First attempt at water cooling...FAIL!

Dr. Spankenstein · Nov 17, 2007, 07:40 PM

Well, I've done it this time!

In an attempt to slap my rig back together with my new blocks, I am met with a no-POST situation. One piece of evidence is that when it is first powered on, you can see that a signal is sent to the monitor for a split-second but it refuses to fully power-on the monitor.

The only things I can think of are that I might have put some extreme pressure on the PCI slot and potentially broke some of the solder joints OR when I put the TIM and block on the video card something got shorted (or worse, crushed)!

At first I thought that the backplate for the CPU block was so tall that the threaded rods and accompanying nuts were shorting to the mobo tray, but a quick aplication of electrical tape behind those areas proved that this was not the case.

Guess I'll have to purchase a temp video card and start the process of elimination.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Cheers,

Bryan

DaMulta · Nov 17, 2007, 07:44 PM

You more than likly put that block on to tight on the video card. Lossen it a little bit.

Also you don't have your 6pin installed on your video card.

Dr. Spankenstein · Nov 17, 2007, 07:46 PM

Hmmmm, I will try that. Thanks man!

p.s.
good eye, BTW!

Dr. Spankenstein · Nov 17, 2007, 08:50 PM

That made some sense, but no luck. The 6-pin wasn't installed at the time of that picture as I was about to remove the card.

Any more ideas?

DaMulta · Nov 17, 2007, 08:52 PM

Does the PSU fire up?

DaMulta · Nov 17, 2007, 08:57 PM

BTW Dr. Spankenstein you have my new blocks.......reset the Cmos?

Install the stock cooler back on the 1k and see what happens. Did you use AS5 on the chipset>?If so how much did you use?

Dr. Spankenstein · Nov 17, 2007, 09:00 PM

Yep. The fans on the rad, the HDDs, the DVD-ROM and the pump are all good.
I have a feeling it probably is working with the exception of the video card not being able to start the monitor.

I did pull the CPU block and only one edge was making contact. I'm going to try and make better contact. I don't think that would keep it from POSTing though.

Dr. Spankenstein · Nov 17, 2007, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaMulta

BTW Dr. Spankenstein you have my new blocks.......reset the Cmos?

Install the stock cooler back on the 1k and see what happens. Did you use AS5 on the chipset>?If so how much did you use?

Have reset CMOS many times.

Switching back to stock cooling was next step I had in mind.

I was using MX-2 on everything.

Random Murderer · Nov 17, 2007, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Spankenstein

Have reset CMOS many times.

Switching back to stock cooling was next step I had in mind.

I was using MX-2 on everything.

mx-2 is non-conductive, you could have slathered the entire computer in it and it wouldn't short anything, so that's not an issue.

DOM · Nov 17, 2007, 10:22 PM

looks nice

someones trying to beat me in 3dm lol

so do you get any beeps ? does you mobo even beep ? im asking cuz mine does when I turn it on

have you tryed to boot it with one stick of ram ?

Dr. Spankenstein · Nov 18, 2007, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DOM_ATI_X800XL_PCI-E

looks nice

someones trying to beat me in 3dm lol

I should be so lucky!

Well, who knows what could happen if I could get it working!

Quote:

so do you get any beeps ? does you mobo even beep ? im asking cuz mine does when I turn it on

No beeps, which leads me to believe that the viedo card is not commuticating with the monitor. It will give me beep codes if I've gone beyond the ability of my RAM.

Quote:

have you tryed to boot it with one stick of ram ?

No, but you can bet I'll give it a try!

Thanks for all the advice! I'll keep you all aprised of the situation...

JC316 · Nov 18, 2007, 02:17 AM

My best advice is to double check everything. All connectors, the works. Also, make SURE that the video card is seated, I didn't have mine pushed all the way into the PCI slot and it was doing the same thing, also, wiggle it up and down slightly, just be sure.

pt · Nov 18, 2007, 02:28 AM

don't you have a spare videocard to try?
and what's with everyone using 1/2 tubing..., tube diameter doesn't make much difference

DaMulta · Nov 18, 2007, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pt

don't you have a spare videocard to try?
and what's with everyone using 1/2 tubing..., tube diameter doesn't make much difference

Because it's cool

'' there is more volume as well. I would like to see some 1in runs.

I hope he finds out what happened to his machine. This is odd that this has happened.

sneekypeet · Nov 18, 2007, 02:37 AM

just a quick thing that comes to mind with setting up water...no CPU fan on the header, will sometimes cause a no boot issue. Try putting any fan,RAM, AUX, whatever you got with the right (even a 3pin) connector. It has been known to cause this, but was really on 939....but what the hell its worth a go!!?!!

Got water on my ABIt 975x chipset, but I run my Dominator RAM fan on the CPU header from the get go.

Random Murderer · Nov 18, 2007, 02:42 AM

hey, spankenstein:

sorry, saw it and couldn't resist!

3991vhtes · Nov 18, 2007, 02:44 AM

^^

panchoman · Nov 18, 2007, 04:07 AM

no beeps from the mobo when theres no ram in it? seems like it might be the mobo chipset?? you've tried clearing the cmos right?

sneekypeet · Nov 18, 2007, 04:31 AM

there is only two reasons why a mobo wont beep on post....#1 Bad MOBO...#2 no recognition of the CPU, which again leads me to think it may be the sensing wire in the CPU fan header.

intel igent · Nov 18, 2007, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sneekypeet

just a quick thing that comes to mind with setting up water...no CPU fan on the header, will sometimes cause a no boot issue. Try putting any fan,RAM, AUX, whatever you got with the right ( a 3pin) connector. It has been known to cause this

Got water on my ABIt 975x chipset, but I run my Dominator RAM fan on the CPU header from the get go.

same thing happened to me first time i set up my loop

Yin · Nov 18, 2007, 05:27 AM

Try unplugging EVERYTHING, and plug in just the MB, CPU, RAM see if that works

Random Murderer · Nov 18, 2007, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by intel igent

same thing happened to me first time i set up my loop

ok, and how did you fix it?

intel igent · Nov 18, 2007, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Random Murderer

ok, and how did you fix it?

ur obviously in quadcore heaven posting without reading again

Random Murderer · Nov 18, 2007, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intel igent

ur obviously in quadcore heaven posting without reading again

lol, i just got owned.

imperialreign · Nov 18, 2007, 06:41 AM

Quote:

I would like to see some 1in runs.

I'd like to see someone run 1" tubing in anything smaller than a full-tower!

Quote:

just a quick thing that comes to mind with setting up water...no CPU fan on the header, will sometimes cause a no boot issue. Try putting any fan,RAM, AUX, whatever you got with the right (even a 3pin) connector. It has been known to cause this, but was really on 939....but what the hell its worth a go!!?!!

seconded, on this! Even on an air cooled setup here, I had problems running my Zalman at first, because the BIOS was set for a PWM (4-pin) fan. I had to change the option to DC (3-pin) to get it to finally POST first time around. Some mobo's just won't engage if it doesn't read anything from the CPU header, or it doesn't read correctly.

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Nov 17, 2007, 07:46 PM	#3
Dr. Spankenstein Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,681 (0.74/day) Thanks: 217 Thanked 282 Times in 252 Posts System Specs	Hmmmm, I will try that. Thanks man! p.s. good eye, BTW! Last edited by Dr. Spankenstein; Nov 18, 2007 at 01:07 AM.

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Nov 17, 2007, 07:40 PM	#1
Dr. Spankenstein Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,681 (0.74/day) Thanks: 217 Thanked 282 Times in 252 Posts System Specs	First attempt at water cooling...FAIL! now WINAR!! Well, I've done it this time! In an attempt to slap my rig back together with my new blocks, I am met with a no-POST situation. One piece of evidence is that when it is first powered on, you can see that a signal is sent to the monitor for a split-second but it refuses to fully power-on the monitor. The only things I can think of are that I might have put some extreme pressure on the PCI slot and potentially broke some of the solder joints OR when I put the TIM and block on the video card something got shorted (or worse, crushed)! At first I thought that the backplate for the CPU block was so tall that the threaded rods and accompanying nuts were shorting to the mobo tray, but a quick aplication of electrical tape behind those areas proved that this was not the case. Guess I'll have to purchase a temp video card and start the process of elimination. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Cheers, Bryan Last edited by Dr. Spankenstein; Nov 19, 2007 at 04:00 PM. Reason: update title.

Nov 17, 2007, 07:44 PM	#2
DaMulta My stars went supernova Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Oklahoma T-Town Posts: 10,337 (4.16/day) Thanks: 1,449 Thanked 1,477 Times in 1,113 Posts System Specs	You more than likly put that block on to tight on the video card. Lossen it a little bit. Also you don't have your 6pin installed on your video card. __________________ ocLIT The Hardware Punishers

Nov 17, 2007, 08:50 PM	#4
Dr. Spankenstein Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,681 (0.74/day) Thanks: 217 Thanked 282 Times in 252 Posts System Specs	That made some sense, but no luck. The 6-pin wasn't installed at the time of that picture as I was about to remove the card. Any more ideas?

Nov 17, 2007, 08:52 PM	#5
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DaMulta My stars went supernova Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Oklahoma T-Town Posts: 10,337 (4.16/day) Thanks: 1,449 Thanked 1,477 Times in 1,113 Posts System Specs	BTW Dr. Spankenstein you have my new blocks.......reset the Cmos? Install the stock cooler back on the 1k and see what happens. Did you use AS5 on the chipset>?If so how much did you use? __________________ ocLIT The Hardware Punishers

Nov 17, 2007, 09:00 PM	#7
Dr. Spankenstein Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,681 (0.74/day) Thanks: 217 Thanked 282 Times in 252 Posts System Specs	Yep. The fans on the rad, the HDDs, the DVD-ROM and the pump are all good. I have a feeling it probably is working with the exception of the video card not being able to start the monitor. I did pull the CPU block and only one edge was making contact. I'm going to try and make better contact. I don't think that would keep it from POSTing though.

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sneekypeet Unpaid Babysitter Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 19,003 (7.32/day) Thanks: 3,035 Thanked 5,487 Times in 3,950 Posts System Specs	there is only two reasons why a mobo wont beep on post....#1 Bad MOBO...#2 no recognition of the CPU, which again leads me to think it may be the sensing wire in the CPU fan header.

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