DRam Makers Battered by Falling Prices

[malware]

DRam memory chips makers are facing growing losses as prices fall, analysts in Asia have warned. Cut-throat competition has made it increasingly difficult for the manufacturers to turn a profit this year, and the situation is worsening. Prices of 512Mb DDR2 memory chips slumped to a new low of $1.02 this week, according to memory market research firm DRam Exchange.

The DRam spot price has fallen to $1, and makers such as Powerchip, ProMos and Nanya Technology are facing losses of $100m monthly,

said analysts from Taiwan's MasterLink Securities in a briefing for investors in Taiwan's stock market today. The manufacturers are all medium-sized Taiwan-based chip makers, but companies elsewhere in the world are also expected to suffer serious losses. Continue reading the full report here.

Source: Vnunet, DRAMeXchange

[Wile E]

$100m monthly? I call shenanigans. There's no way those companies can bleed that kind of money on a monthly basis, and still be around to report about it. It seems to me that the DRAM makers are trying to gain sympathy. What I think the report really should say is, "Our Board of Executives have determined that, in the current market,(insert company name here) has not maintained profit margins high enough, to fatten the Board's pocket books in a satisfactory manner."

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Originally Posted by Wile E

$100m monthly? I call BS. There's no way those companies can bleed that kind of money on a monthly basis, and still be around to report about it. It seems to me that the DRAM makers are trying to gain sympathy. What I think the report really should say is, "Our Board of Executives have determined that, in the current market,(insert company name here) has not maintained profit margins high enough, to fatten the Board's pocket books in a satisfactory manner."

fixed ...

[jocksteeluk]

No doubt the move to DDR3 is an attempt to get the prices upto profitable levels for these companies.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

i hope no one buys ddr3

[tkpenalty]

lol... $36 AUD for DDR800 Samsung... wow.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Originally Posted by jocksteeluk

i am presuming you have an Ibm/Hitachi hdd in that laptop if so you may soon experience the click of death, id suggest you do a back up.

wrong thread

[jocksteeluk]

[I.R.A]_FBi cheers for that just noticed.

[intel igent]

Originally Posted by [I.R.A]_FBi

fixed ...

shenanigans is same as BS

GAWD! doesnt any1 watch southpark

bunch a' hippies.

[Steevo]

And this just a year or so after the price fixing shenanigans.


Wow, we can't be competitive and pay our top people exorbitant salaries. Other companies are being reasonable. Damn them. So now we must cry that we cannot be competitive, and ask for more money, as it will hurt our feelings really bad if we have to lower prices, or take a pay cut or go out of business.

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

yeah, why should we care, do they care when prices go sky high for us.

[happita]

Originally Posted by [I.R.A]_FBi

i hope no one buys ddr3

Then I guess we will be stuck in this loophole where ddr2 will be a norm, like ms windows for pc's kinda.

Forget about the price on DDR3 for a second, they will eventually come down, but why wouldn't you want something that improves overall performance and operates at a lower voltage?

[AphexDreamer]

Originally Posted by happita

Then I guess we will be stuck in this loophole where ddr2 will be a norm, like ms windows for pc's kinda.

Forget about the price on DDR3 for a second, they will eventually come down, but why wouldn't you want something that improves overall performance and operates at a lower voltage?

Because if he can't have, it NO ONE CAN!!

[effmaster]

The only reason prices should be this low is if they had made manufacturing advances in making the memory chips so how is it they are losing money? Shouldnt they be saving money with all these manufacturing advances?

[WarEagleAU]

Way to tell them Wile E. They are probably losing a $100 USD monthly <G>

[TheGuruStud]

Originally Posted by happita

Then I guess we will be stuck in this loophole where ddr2 will be a norm, like ms windows for pc's kinda.

Forget about the price on DDR3 for a second, they will eventually come down, but why wouldn't you want something that improves overall performance and operates at a lower voltage?

B/c DDR3 sucks just like DDR2 - the timings blow ass chunks.
example: My 3 yr old PC4200 sticks will outperform all DDRII (except maybe 1066, depending on timings).
And good PC-3200 offers the same perf. as ddr2-800. All of that on an AMD machine anyway, I'm sure the intels are different since there's no IMC.
They can keep their high price shit (that's low performing). We don't want it.

It's good for mobile, okay, w/e, that's not a good enough reason to cram it down the entire market (way ahead of product maturity) that wants performance. Thanks Intel, assholes. You're the biggest dickwads when it comes to this. (rambus, ddr2, fb-dimms, I'm sure there's more)

[KennyT772]

The dram market was complaining 2 years ago when the average price of ddr was low as hell. Guess what? when you make millions of chips, and so does 5 other companies, prices will be hella low.

[happita]

Originally Posted by TheGuruStud

B/c DDR3 sucks just like DDR2 - the timings blow ass chunks.
example: My 3 yr old PC4200 sticks will outperform all DDRII (except maybe 1066, depending on timings).
And good PC-3200 offers the same perf. as ddr2-800. All of that on an AMD machine anyway, I'm sure the intels are different since there's no IMC.
They can keep their high price shit (that's low performing). We don't want it.

It's good for mobile, okay, w/e, that's not a good enough reason to cram it down the entire market (way ahead of product maturity) that wants performance. Thanks Intel, assholes. You're the biggest dickwads when it comes to this. (rambus, ddr2, fb-dimms, I'm sure there's more)

Your somewhat right.
But DDR3 DOES outperform MOST DDR2 modules, namely DDR3-1600

Timings are important I agree with you, but you have high frequencies to make up for it. And with operating at a lower voltage, that equals lower temps which increases the possibility for OC potential.
But eventually DDR3 will be the norm, just like DDR2 is right now. The only thing that hurts is that I haven't seen any motherboards that support DDR3-1600

[KennyT772]

Originally Posted by happita

Your somewhat right.
But DDR3 DOES outperform MOST DDR2 modules, namely DDR3-1600

Timings are important I agree with you, but you have high frequencies to make up for it. And with operating at a lower voltage, that equals lower temps which increases the possibility for OC potential.
But eventually DDR3 will be the norm, just like DDR2 is right now. The only thing that hurts is that I haven't seen any motherboards that support DDR3-1600

You are worried about ddr3-1600 support? Supporting a memory speed is nothing more than having that ram divider.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by happita

Your somewhat right.
But DDR3 DOES outperform MOST DDR2 modules, namely DDR3-1600

Timings are important I agree with you, but you have high frequencies to make up for it. And with operating at a lower voltage, that equals lower temps which increases the possibility for OC potential.
But eventually DDR3 will be the norm, just like DDR2 is right now. The only thing that hurts is that I haven't seen any motherboards that support DDR3-1600

and no boards support DDR2 1300 yet people buy it cause you can simply OC the bus till it runs at that speed


look at these things

DDR2 1300mhz

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by TheGuruStud

B/c DDR3 sucks just like DDR2 - the timings blow ass chunks.
example: My 3 yr old PC4200 sticks will outperform all DDRII (except maybe 1066, depending on timings).
And good PC-3200 offers the same perf. as ddr2-800. All of that on an AMD machine anyway, I'm sure the intels are different since there's no IMC.
They can keep their high price shit (that's low performing). We don't want it.

It's good for mobile, okay, w/e, that's not a good enough reason to cram it down the entire market (way ahead of product maturity) that wants performance. Thanks Intel, assholes. You're the biggest dickwads when it comes to this. (rambus, ddr2, fb-dimms, I'm sure there's more)

Ummm, no. My Ballistix can do CAS 3 @ 800MHz. Superior in every way to your 3200, unless of course you can run CAS 1.5 @ 400MHz.

DDR2 started out behind DDR in performance, but has long since eclipsed it. Same will happen with DDR3 vs DDR2. In fact, it's already starting to happen. If not for the price, DDR3 would be a good purchase, if you choose the right kit.

[Ketxxx]

DDR3 blows right now, absolutely horrible timings. A fast frequency is nothing without at least halfway decent timings. Besides, look at DDR3 prices right now, their insane. A good 800MHz DDR2 kit (by good I mean 4-4-4 or 3-4-4 timings) can be had for practically nothing atm and they OC VERY well, job done.

[Steevo]

DDR 216~432 @ CAS 1



So nah.

[cdawall]

Originally Posted by Wile E

Ummm, no. My Ballistix can do CAS 3 @ 800MHz. Superior in every way to your 3200, unless of course you can run CAS 1.5 @ 400MHz.

DDR2 started out behind DDR in performance, but has long since eclipsed it. Same will happen with DDR3 vs DDR2. In fact, it's already starting to happen. If not for the price, DDR3 would be a good purchase, if you choose the right kit.

my 400 can do 2.0-3-2-0 up to DDR500 or so...with a better mobo i bet i could go lower on the timings and higher on the speed...anyone wanna donate a s939 rig to me



though i do agree that DDR2 is the best buy currently and in gaming DDR2 800 @ cas3 does out do DDR1 by small amounts no matter what your running it at

[Wile E]

Originally Posted by cdawall

my 400 can do 2.0-3-2-0 up to DDR500 or so...with a better mobo i bet i could go lower on the timings and higher on the speed...anyone wanna donate a s939 rig to me



though i do agree that DDR2 is the best buy currently and in gaming DDR2 800 @ cas3 does out do DDR1 by small amounts no matter what your running it at

Well DDR 400MHz CAS2 doesn't match the performance of DDR2 800 CAS3. With those tight sub timings, CAS2 500 will match or beat it, but not by much.

But yeah, I agree, DDR2 is still the current champ in price : performance.