Bill Gates: Windows 7 May Ship Next Year

i would rather wait and have a good OS that is better than XP than have another rushed OS that is buggy and slower than the OS it replaced (Vista)

If M$ want to make another good OS and convince the people who are firmly sticking with XP to change OS they need to:

1. Not have crazy system requirments, the reccomended amount of RAM should be around 512MB and should run pretty well with that, 1GB is far too much for an OS to be "all right"

2. Can be advanced as it is simple, making an OS too simple can make it very annoying for anyone who wants to do things other than word processing and looking at images.

3. Have far better backwards compatability with applications than Vista did.

4. Not change the GUI significantly, M$ need to remember that people love the lay out of XP/2000/98.

5. Not copy Apple's every move with there GUI and design there own for a change.

6. and finally not do the typical M$ thing like they did with Windows ME, Xbox 360 and Windows Vista and release somthing that is full of bugs, no better than what it replaced, slow and unreliable.

[Solaris17]

Originally Posted by Triprift

If ya ask me id say nothing but then ive thought that for a while.

me too...iv neve3r had a problem with vista iv been able to get it to run decent on ever rig i put it on....the only ime i ever had trouble with vista is when i was beta testing it...and then the name speaks for it self....and even in beta it was my primary os i love how the ppl who bad mouth vista..


A. dont like change to begin with
B. have never used the OS and jump on a hate vista bandwagon
C. the only time they tried it was on a 1.8Ghz athlon XP with 512mb of ram (what were you expecting? honestly)
D. they dont like it because when they have a problem they dont know how to fix it and shun the os forever

[Azazel]

wow..vista was a flop...dam...trying to get rid of it so fast

[Triprift]

Originally Posted by Solaris17

me too...iv neve3r had a problem with vista iv been able to get it to run decent on ever rig i put it on....the only ime i ever had trouble with vista is when i was beta testing it...and then the name speaks for it self....and even in beta it was my primary os i love how the ppl who bad mouth vista..


A. dont like change to begin with
B. have never used the OS and jump on a hate vista bandwagon
C. the only time they tried it was on a 1.8Ghz athlon XP with 512mb of ram
D. they dont like it because when they have a problem they dont know how to fix it and shun the os forever

I coudnt agree more Sol it seems the in thing for a while now to rubbish Vista.

Excellent post been a few recently top stuff

Originally Posted by azazel

wow..vista was a flop...dam...trying to get rid of it so fast

couldn't agree more

[Solaris17]

Originally Posted by Triprift

I coudnt agree more Sol it seems the in thing for a while now to rubbish Vista.

Excellent post been a few recently top stuff

thank you iv been trying a little harder lately.

[speedpc]

Originally Posted by TheGuruStud

1.) fail at producing a news OS, so slap shit on top of XP

2.) make another shitty OS and call it the best ever so ppl pay to get rid of vista

3.) ????

4.) profit

This is so true !!!! It's sad but that is how everyone is doing it now. Make money, don't fix things that don't work for the Customer. Look at UT3 !!! Is there ever more than 100 people online at 1 time (lol) but they will fix it soon with UT2009 (More Money). Another good one is the Creative mess here: http://www.overclockers.com/tips01312/
so don't try to correct it yourself get your check book ready for the fixes to come with something new oh yea and it will be better we promise lol

There are a few companies that stand by there work like EVGA, OCZ,NewEgg, just to name a few. The rest of the companies need to look at how these GOOD companies treat there Customers and change there ways. WOW did i just vent ????

[BumbRush]

Vista was a hack job update to sell more copys of windows to stupid people and to force people who want to pc game to buy a new os, one problem, dx10 is POINTLESS, i have yet to see a game that looks drasticly diffrent in dx10 vs dx9 modes, so the whole "dx10 looks better and runs better" thing they tryed to spout is a crock(check some benches dx10 runs worse/slower then dx9 mode......)

vista is more a proof of concept design like auto makers show off at car shows, its pretty, its shiny, but its not something you probbly want to own/drive around if your into quility.

vista is form over function, as in my openion is macos(as it has been since 9)

hope they dont fuk it up, lets all hope the rummors are true, i want a small, fast modular os.....not more bloated crap full of lagacy code from the early 90's.......

[FatForester]

Originally Posted by Solaris17

me too...iv neve3r had a problem with vista iv been able to get it to run decent on ever rig i put it on....the only ime i ever had trouble with vista is when i was beta testing it...and then the name speaks for it self....and even in beta it was my primary os i love how the ppl who bad mouth vista..


A. dont like change to begin with
B. have never used the OS and jump on a hate vista bandwagon
C. the only time they tried it was on a 1.8Ghz athlon XP with 512mb of ram (what were you expecting? honestly)
D. they dont like it because when they have a problem they dont know how to fix it and shun the os forever

I couldn't agree more! People hate Vista mainly because of that marketing snafu with 'Vista Capable'. It's truly sad that their marketing team put such a shadow on what otherwise is a great OS to use.

Anyway, I've read some articles concerning Windows 7, and they talk of it turning modular with yearly / monthly payments. Modular sounds like a great idea for slower computers and for people who want to easily customize their OS. The rumors about the payments are what concerns me... if they pull that off I'll be going to Linux.

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by BumbRush

Vista was a hack job update to sell more copys of windows to stupid people and to force people who want to pc game to buy a new os, one problem, dx10 is POINTLESS, i have yet to see a game that looks drasticly diffrent in dx10 vs dx9 modes, so the whole "dx10 looks better and runs better" thing they tryed to spout is a crock(check some benches dx10 runs worse/slower then dx9 mode......)

vista is more a proof of concept design like auto makers show off at car shows, its pretty, its shiny, but its not something you probbly want to own/drive around if your into quility.

vista is form over function, as in my openion is macos(as it has been since 9)

hope they dont fuk it up, lets all hope the rummors are true, i want a small, fast modular os.....not more bloated crap full of lagacy code from the early 90's.......

Applying the same logic if you compare Windows 2000 (Professional) with XP, same applies. It's always been the order when a new version of Windows comes out.

[trog100]

for the world to change operating systems cost the world a bloody fortune.. this aint about whats wrong with vista.. its about what was wrong with XP and just why should the world jump when microsoft speaks..

for me to change operating systems there really does have to be some major gain for me.. so far nobody has told me what they are..

more pretties.. but slower and buggier and needing a new computer to run it.. .. hmmm.. how f-cking stupid MS must think the average PC user is.. they are taking the piss to be honest..

trog

[Solaris17]

Id simply stay with vista....if the rumors are infact true...i mean ppl dislike vista because it doesnt run properly on their hardware...i have a dual or single core 3800 and 2 gigs of ram and vista runs horribly on my machine with a agp 6800...well you see their inlies the problem...ppl did the same thing with XP......the XP to vista transition is no diff than the 2000 to XP transition...ppl complained that windows XP didnt run good on their 700mhz 128mb ram computer as well as 2000 did..well what did you think would happen? XP has a bunch of cool themes new processes new ways of handling things extra features.....of course it doesnt run as well...the same thing with vista..only instead of 700mhz it runs poorly on 1.5+ghz rigs....but the transition is no diff....vista has new features new processes other ways of handling a prettier interface...its the same problem and of course it doesnt run right on some ppls hardware it was known rom the beggining that vista would toll current systems just like XP tolled current systems back when 1GHZ procs were current...i honestly dont see the grounds of some ppls arguments..if you dont like it...turn off the cool effects take the hour or so to kill the processes and tweak your system its not anymore time than ppl took with XP to get it to run on their 700mhz rigs..so why the complaining?...of course ill give ppl credit some of the ppl that complain SOME are the kids who grew up to like computers in the XP era so they dont understand the transition but to those ppl bealive me its exactly the same..

[eidairaman1]

its ironic that NT (1993) is older than 9X and was originally meant for High End machines (Servers/Workstations), still sucks for most part (still loses some data even after a power failure or shutdown, just try check disk you will see it)

[phanbuey]

ahhh... i said this was going to happen a long time ago when i was first bashing windows VIsta... and then all the vistards (not you solaris) came in and said (almost identical):

"i run it on my [insert crappy specs here] with full aero and its GREAT!!!"

"I run it and i love it, you just hate CHANGE..."

"You need to understand... that microsoft isnt going to give up an OS that they spent so much blah no such thing as sunk costs blah time and money."

"this happens with every windows version.." (except for 2000, and 2003 server, and well... i think NT4.0 but meh i could be wrong)

What none of these people understand is... there is GOOD change, and there is BAD change. Saying Vista bashers hate change is rediculous. And now all those people that hate vista bashing so much can thank all the bashers for getting M$ to release a better OS sooner! with DX10!!!

So yes... all of you that think no one is entitled to their opinion because you like your crap OS.


You're welcome.

(except for Solaris, who made a nifty start-up disk)

[Triprift]

errr why are u running vista then and phanbuey the vista sucks crowds alot louder than the vista rules crowd im entitled to my opinion just as much as u are yeah i love my crap os

[Assimilator]

Originally Posted by Bill Gates

Sometime in the next year or so we will have a new version.

Notice that he didn't say that a new Windows version will be available to consumers next year. I'm pretty sure that in this context, "we" refers to Microsoft and "having a new version" means they will have the core of the OS written. So I'm reading this statement more as, "Microsoft will start internal alpha-testing on Windows 7 sometime in 2009".

Of course, I'd be happy to be proved wrong . XP is getting a bit long in the tooth but it still handles all my needs, and there's no way I'm going to Vista just for DX10 that none of my hardware, and a tiny portion of my software, supports.

I just hope that Microsoft delivers on their original promise with Vista and writes Windows 7 in 100% managed code (.NET Framework). That would be the most stable OS ever released, period.

[indybird]

Originally Posted by Solaris17

Id simply stay with vista....if the rumors are infact true...i mean ppl dislike vista because it doesnt run properly on their hardware...i have a dual or single core 3800 and 2 gigs of ram and vista runs horribly on my machine with a agp 6800...well you see their inlies the problem...ppl did the same thing with XP......the XP to vista transition is no diff than the 2000 to XP transition...ppl complained that windows XP didnt run good on their 700mhz 128mb ram computer as well as 2000 did..well what did you think would happen? XP has a bunch of cool themes new processes new ways of handling things extra features.....of course it doesnt run as well...the same thing with vista..only instead of 700mhz it runs poorly on 1.5+ghz rigs....but the transition is no diff....vista has new features new processes other ways of handling a prettier interface...its the same problem and of course it doesnt run right on some ppls hardware it was known rom the beggining that vista would toll current systems just like XP tolled current systems back when 1GHZ procs were current...i honestly dont see the grounds of some ppls arguments..if you dont like it...turn off the cool effects take the hour or so to kill the processes and tweak your system its not anymore time than ppl took with XP to get it to run on their 700mhz rigs..so why the complaining?...of course ill give ppl credit some of the ppl that complain SOME are the kids who grew up to like computers in the XP era so they dont understand the transition but to those ppl bealive me its exactly the same..

Solaris, you just keep hitting it right on the money. I couldn't agree more. The only things I feel that microsoft did wrong here was to:
A) make Vista a requirement for several things
B) act as if they are cutting off XP so you have to use Vista
C) not fix (or get on other companies backs to fix) all of the hardware and software compatibility problems

If they made a few minor changes to the OS, changed their marketing strategy and given themselves 3-4 more months to fix bugs then Vista would've probably been way more popular than it was.

I can't wait for Windows 7. I've upgraded from Windows 98 to Windows 2000 to Windows XP to Windows Vista and have not been disappointed once along the way. Besides the XP to Vista Upgrade I got a new computer with every OS: a computer that was made to run that and the current performance intensive programs.

What I am hoping Windows 7 will have:
-Faster file system (NTFS has gotta go; WinFS anyone?)
-Keep Vista Aero, Windows Classic but also put a XP-like theme back in
-Get rid of the 32-bit RAM limit
-Keep the automatic driver finder (A very overlooked feature of Vista)
-Continue the whole theme of OS-Program-Hardware integration (Have the OS know what programs/hardware are made to do and have relating utilities and options to enhance their use)
-More gaming oriented options (Vista was going in the right direction: Games for Windows, Game Explorer, etc. But then it didn't with the whole flop of DX10)
-Performance mode: run windows in a stripped "no-special-features" mode either for performance or simplicity

I have about a million more things I'd like to see in Windows 7, but I cant think of them off hand.

-Indybird

[Solaris17]

Originally Posted by phanbuey

ahhh... i said this was going to happen a long time ago when i was first bashing windows VIsta... and then all the vistards (not you solaris) came in and said (almost identical):

"i run it on my [insert crappy specs here] with full aero and its GREAT!!!"

"I run it and i love it, you just hate CHANGE..."

"You need to understand... that microsoft isnt going to give up an OS that they spent so much blah no such thing as sunk costs blah time and money."

"this happens with every windows version.." (except for 2000, and 2003 server, and well... i think NT4.0 but meh i could be wrong)

What none of these people understand is... there is GOOD change, and there is BAD change. Saying Vista bashers hate change is rediculous. And now all those people that hate vista bashing so much can thank all the bashers for getting M$ to release a better OS sooner! with DX10!!!

So yes... all of you that think no one is entitled to their opinion because you like your crap OS.


You're welcome.

(except for Solaris, who made a nifty start-up disk)

lol thnak you and your totally entitled to you opinion....im not nay say tword ppl who dont like the OS and neither am i for the ppl who think vista rocks and ate ppl who wont change to it...im really not saying all ppl are afraiod of change im actually not thinking of anyone inparticular..i simply stated that those are a few of the reasons...

for example

A. some ppl are afraiod of change and though that is understandable is no reason to bash and not simply try the os out.

B. the ppl who jump on the bandwagon are especially at the gun becauser they havent tried it though i totally understand the bugs and rumors going around make it un appeling.

C. The ppl running it on old computers are asking for it ..and though it doesnt run right on that system i honestly dont think thats fair ground to call out an OS..though i completely understand some ppl cant help their situation either they dont want o or they dont have enough money to upgrade their computer (nor would they want to especially if its done simply for an OS) i am honestly the latter of the 2 im a super poor bastard..i cant afford any parts and when i get my tax return i will be upgrading its still going to be tight..it was mer chance my computer could run it as i had upgraded my computer spacifically for crysis. And its not like im completely oblivious..though who remember mny remember the athlon XP rig i had and thats what i beta tested vista on.

D.And the problem if you have a problem with the Os it should be expected...GRANTED anything you need to pay an obsene amount of money for should include some sort of functonality..however that is not to say you couldnt expect it...vista is a NEW OS and as any new software comes out you have updates i would like you to give me one example of something that didnt need an update...im not talking about something you didnt BOTHER updating im talking about a new or old program that has had no updates because it doesnt need one...and though ppl may have technical diffuculties with vista it is not beyond their power to fix it....remember XP SP1? that had a huge arsanal of problmes and though i have never delt with that personally and maybe neither have these types of ppl thats not going without saying the problems didnt exist which i can assure you they did...and just like than you open up a registry modification prog you run msconfig and services.msc..and you get to work making it better and trying to figure it out...i mean its not like we dont know how to trouble shoot..ask anyone on TPU....the only rason 99% of us are here is because we sighned up because we had a problem...or else why would we be registered on a tech forum....?


im not calling anyone out..i can see both sides...iv lived on boh ends i understand...however have being from both ends of the spectrum i can still raise the valid arguments..because i find most of the time...those are infact the things holding ppl back and the majority of the time they can be over come with technical skill patience and a pack of cigarettes like all the other OS's before it.

[flashstar]

Milestone 1 was released quite a while ago for Windows 7. Also, Milestone 2 has or will be out very soon. They've been alpha testing for 6 months...

[EastCoasthandle]

So, it looks like some of those who wish to throw the "my system is better then yours" card around in many of the forums will never get the glory days they thought they were expecting . All to often have I read these kind of post when someone had problems with Vista. All to often have I've seen that card used to imply that the person who had problems had a crappy, old, outdated PC. We now know that Vista is nothing more then a stop gap tool for some to imply "I have a uber system". I hope with Win7 we return to sensibility and responsibility, that we don't use our OS to toot our PC. If and when this comes true, I say good!

[Ravenas]

I just spent 300$ of Vista Ultimate 64-bit OEM and now Bill Gates is telling me he doesn't like the current OS so they are going to release another to turn profit in 09.

I'm not going to spend my hard earned money on another OS anytime soon just so Bill Gates and his employees can make a profit and get paid.

If they want to do anything, they should come out with a Vista 1.1 that upgrades the current OS for a 90$-120$ price tag.

Microsoft Microsoft OS Users

And people wonder why Apple is growing so fast?...Microsoft kicked themselves and their consumers in the nuts hardcore with this.

[phanbuey]

Originally Posted by Triprift

errr why are u running vista then and phanbuey the vista sucks crowds alot louder than the vista rules crowd im entitled to my opinion just as much as u are yeah i love my crap os

Yes, yes you are.

I admit, I run visa (and i love me my bioshock in DX10), but its not like there are that many alternatives that run DX10. Plus, [insert more excuses here]...

Yeah, definitely not voting with my feet this time... But SOON! (oh god, please dont make buy a mac... NOOOOO.... AAAAAARGHGHGRR...<gurgle>..)

[MKmods]

Wasent Mr. Gates retiring?

[Ravenas]

Originally Posted by phanbuey

Yes, yes you are.

I admit, I run visa (and i love me my bioshock in DX10), but its not like there are that many alternatives that run DX10. Plus, [insert more excuses here]...

Yeah, definitely not voting with my feet this time... But SOON! (oh god, please dont make buy a mac... NOOOOO.... AAAAAARGHGHGRR...<gurgle>..)

Running visa is bad, you should cut it as soon as possible.

[EastCoasthandle]

MKmods,

I believe he is, but he Created MS so even while retired he still has some say in company direction. Remember MR. Gates isn't some elected higher up...