Feedback on my new build

[asb2106]

Originally Posted by asb2106

I just updated to the newer version of Everest and ran a CPU Queen test with my q6600 against a qx9650, and when I have my q6600 at 3.6 I score a 25,000 and the qx scores 21,000. So if you plan on overclocking save yourself the money and get a q6600 or a q6700(for the higher multi),

***OHH*** your going xeon, no prob, same thing

and yes, the qx was runing at stock speeds and it can OC way higher than the q6600 but its just to show you have a very fast quad for less than 300 bucks!

[niko084]

Well because they are the same design at heart *over the idea of cache and 45nm* naturally a chip clocked up with a higher FSB will score higher naturally, as raising your FSB makes more difference to a lot of other things in the end..

A system with a 1000mhz fsb with a x1 multiplier will be faster than a 250mhz with an x4 multiplier naturally.

[asb2106]

Originally Posted by niko084

Well because they are the same design at heart *over the idea of cache and 45nm* naturally a chip clocked up with a higher FSB will score higher naturally, as raising your FSB makes more difference to a lot of other things in the end..

A system with a 1000mhz fsb with a x1 multiplier will be faster than a 250mhz with an x4 multiplier naturally.

yep, granted the artichture is the same, or similar

And in relation to the 780i chipset -> there is no support for the upcoming 1600FSB 45nm procs(as of yet), but I think - THINK - that it will support the current 1333 45nm's.

[Franklinwallbrown]

I'd like to go with a 1333FSB w/ OCed RAM @ 1333.

[Bluefox1115]

stop this madness already and just go Phenom o.O

[Franklinwallbrown]

LOL...I would if the Phenoms worked properly (hearsay).

[Franklinwallbrown]

Originally Posted by niko084

Pretty much... This is a whole lot of money to spend on a computer that overall is not very good...

Here is an idea I threw together-
Samsung SATA DVD/RW lightscribe *on of the BEST drives available*
If your not planning to buy and watch HD or Blu-ray movies on your computer
those drives are stupidly overpriced...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151154

Lian Li PC-7B Plus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811112099
Basic case, rock solid, great cooling

Seagate 7200.10 400gb drives
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148138
2 or more, raid them they will destroy WD's and the 10k isn't worth anything unless your running a server or "NEED" super low response time *used in things like audio production for live recording*.

Same screen-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824255001

DUAL HD3850's 512mb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102715
*Whoop that 8800GT into silly submission!

Here is your Prelude
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16829156005

PCPC 750 watt psu *A REAL high quality psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703009

Same speakers-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16836116153

2x2048 Gskill DDR2 1000 ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145

Asus P5K-E *Great mainboard with good reviews, I have personally owned this*
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131225

E8400 "bang for buck chip by far clocks to 4+ ghz easily"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115037

Zalman 120mm fans... Better air flow, give your graphics cards cool air! 3 of them..
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835118008

Arctic Cooling Freezer.... Very good, price is unbeatable
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835186134

Same headphones-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16826249016

Barely over $2200 and would destroy the system you have posted above... Completely destroy it!

I do plan to buy & watch HD DVD/Blu Rays. Would there be any reason for me to get your DVD drive if I already have one (an AOpen Duw1616l-31)?

I wanted my case because it is supposed to be quiet, but I don't know if I care anymore?

I wanted the 10K because I heard they were good for gaming. The loads are shorter, therefore, you can ready yourself first/better, but I'm thinking that doesn't matter anymore either. You know?

Yeah, I think I've fallin' in love w/ that screen.

I personally don't know about videocards, so, I guess I need to look up benchmarks (only thing I can think of) for both card types & ask people what they have & their results.

I know I want the Prelude. *Drool*

I don't know much about PSU either. Just know that efficiency is the name of the game for them.

Those speakers looked good. So...

Can you put 1000 RAM in a 1066 MB?

Asus is synonymous with MBs. Nice N & S bridge chips on the MB. Nice FSB. Supports dual channel (a must)! I don't care that it has 4 Ram slots because you can't use 4 anyway, right? 7 expansion slots with good ratio (2x 16s: 2x 1s: 3x reg.). Not familiar w/ PATA. Nice amount of SATAs. Has a raid controller, but I don't know if it is a good one? Don't know about the onboard audio or LAN chips? USB 2.0 F&B, firewire, etc. good! Overall, looks good.

Why not go the Xeon for a little bit more, if you don't mind me asking?

Zalmans are always nice.

The Arctic Cooler is the type of cooler I was looking at. Keeps airflow going from front/bottom to back/top, which is the best airflow, right?

My friend (a semi-hardcore gamer) tells me that he has heard many a great thing about those headsets!

Originally Posted by DaMulta

I think not niko084 LOL. Even I have been looking at the QX9650 a 45nm chip, and yes more and more things are starting to use the quad because everyone is starting to get them. I bet a lot of games this year will start to use quad core. That chip would last around for a long time.

He was planing on watching movies on his computer, and the ultra card is the best on the market at the moment.

What's good about the 780i for the most part to be is the voltage doesn't rest or flash for a sec when you go out of bios and start to boot. Makes overclocking way easier. In that theard above post he hit 4.6 stable and his tec wasn't even working. Just a block of copper!!!

BUT it is a lot of $$$$.

Yeah, I think a quad is a safe bet.

We need to talk more about the GFX card. The 9600s are coming out in Feb! (around the 21st I think)

Not familiar w/ 780i or specifics of Geforces. 4.6 is rather amazing, if I do say so myself.

Originally Posted by Paulieg

IMO that is WAY too much for a sound card. These days, onboard sound isn't bad, and a good sound card can be had for under $80.

I want great sound for HD movies and games a little too. Just a preference of mine.

Originally Posted by niko084

Eh thats a really strong matter of opinion...

Thank you.

Originally Posted by niko084

Didn't know about the watching movies... The sure the Ultra still ranks a number 1 barely... But for that massive power draw and price, why not beat it out for less, I mean heck if you want to stick Nvidia, grab a G92 512mb 8800GTS and call it a day, it's running near hand and hand with the Ultra, slightly behind, uses far less power also and is cheaper.

I don't know much about Nvidia chipsets, and actually I thought the 780i was the one that was having issues with 45nm chips?

Beyond that, yes the huge quad would be enough to last for awhile, and over the next year or two more applications will be starting to use them.... But honestly who has even started saying they were going to produce another massive game lately? We have Crysis and Bioshock, which both only use dual cores and hardly need one at 3ghz let alone 4-5.

I'm not saying a quad is a bad choice or a waste of money, but I do highly believe that their absolute top chips are a waste of money, sure its the best of the best, but look at the premium you pay for that...... I can't justify that considering you can buy one that costs about half as much now, have great performance, and in 1-2 years buy another one that costs the other half and have better performance than it would provide.

Like I said, we need to discuss the GFX cards more.

Ditto, I don't know much about Nvidia or GFX cards in general.

I just want to OC it to great stability.

The Xeon seems to be rather cheap for a quad, so, I figured I go for it. You know?

[niko084]

Originally Posted by Franklinwallbrown

LOL...I would if the Phenoms worked properly (hearsay).

It's not they don't actually work, its that AMD can't keep up right now...
As far as the quads, they could have been much better though.

PS- 1333mhz ram at 1:1 would require 666.5 FSB...
Do the math there....
666x9 = 5994 mhz... I certainly hope you want to buy TEC cooling, and a WAY more expensive board...

I mean you could leave your ram less than 1:1 but seriously why just to lose performance... You will never need that kinda memory bandwidth anyways.

As for the ram, I have had my Crucial Balistix 800 at over 1100.
That Gskill uses the same physical chips Micron D9's.

[asb2106]

Originally Posted by Bluefox1115

stop this madness already and just go Phenom o.O

thumbs down,(to bad there isnt a smilie for that)
the phenoms cant get you very far, I have loved AMD since the release of the athlon 64 but ever since conroe I have been an intel user. I was so excited about a "true" quad core but they have been nothing but garbage. When AMD can get the quirks out of phenom Ill hop back over the fence and love it, but until I can get a phenom that can up to 3.4 ~ 3.6 range Im sticking with Intel. The problem then becomes when AMD can hit that, the 45nm intels are gonna destroy that.

I dont think AMD will have a chance to be back on top until 2010 or later.

[Franklinwallbrown]

Originally Posted by niko084

It's not they don't actually work, its that AMD can't keep up right now...
As far as the quads, they could have been much better though.

PS- 1333mhz ram at 1:1 would require 666.5 FSB...
Do the math there....
666x9 = 5994 mhz... I certainly hope you want to buy TEC cooling, and a WAY more expensive board...

I mean you could leave your ram less than 1:1 but seriously why just to lose performance... You will never need that kinda memory bandwidth anyways.

As for the ram, I have had my Crucial Balistix 800 at over 1100.
That Gskill uses the same physical chips Micron D9's.

So, I've heard about AMD. I'm a bit on an AMD fanboy, just because I like to root for the underdog, but I'm not going to go AMD & sacrifice performance.

Yeah, my math was a little off.

What kind of memory bandwidth would you recommend?

Micron D9s are good for OCing?

Originally Posted by asb2106

thumbs down,(to bad there isnt a smilie for that)
the phenoms cant get you very far, I have loved AMD since the release of the athlon 64 but ever since conroe I have been an intel user. I was so excited about a "true" quad core but they have been nothing but garbage. When AMD can get the quirks out of phenom Ill hop back over the fence and love it, but until I can get a phenom that can up to 3.4 ~ 3.6 range Im sticking with Intel. The problem then becomes when AMD can hit that, the 45nm intels are gonna destroy that.

I dont think AMD will have a chance to be back on top until 2010 or later.

It would seems so

[asb2106]

Originally Posted by Franklinwallbrown

So, I've heard about AMD. I'm a bit on an AMD fanboy, just because I like to root for the underdog, but I'm not going to go AMD & sacrifice performance.

Yeah, my math was a little off.

What kind of memory bandwidth would you recommend?

Micron D9s are good for OCing?

Micron D9's are the best for OCing

[Franklinwallbrown]

Originally Posted by asb2106

Micron D9's are the best for OCing

Good to know! Thanks.

[asb2106]

a system I built almost identical to mine (p5b deluxe, q6600) with crucial balliztix was able to hit 475 FSB rock solid with out any issues. My system with some OCZ gold 800 I topped out at 419 stable. So in curiousity I put the d9s in my system and i got a stable OC of 468, I couldnt get the 475 but it was proof to me that d9's are the way to go! I would get some new memory but i cant complain about 3.6 q6600 and 800mhz ram, its fast enough, if I could do it again it would be D9's all day

[DaMulta]

The ram I posted on that build is about 100 for 2 gigs.

Wilie has had his set up to 1400 with ease.


Because you not building this today. I say get the new 3870 X2 card that's coming out next week. I myself have some Palit 1Gb cards on the way.....

How do you want to cool your system?

Air (I can't see myself going back to air)
Water
Water + TEC if you do it right it can be safe.....must have a relay
Phase which is $$$$

[asb2106]

Originally Posted by DaMulta

The ram I posted on that build is about 100 for 2 gigs.

Wilie has had his set up to 1400 with ease.


Because you not building this today. I say get the new 3870 X2 card that's coming out next week. I myself have some Palit 1Gb cards on the way.....

How do you want to cool your system?

Air (I can't see myself going back to air)
Water
Water + TEC if you do it right it can be safe.....must have a relay
Phase which is $$$$

now that I have used water with such sucess Ill never go back to air. I OCed a system for a friend and his e4400 was up to 72 degrees with what i thought was a mild OC. I have a 50% OC and my temps are alittle warm but never hot(always less that 50C)

I use a custom swiftech system I built and Im really interested in TEC, DaMulta, can you recommend a good CPU block, Im familiar with the extra PS needed along with the relay setup to hook it all in(Swiftech has a great guide with their TEC unit)

[Franklinwallbrown]

Originally Posted by asb2106

a system I built almost identical to mine (p5b deluxe, q6600) with crucial balliztix was able to hit 475 FSB rock solid with out any issues. My system with some OCZ gold 800 I topped out at 419 stable. So in curiousity I put the d9s in my system and i got a stable OC of 468, I couldnt get the 475 but it was proof to me that d9's are the way to go! I would get some new memory but i cant complain about 3.6 q6600 and 800mhz ram, its fast enough, if I could do it again it would be D9's all day

D9s it is!

Originally Posted by DaMulta

The ram I posted on that build is about 100 for 2 gigs.

Wilie has had his set up to 1400 with ease.


Because you not building this today. I say get the new 3870 X2 card that's coming out next week. I myself have some Palit 1Gb cards on the way.....

How do you want to cool your system?

Air (I can't see myself going back to air)
Water
Water + TEC if you do it right it can be safe.....must have a relay
Phase which is $$$$

Should I go 2gigs or 4? Many have said 4 because of price.

1400 1:1?

Well, I would like to get peoples opinions that have the cards & if you could find some that would be great! It seems to me, looking at the specs, that the ATI's are better, but many adamantly say they are not. I don't have any way to gauge GFX cards because I have only had one computer & this one has a 6600, which is old! If you guys could get facts for the cards that would also be nice.

Cooling! Oh, I don't know. I am afraid of water. All I know is air. TEC...what is that? Phase...what is that?

Originally Posted by asb2106

now that I have used water with such sucess Ill never go back to air. I OCed a system for a friend and his e4400 was up to 72 degrees with what i thought was a mild OC. I have a 50% OC and my temps are alittle warm but never hot(always less that 50C)

I use a custom swiftech system I built and Im really interested in TEC, DaMulta, can you recommend a good CPU block, Im familiar with the extra PS needed along with the relay setup to hook it all in(Swiftech has a great guide with their TEC unit)

Guide me, oh, wise ones!

[DaMulta]

I use 4 sticks of ram, some people say don't do that. But each his own, and I don't think in most cases you will need more than 2.


Tec is used with water to hit subzero temps. Which means a better stable and higher overclock.

This is the TEC block that I have been thinking about
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/65...tml?tl=g30c105


Don't be afraid of water, it's the best all around way to cool a system. Just don't take short cuts like some of us do from time to time....

Right now I have my CPU on a Danger Den block and a mase4 on my video card. I want to go back to TEC sometime this year.



A phase is like having your A/C system on your machine.

[Franklinwallbrown]

What ever you guys think I should do. I'm not the expert, but if we go water I need your help!

[DaMulta]

Water is easier than what people think it is. Maybe TEC isn't the way to go for you. You viod the warrenty on your motherboard when you go tec.

GIGABYTE 3D AURORA GZ-FSCA1-ATB Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail $139.99
Has holes for water cooling, and the black ice will go right on the back on the case.
Danger Den DD12V-D5 Fixed Speed Pump $76.95

Danger Den Dual 5 1/4" Bay Reservoir : $31.95

Black Ice GTX240 $99.95

Now that rad I think will pull 800-1200 watts from a system of hear with max fans. It is around thatn that.
I have that rad and used to cool two 180Watt TECs with it.

Now you need to look at what kind of blocks you want. With a fan controller you can make the system kindda quite with water.

[Franklinwallbrown]

Originally Posted by DaMulta

Water is easier than what people think it is. Maybe TEC isn't the way to go for you. You viod the warrenty on your motherboard when you go tec.

GIGABYTE 3D AURORA GZ-FSCA1-ATB Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail $139.99
Has holes for water cooling, and the black ice will go right on the back on the case.
Danger Den DD12V-D5 Fixed Speed Pump $76.95

Danger Den Dual 5 1/4" Bay Reservoir : $31.95

Black Ice GTX240 $99.95

Now that rad I think will pull 800-1200 watts from a system of hear with max fans. It might be a little lower than that, but that's what I remember them saying.

I have that rad and used to cool two 180Watt TECs with it.

Now you need to look at what kind of blocks you want. With a fan controller you can make the system kindda quite with water.

Why that case?

Lead the way; when I get the money! Until then you can teach me.

[DaMulta]

Because it's easy to work on a water system with it, and is a good case at the same time.

[Franklinwallbrown]

It was all aluminum. Therefore, light.

[DaMulta]

and colder

[Franklinwallbrown]

Ah, well...

I figured out that the sundialmicro cosmos case dosen't have a MIR. lol, just funny 'cause they have it posted on their site.

[DaMulta]

http://www.techpowerup.com/gallery/1311.html

Here is a look at that case.