Ctrl Alt Del, Vista

Dangle · May 24, 2008, 06:15 AM

Vista is the best windows OS. If you disagree, it's probably because you haven't noticed that when a program does crash, the task manager always takes precedence over other programs. This is probably why the OS uses more resources, but it runs great on 2gb of ram. Ctrl Alt Del always works, and always closes the crashed program. I've never had to restart my computer because of a crashed program. Also, you don't have to wait for more than a second or two for the task manager to show up - even if you're in a game! The only thing that sux about vista is the User Account Control that's enabled by default.

beyond_amusia · May 24, 2008, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dangle

Vista is the best windows OS. If you disagree, it's probably because you haven't noticed that when a program does crash, the task manager always takes precedence over other programs. This is probably why the OS uses more resources, but it runs great on 2gb of ram. Ctrl Alt Del always works, and always closes the crashed program. I've never had to restart my computer because of a crashed program. Also, you don't have to wait for more than a second or two for the task manager to show up - even if you're in a game! The only thing that sux about vista is the User Account Control that's enabled by default.

This is usully true... Windows Vista is good at closing crashed apps before they take down the whole PC and it'll even restart some apps for you. The only time I've had issues with stuff locking up the machine is when using buggy drivers. Think back to ME... It was plauged by bad drivers and old drivers more than anything else, much like how Vista is.

-1nf1n1ty- · May 24, 2008, 06:54 AM

This is actually pretty cool I never knew that

farlex85 · May 24, 2008, 07:13 AM

I've had to do a hard restart before. Most of the time it is good about ending the program causing problems though.

Wile E · May 24, 2008, 09:11 AM

The only time I've had to hard-restart is after a driver crash. An app has never locked up Vista on me.

beyond_amusia · May 24, 2008, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Wile E

The only time I've had to hard-restart is after a driver crash. An app has never locked up Vista on me.

Same here... the only 'app' lock up I had was related to a driver (sound card).

pagalms · May 24, 2008, 10:28 AM

Yeah, Vista is great. I've got only 4 BSOD's since install (2 of them caused by ALt+F4 exit from GRID what resulted with video driver crash and 2 because too low RAM voltage).

oli_ramsay · May 24, 2008, 10:32 AM

It's great, but it took me ages to find out the shortcut to task manager is ctrl+shift+esc. Kept going to task manager via the blue and green logon type screen. Never going back to XP!

EviLZeD · May 24, 2008, 10:46 AM

i gotta agree when some of my games or apps crash task manager can always be launched from my experience in xp i had to always restart

beyond_amusia · May 24, 2008, 10:59 AM

so why are people still hating on vista? I hated on it until I got a copy of it and installed it... It is a bit slower than XP at a few things, but Windows 2000 was faster than XP and so and on so forth...
My only gripe is that audio stutters occasionally (on several sound cards), but that's why I use XP for audio production.

DanTheBanjoman · May 24, 2008, 11:28 AM

What is the point of your statement? What you're basically saying "Vista rocks and if you disagree you're wrong" I fail to see a point that is open to discussion, something you wish to argue about or whatever.

"the task manager always takes precedence over other programs. This is probably why the OS uses more resources"
That makes no sense.

beyond_amusia · May 24, 2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DanTheBanjoman

What is the point of your statement? What you're basically saying "Vista rocks and if you disagree you're wrong" I fail to see a point that is open to discussion, something you wish to argue about or whatever.

"the task manager always takes precedence over other programs. This is probably why the OS uses more resources"
That makes no sense.

no, it don't make sense, lmao... The OS isolating the applications to prevent a system lock-up would not make it 'slow', it would make it 'stable'.
Most PCs I've seen Vista on are just slow machines.. 'Wal-Mart computers' if you will...
But, with proper hardware and drivers, Vista is more stable than XP when it comes to applications crashing, imo.

largon · May 24, 2008, 02:36 PM

I used Vista for ~year and went back to XP just a week ago and I can't tell any difference.

Darknova · May 24, 2008, 02:51 PM

Same thing happens on my XP x64 install, I fail to see the point in this thread except as a need for you to validate spending all that money on an OS which is not really that much better than XP or XP x64, it is better, just not by much.

jonmcc33 · May 24, 2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by largon

I used Vista for ~year and went back to XP just a week ago and I can't tell any difference.

Hold on, let me send you a virus (especially if you use AVG).

Then you'll see the difference between Windows Vista and XP.

No need for Ctrl+Alt+Del. That just brings up a crazy screen (with an option to select Task Manager). If you want Task Manager, just press Ctrl+Shift+Esc. Shazam!

mrw1986 · May 24, 2008, 03:01 PM

Not true....I've had to restart my PC more times than I can count due to freezings etc where Task Manager NEVER pops up. Its all software related errors as well, nothing hardware related.

AsRock · May 24, 2008, 03:01 PM

Not to start a argument but i am glad i did not buy it. How ever i do like it. BUT i find less programs load less issue's with XP x64.

As for SP1 one for vista is giving me more problems than i have ever had with XP x64. I would of been so depressed if i actually brought Vista. BUT i did not MS gave it me and better still it's a retail version too. It'l get better over time just like XP x64 did.

acperience7 · May 24, 2008, 03:14 PM

My sister just got a new inspiron laptop with Vista and for the short amount of time i used it, it was actually quite nice. I may install it on my desktop for my next reformatt just to really test it out since I basically got it for free. Doubt I'll keep though.

Dangle · May 24, 2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DanTheBanjoman

What is the point of your statement? What you're basically saying "Vista rocks and if you disagree you're wrong" I fail to see a point that is open to discussion, something you wish to argue about or whatever.

"the task manager always takes precedence over other programs. This is probably why the OS uses more resources"
That makes no sense.

Woah! take it easy, Mary.

"the task manager always takes precedence over other programs. This is probably why the OS uses more resources" - A small amount of CPU and RAM resources are dedicated to the OS rather than giving 100% to the applications. This is the reason the task manager always loads up.

This is a thread for those of you who don't have Vista and bash the program. It's also an informative thread to those who do have Vista and haven't noticed the stability.

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Originally Posted by oli_ramsay

It's great, but it took me ages to find out the shortcut to task manager is ctrl+shift+esc. Kept going to task manager via the blue and green logon type screen. Never going back to XP!

Thanks!!! I had no idea you could get to the task manager without going to that login screen first!!

GLD · May 24, 2008, 05:47 PM

My 2 complaints with Vista is the UAC and with 64bit you have to F8 into the menu to disable DSE just to get your unsigned drivers to work. I understand this is all to promote extra security though.

Off topic a bit, but I liked ME heaps more the 98(SE). 98 gave me WAY more grief then ME. Guess I just had my rig all polished and ME compliant.

jonmcc33 · May 24, 2008, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mrw1986

Not true....I've had to restart my PC more times than I can count due to freezings etc where Task Manager NEVER pops up. Its all software related errors as well, nothing hardware related.

Well, if you use older outdated software try running them in Compatibility Mode. Windows Vista supports all prior OSes even back to Windows 95. Half of the space used by Vista after an initial install is all for compatibility.

I won't deny that there are applications that just won't work in Vista. That's why you get updates or new versions.

Squirrely · May 24, 2008, 06:11 PM

Yeah, never really understood too much why people bash it. Well, people did it to XP, and went back to 98, etc. So I guess its just the tradition, lol.

In Vista, I have only had a few BSOD's. Most of them were caused by me, testing settings on RAM, etc, lol. One was a freak one. BSOD'ed when I Alt-Tabbed out of Halo 2, but its never happened again.

But I am happy with Vista, and it runs great with 4gb of ram as well, lol.

Dangle · May 24, 2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jonmcc33

I won't deny that there are applications that just won't work in Vista. That's why you get updates or new versions.

Do you remember what happened when OSX came out? None of Macs software worked, but people didn't complain about like they do with Vista.

I'll admit, when Vista first released, I had many issues, but that was mostly because NVidia or Creative didn't release Vista drivers until later. They were all unstable, old beta drivers. Now my PC runs better than any I've ever pwned.

I did get a red screen of death once tho. I ran Crysis demo at 1920x1200 Max graphics with 2900xt and a q6600. Bad idea. 1fps for a few min then.... BOOM~!

jonmcc33 · May 24, 2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dangle

Do you remember what happened when OSX came out? None of Macs software worked, but people didn't complain about like they do with Vista.

That's because nobody used Macs back then.

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Originally Posted by Dangle

I'll admit, when Vista first released, I had many issues, but that was mostly because NVidia or Creative didn't release Vista drivers until later. They were all unstable, old beta drivers. Now my PC runs better than any I've ever pwned.

I agree. I just switched to Vista Business x64 (uses the same VLA license that my work's 32-bit Vista Business uses) and OMG I am blown away! Everything is quicker, everything just works and now I can live in relative glee that I don't have to worry as much about 32-bit viruses.

CrAsHnBuRnXp · May 24, 2008, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmcc33

Hold on, let me send you a virus (especially if you use AVG).

Then you'll see the difference between Windows Vista and XP.

No need for Ctrl+Alt+Del. That just brings up a crazy screen (with an option to select Task Manager). If you want Task Manager, just press Ctrl+Shift+Esc. Shazam!

The whole Ctrl+Shift+Esc should be used to get that crazy screen with those options and Ctrl+Alt+Del should bring up TM.

May 24, 2008, 06:15 AM	#1
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May 24, 2008, 10:59 AM	#10
beyond_amusia Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 857 (0.38/day) Thanks: 253 Thanked 63 Times in 62 Posts System Specs	so why are people still hating on vista? I hated on it until I got a copy of it and installed it... It is a bit slower than XP at a few things, but Windows 2000 was faster than XP and so and on so forth... My only gripe is that audio stutters occasionally (on several sound cards), but that's why I use XP for audio production. __________________ Being honest about who you are sometimes comes at a price, but it's worth it.

May 24, 2008, 11:28 AM	#11
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mrw1986 Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wallingford, CT Posts: 1,997 (0.90/day) Thanks: 122 Thanked 338 Times in 260 Posts System Specs	Not true....I've had to restart my PC more times than I can count due to freezings etc where Task Manager NEVER pops up. Its all software related errors as well, nothing hardware related. __________________ Visit TechFuzion.net My Heatware

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May 24, 2008, 05:47 PM	#20
GLD Join Date: May 2006 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 953 (0.37/day) Thanks: 59 Thanked 119 Times in 69 Posts System Specs	My 2 complaints with Vista is the UAC and with 64bit you have to F8 into the menu to disable DSE just to get your unsigned drivers to work. I understand this is all to promote extra security though. Off topic a bit, but I liked ME heaps more the 98(SE). 98 gave me WAY more grief then ME. Guess I just had my rig all polished and ME compliant.

Processor:	AMD Phenom II X4 965 Deneb.
Motherboard:	Biostar TA790XE.
Cooling:	CPU stock, AC 80's/case.
Memory:	8G Kingston HyperX T1 DDR2 1066.
Video Card:	Sapphire 2G 7850.
Hard Disk:	WD 500G sata 3.0 blue.
Optical Drive:	ASUS DVD burner.
CRT/LCD Model:	Sony 19" lcd, digital.
Case:	Blue Chenming 301KB.
Sound Card:	X-Fi Fatal1ty Xtreme Gamer, Logitech 2.1's.
PSU:	PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610.
Software:	Windows 7 x64 Ultimate.

May 24, 2008, 06:11 PM	#22
Squirrely Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 358 (0.19/day) Thanks: 38 Thanked 40 Times in 34 Posts System Specs	Yeah, never really understood too much why people bash it. Well, people did it to XP, and went back to 98, etc. So I guess its just the tradition, lol. In Vista, I have only had a few BSOD's. Most of them were caused by me, testing settings on RAM, etc, lol. One was a freak one. BSOD'ed when I Alt-Tabbed out of Halo 2, but its never happened again. But I am happy with Vista, and it runs great with 4gb of ram as well, lol. __________________

Processor:	Intel E8400 @ 3.6ghz (1.25v)
Motherboard:	Evga 680i SLI
Cooling:	ASUS Arctic Square
Memory:	4GB GSKILL PI Black (2x2GB) 4-4-4-12 @ 1.8v
Video Card:	EVGA GTX 275 Superclocked
Hard Disk:	WD 320GB (B3 revision)/WD 160GB
CRT/LCD Model:	Acer X241W
PSU:	PC Power and Cooling Silencer 750w
Software:	Windows 7 Ultimate x64

System Name:	H1200
Processor:	Intel i5 2500k @ 4.3GHz w/ Corsair H60
Motherboard:	Asus P8P67 (Rev 3.1)
Cooling:	1x200mm LED fan, 5x120mm LED fans
Memory:	G.skill DDR3 1600MHz 2x2GB @ 2133MHz
Video Card:	BFG nVIDIA GTX 285
Hard Disk:	Mushkin 120GB Chronos SSD, Seagate 750GB SATAII & WD 250GBx2 SATAII
Optical Drive:	LiteOn DVD-ROM, LG DVD-RW± DL SATA
CRT/LCD Model:	LG 24 inch Flatron
Case:	Antec Twelve Hundred Full Tower
Sound Card:	Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer / Plantronics Gamecom Headphones
PSU:	Corsair HX750w Professional Series
Software:	Windows 7 x64 Professional

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