genrally avoid any game that uses securom. and this move im sure will only increase the pirate copies and hurt their sales. Last edited by average..; Aug 22, 2007 at 04:48 PM. Reason: trying to see my sig >.>*

Aug 22, 2007, 10:43 AM	#2
DanTheBanjoman Señor Moderator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Utrecht, Utrecht, The kingdom of the Netherlands Posts: 8,498 (2.59/day) Thanks: 41 Thanked 1,453 Times in 1,077 Posts System Specs	How does one make a customer angry... They're also killing their product to be used as a benchmark and such since those are run on countless systems. And being used as a benchmark helps sales too.

Aug 22, 2007, 10:43 AM	#3
Darknova Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manchester, United Kingdom Posts: 4,342 (1.82/day) Thanks: 113 Thanked 551 Times in 514 Posts System Specs	That's disgraceful....I never intended to buy it anyway (doesn't interest me) but this is pathetic. Well just wait until they crack it and remove the protection (that's what I do, even if I own the game).

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Aug 22, 2007, 12:04 PM	#10
Darknova Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manchester, United Kingdom Posts: 4,342 (1.82/day) Thanks: 113 Thanked 551 Times in 514 Posts System Specs	Steam games are tied to your user account NOT your hardware or setup. So even though you can install on another PC, you won't be able to play it without your account details. There is no other copy-protection on Steam games except for that.

Aug 22, 2007, 12:12 PM	#11
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Aug 22, 2007, 01:32 PM	#13
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Aug 22, 2007, 02:07 PM	#14
KennyT772 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,933 (1.08/day) Thanks: 19 Thanked 103 Times in 98 Posts System Specs	It's really funny how this will affect the game. Many people will buy the game not knowing about that, once they install it twice they are just going to pirate it and stick it up 2k's ass. You are right about that, pirated software always just works. You may have to set it up a certain way but you can always get it going. __________________ Xfire Heatware

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Aug 22, 2007, 02:57 PM	#16
KennyT772 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,933 (1.08/day) Thanks: 19 Thanked 103 Times in 98 Posts System Specs	Yep, theres no steam activation, no securom, no nothing. Hell you don't even need to find your disk to play! Hell every game I do buy I download the iso's for it also. I hate digging for game cd's. __________________ Xfire Heatware

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Aug 22, 2007, 03:16 PM	#19
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Aug 22, 2007, 03:27 PM	#21
Bob The Fish Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada Posts: 117 (0.04/day) Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts System Specs	Quote from: Administrator 2K Elizabeth from 2K games. hey guys, first, let me say this. you DO NOT NEED TO USE THE INTERNET EVERY TIME YOU PLAY THIS GAME. it is only the first time. second, you can uninstall and reinstall this game, and if, by chance, you have 2 computers you want to simultaneously play this game on, you also can do that. if by some chance you are reinstalling this game without uninstalling it first, a lot, there is a chance you may have to call securom and get a key, or deactivate some older installations. but if you upgrade your hardware next week, you'll still be able to play the game. if you revamp your system and need to reinstall bioshock, just uninstall it before you go through the overhaul, and then do your reinstall. calling it "hardware fingerprinting" is a bit alarmist. we do not transmit any of your data to any companies. really, the only people who will be concerned about any of these security measures are those who are rapidly putting bioshock on many pcs... if you use the game as you normally do, you won't notice this at all. Link to post http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/sho...t=5527&page=12 look at the bottom. __________________

Aug 22, 2007, 03:37 PM	#23
Ketxxx Eligible for custom title Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kingdom of gods Posts: 6,380 (2.42/day) Thanks: 35 Thanked 580 Times in 412 Posts System Specs	sniff sniff I smell bullshit. I was mildly curious about Bioshock, now it can just kiss my arse. __________________ WARNING: I am cracking down on stupidity in the forums. Anyone caught making a dumb statement clearly not knowing many, if any of the facts, will promptly be directed to xtremesystems. Sig edited. If anyone wants to know about the E4400 (E7200 sold) drop me a PM

System Name:	Prowler. V5.
Processor:	Q8400 @ 3.6GHz 450FSB (testing)
Motherboard:	P5Q Pro w\ my custom BIOS
Cooling:	CPU: CNPS 9500, VGA: VF900, RAM: XTC Cooler, Rest: 1x80mm LED, 2x 120mm LED, 1x 40mm LED, 1x 135mm
Memory:	2x2GB Transcend aXeRam PC2-8500
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Sound Card:	Asus Xonar DX 7.1 PCI-E
PSU:	Hi-Power 800W Modular. 3.3 & 5v rails 30A, 4x 12v rails @ 20A each.
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Aug 22, 2007, 04:09 PM	#24
scoutingwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Posts: 220 (0.10/day) Thanks: 35 Thanked 47 Times in 44 Posts System Specs	And i am so happy i did not buy the game yet.... __________________ Sometimes there is a time when you think WTF.....

System Name:	Sentius / Tiberius
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Motherboard:	Intel GS45 / Gigabyte P35DS3
Cooling:	Internal Fans
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Video Card:	NV GT335 1GB / NV 8800GTS 512MB
Hard Disk:	~8TB All WD
Optical Drive:	None / Sony
CRT/LCD Model:	11.6 WLED / SA550 27" + SAT240HD
Case:	Alienware m11x / Thermaltake S71
Sound Card:	Realtek HD / Realtek Azalia
PSU:	9 cell Battery / Corsair HX750W
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Aug 22, 2007, 04:17 PM	#25
Grings Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Blighty Posts: 1,983 (0.83/day) Thanks: 96 Thanked 187 Times in 166 Posts System Specs	I think i'll be buying it on dvd then, its cheaper than the steam one (online), and easier to crack if necessary, though i imagine worst case scenario you would just have to call/email them to reactivate

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