techPowerUp! Forums

Go Back   techPowerUp! Forums > Hardware > General Hardware

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old Oct 25, 2007, 03:02 PM   #1
trt740
Eligible for custom title
 
trt740's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 10,186 (3.96/day)
Thanks: 1,578
Thanked 1,135 Times in 960 Posts

System Specs

Windows xp max memory it can use.

on a Whim I put all four 1 gig sticks of Lanfest ram in my system. I knew ahead of time, or atleast thought windows xps is limited to 3.50gbs of ram is this correct and is there any bennifit to having all 4 GB in a windows xp system. Will it negativly effect my system at all? and will it use atleast 3.50gb of the 4 gb of ram. I figure I would buy the Lanfest ahead of time for the future because it is a limited edition and when vistas gets the bugs out I might move in that direction.
trt740 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 25, 2007, 03:04 PM   #2
Solaris17
Creator Solaris Utility DVD
 
Solaris17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Reinacting scenes from platoon with Charlie Sheen
Posts: 13,708 (4.83/day)
Thanks: 4,366
Thanked 3,295 Times in 2,311 Posts
Send a message via ICQ to Solaris17 Send a message via AIM to Solaris17 Send a message via MSN to Solaris17 Send a message via Yahoo to Solaris17 Send a message via Skype™ to Solaris17

System Specs

no negative effect just when it reads a stick there'll be a 512mb blid spot
__________________
I Made the Millionth post! | "Please come to WI now so I can beat you over the head with a bratwurst."-Kreij
PS3 mod 8500/8600GT Mod Guide Rebuild a Copperhead Heat Ware
NF4 Ultra SLI Mod Solaris Utility DVD 4.0 Broken CPU pin guide
Vista Mark
Solaris17 is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Solaris17 For This Useful Post:
Old Oct 25, 2007, 03:20 PM   #3
Darknova
3500 Posts
 
Darknova's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Manchester, United Kingdom
Posts: 4,342 (1.82/day)
Thanks: 113
Thanked 551 Times in 514 Posts
Send a message via MSN to Darknova

System Specs

32-bit XP is limited to 4Gb maximum, however all your add-on cards (including graphics) take up a portion of that 4Gb register. So the more you have, and the more powerful your graphics card, the less space you will have.

On 64-bit XP you are limited to 128Gb of RAM :P
Darknova is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Darknova For This Useful Post:
Old Oct 25, 2007, 03:24 PM   #4
Kreij
Hardcore Monkey Moderator
 
Kreij's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Cheeseland (Wisconsin, USA)
Posts: 12,133 (5.27/day)
Thanks: 591
Thanked 5,494 Times in 2,938 Posts

System Specs

The amount of usable RAM is dependent on the hardware devices you have in your system.

32 bit OS (like WinXP) are capable of addressing all 4 GBs of RAM, however, some is set aside for hardware devices (PCI-E, PCI, etc.) which is why you will see Windows reporting something less than 4GBs.

Usually you will see somewhere between 2.75GB and 3.5GB available.

Putting is 4 sticks will keep your system operating in dual channel mode, where as 3 x 1GB will not. So, put in the 4 x 1GB and enjoy
__________________

Cloud (noun, singular): A dynamic arrangement of multiple potential single points of failure, with a user at one end and their data at the other.


Get more tech news on a wide variety of topics at NextPowerUp
Kreij is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Kreij For This Useful Post:
Old Oct 25, 2007, 03:32 PM   #5
trt740
Eligible for custom title
 
trt740's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 10,186 (3.96/day)
Thanks: 1,578
Thanked 1,135 Times in 960 Posts

System Specs

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kreij View Post
The amount of usable RAM is dependent on the hardware devices you have in your system.

32 bit OS (like WinXP) are capable of addressing all 4 GBs of RAM, however, some is set aside for hardware devices (PCI-E, PCI, etc.) which is why you will see Windows reporting something less than 4GBs.

Usually you will see somewhere between 2.75GB and 3.5GB available.

Putting is 4 sticks will keep your system operating in dual channel mode, where as 3 x 1GB will not. So, put in the 4 x 1GB and enjoy
So if I'm reading this right it will use all 4gb but just show 3.5GB and it will still be benifical to multitasking etc and make my system slightly faster right? I'm glad I put the other stick in then. It sure boots faster.
trt740 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 25, 2007, 03:39 PM   #6
Kreij
Hardcore Monkey Moderator
 
Kreij's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Cheeseland (Wisconsin, USA)
Posts: 12,133 (5.27/day)
Thanks: 591
Thanked 5,494 Times in 2,938 Posts

System Specs

Quote:
Originally Posted by trt740 View Post
So if I'm reading this right it will use all 4gb but just show 3.5GB and it will still be benifical to multitasking etc and make my system slightly faster right? I'm glad I put the other stick in then. It sure boots faster.
It should only make your system faster if the system needs more than what you had before, so that it does not have to go out to the pagefile to get information.

So if you had 2GB and that was sufficient for what you are doing, 4GB should not make it faster. However, if you had 3GB you were not running in dual channel mode so adding the extra stick would get you an improvement.

Anyway, IMO the more RAM the better. I would rather have 3GB than 2GB, unless you are benchmarking.
__________________

Cloud (noun, singular): A dynamic arrangement of multiple potential single points of failure, with a user at one end and their data at the other.


Get more tech news on a wide variety of topics at NextPowerUp
Kreij is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Kreij For This Useful Post:
Old Oct 25, 2007, 03:53 PM   #7
trt740
Eligible for custom title
 
trt740's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 10,186 (3.96/day)
Thanks: 1,578
Thanked 1,135 Times in 960 Posts

System Specs

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kreij View Post
It should only make your system faster if the system needs more than what you had before, so that it does not have to go out to the pagefile to get information.

So if you had 2GB and that was sufficient for what you are doing, 4GB should not make it faster. However, if you had 3GB you were not running in dual channel mode so adding the extra stick would get you an improvement.

Anyway, IMO the more RAM the better. I would rather have 3GB than 2GB, unless you are benchmarking.

It seems to boot slightly faster I have a bunch of programs launching in the beginning.
trt740 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 25, 2007, 05:11 PM   #8
KennyT772
2000 Posts
 
KennyT772's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,933 (1.08/day)
Thanks: 19
Thanked 103 Times in 98 Posts

System Specs

Also remember, with overclocking you can only go as fast as the slowest part. doubling the amount of ram ICs (16 per stick, 2gb 32, 4gb 64) may have a impact on your max memory speeds. This is why benchers only use just as much ram as they need, 256mbit ics are usually faster than 512mbit, and therefore clock higher.
__________________
Xfire Heatware
KennyT772 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 25, 2007, 05:14 PM   #9
trt740
Eligible for custom title
 
trt740's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 10,186 (3.96/day)
Thanks: 1,578
Thanked 1,135 Times in 960 Posts

System Specs

Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyT772 View Post
Also remember, with overclocking you can only go as fast as the slowest part. doubling the amount of ram ICs (16 per stick, 2gb 32, 4gb 64) may have a impact on your max memory speeds. This is why benchers only use just as much ram as they need, 256mbit ics are usually faster than 512mbit, and therefore clock higher.
I noticed a slight drop so far but at my everyday clock it is the same. My systems does seems snappier
trt740 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 26, 2007, 12:26 AM   #10
trt740
Eligible for custom title
 
trt740's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 10,186 (3.96/day)
Thanks: 1,578
Thanked 1,135 Times in 960 Posts

System Specs

3GB switch

Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyT772 View Post
Also remember, with overclocking you can only go as fast as the slowest part. doubling the amount of ram ICs (16 per stick, 2gb 32, 4gb 64) may have a impact on your max memory speeds. This is why benchers only use just as much ram as they need, 256mbit ics are usually faster than 512mbit, and therefore clock higher.
Have you ever tried this and does it have any benifits http://searchwincomputing.techtarget...108831,00.html

Here is another link explaining it. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...ae443ecbf.aspx it sounds like it will let you use 1 gig for Windows and 3 gig for application games etc.. instead of 2 for Windows and 2 for applications and games. i'm using it now and it lets you boot to either at start up.

Last edited by trt740; Oct 26, 2007 at 12:31 AM.
trt740 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 26, 2007, 12:45 AM   #11
trt740
Eligible for custom title
 
trt740's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 10,186 (3.96/day)
Thanks: 1,578
Thanked 1,135 Times in 960 Posts

System Specs

Quote:
Originally Posted by trt740 View Post
Have you ever tried this and does it have any benifits http://searchwincomputing.techtarget...108831,00.html

Here is another link explaining it. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...ae443ecbf.aspx it sounds like it will let you use 1 gig for Windows and 3 gig for application games etc.. instead of 2 for Windows and 2 for applications and games. i'm using it now and it lets you boot to either at start up.
After reading looks like it really isn't for me http://blogs.technet.com/askperf/arc...fying-3gb.aspx
trt740 is offline  
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to trt740 For This Useful Post:
Old Oct 26, 2007, 12:49 AM   #12
surfsk8snow.jah
200 Posts
 
surfsk8snow.jah's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 428 (0.19/day)
Thanks: 42
Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts

System Specs

so wait does that work for xp? Cuz the MS link there says it only works for Windows 2000 & 2003? That does look pretty sick tho.
surfsk8snow.jah is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 26, 2007, 01:10 AM   #13
panchoman
Sold my stars!
 
panchoman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 6,650 (3.11/day)
Thanks: 339
Thanked 1,227 Times in 1,036 Posts

System Specs

benchmark your system. then edit your boot.ini file and put /PAE and then benchmark after you reboot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension

all 4 gigs will be used, just not recognized by windows.
__________________


Need any Graphics Made? Visit Graphic Artists United!
R.I.P Megan--Heaven has a new angel
panchoman is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 26, 2007, 01:59 AM   #14
trt740
Eligible for custom title
 
trt740's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 10,186 (3.96/day)
Thanks: 1,578
Thanked 1,135 Times in 960 Posts

System Specs

Quote:
Originally Posted by surfsk8snow.jah View Post
so wait does that work for xp? Cuz the MS link there says it only works for Windows 2000 & 2003? That does look pretty sick tho.
you read the wrong one yes works for xp http://searchwincomputing.techtarget...108831,00.html
trt740 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 26, 2007, 02:05 AM   #15
surfsk8snow.jah
200 Posts
 
surfsk8snow.jah's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 428 (0.19/day)
Thanks: 42
Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts

System Specs

Quote:
Originally Posted by trt740 View Post
After reading looks like it really isn't for me http://blogs.technet.com/askperf/arc...fying-3gb.aspx
That's a kewl site. Good illumination on that... I was suddenly "mystified" by the prospect also, but this definitely dispels the myths well.
surfsk8snow.jah is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 26, 2007, 06:22 AM   #16
Darknova
3500 Posts
 
Darknova's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Manchester, United Kingdom
Posts: 4,342 (1.82/day)
Thanks: 113
Thanked 551 Times in 514 Posts
Send a message via MSN to Darknova

System Specs

The only reason to use the /3Gb switch is if you have 4Gb, and you only see less than 3Gb. If you see more than 3Gb then you'll see NO difference what so ever.

It's for the people who lots of add-in cards, and big meaty graphics cards that see 2.75Gb or something like that.

Just switch to XP x64 and you don't have these problems
Darknova is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 26, 2007, 06:23 AM   #17
niko084
Eligible for custom title
 
niko084's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota
Posts: 6,387 (2.70/day)
Thanks: 190
Thanked 739 Times in 599 Posts
Send a message via ICQ to niko084 Send a message via AIM to niko084 Send a message via Skype™ to niko084

System Specs

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kreij View Post
The amount of usable RAM is dependent on the hardware devices you have in your system.

32 bit OS (like WinXP) are capable of addressing all 4 GBs of RAM, however, some is set aside for hardware devices (PCI-E, PCI, etc.) which is why you will see Windows reporting something less than 4GBs.

Usually you will see somewhere between 2.75GB and 3.5GB available.

Putting is 4 sticks will keep your system operating in dual channel mode, where as 3 x 1GB will not. So, put in the 4 x 1GB and enjoy
BAHAHAHAHA Sorry I LOVE your signature... I say that to people who think they know programming and they go huh?!?!?

XP itself only allows up to 4gb to be addressed, while server applications can cache much more to ram... Not sure what the difference is...
__________________
This electronic post is encrypted in the 'English language method', any attempt to decipher meaning from these symbols is a violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. This includes, but is not limited to: interpreting the symbols through use of biological, visual decryption devices, translating the symbols into another language encryption scheme, and digital processing the symbols into a form conducive to oral interpretation.
HWBOT HEATWARE
niko084 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 06:28 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
no new posts