NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GX2 Cards to Get New GPUs?

malware · Apr 23, 2008, 05:09 PM

NVIDIA was reported today to plan on changing the G92-450 GPUs found on current GeForce 9800 GX2 cards with an updated G92-451 parts. However, the transition will be almost invisible as the G92-451 is pin to pin compatible to G92-450. Cards won't even need an updated BIOS. The reason for this change is due to improved manufacturing yields and ensured continuity of NVTTM production supply. That's also the part where previous reports of NVIDIA shortening the life-span of GeForce 9800 GX2 become somewhat doubtful.

Source: VR-Zone

iLLz · Apr 23, 2008, 07:31 PM

Even though its not likely, I wonder if there is any way this could mean reduced power consumption and/or greater performance. One could hope.

lemonadesoda · Apr 23, 2008, 10:49 PM

I think so, because you DONT change your chip number unless you have changed the design in some way. You certainly dont change the chip number depending on yields. Can you imagine, some fabs do better, some worse, some batches of silicon are better, some worse... and EACH TIME getting a different chip number? Nonsense.

So they have changed something. Even if that change is very small.

Mussels · Apr 24, 2008, 05:06 AM

the change is probably to a cheaper method - cooler/more reliable is also a possibility. we've seen a lot of variations of G92 with different pixel pipelines/shader paths, so its also possible they're in/decreasing those.

newtekie1 · Apr 24, 2008, 02:28 PM

Most likely, a certain area was responsible to the majority of the failed parts. So they redesigned that one small area to increase yeilds. I doubt performance will be affected in any way, though maybe with the redesign higher clock speeds will be possible.(I can hope can't I

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DaedalusHelios · Apr 24, 2008, 07:10 PM

hopefully this gets rid of the EOL prediction.

Mussels · Apr 25, 2008, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DaedalusHelios

hopefully this gets rid of the EOL prediction.

my guess (after the fact) would be that the original GPU was EOL'd to be replaced with this new one - peopel saw the GPU being canned and got the wrong idea.

DaedalusHelios · Apr 25, 2008, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mussels

my guess (after the fact) would be that the original GPU was EOL'd to be replaced with this new one - peopel saw the GPU being canned and got the wrong idea.

I think this one will have the same specs but cost them alot less to produce so maybe the prices will go down.

candle_86 · Apr 25, 2008, 06:52 AM

well we know the 9800GT is 55nm, who wants to bet the 9800GT uses G92-451

Mussels · Apr 25, 2008, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candle_86

well we know the 9800GT is 55nm, who wants to bet the 9800GT uses G92-451

wouldnt be a shock. 55nm would let them get more dies per wafer (cheaper) run cooler (quieter) and possibly let them raise the clocks

btarunr · Apr 25, 2008, 07:14 AM

So what's the difference between the two G92 variants?

DaedalusHelios · Apr 25, 2008, 07:20 AM

nobody knows yet.

candle_86 · Apr 25, 2008, 07:54 AM

i can tell yall if you can load me a flux capacitor, and some plutonium, i already got a car to put it in that does way more than 88mph, just make sure ya dont get parts from the Lybians please. And i promise to buy a alot of 9800GX2's but ill go to say 2015 so they are as cheap as a TNT2 is today

DaedalusHelios · Apr 25, 2008, 07:57 AM

but with inflation they might be the same...

candle_86 · Apr 25, 2008, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaedalusHelios

but with inflation they might be the same...

god i hope not, well if they do ill just take my computer back in time to say 1995 and sell it there and then go buy me lots of new hardware, wonder what an x2 4200, 2gb of ram, and an 8600GTS with an 80gb drive would fetch in 95 hehe

DaedalusHelios · Apr 25, 2008, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by candle_86

god i hope not, well if they do ill just take my computer back in time to say 1995 and sell it there and then go buy me lots of new hardware, wonder what an x2 4200, 2gb of ram, and an 8600GTS with an 80gb drive would fetch in 95 hehe

Around 2 billion dollars so a company could take it apart and use the technology to build their parts the same.

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