What's wrong with our forum moderator staff?

[intel igent]

Originally Posted by Paulieg

That post does reflect some scary things about human beings, that's for sure. However, I don't believe that it applies in this situation. The mods here usually become mods due to their reputations as members first...for their knowledge, maturity, and ability to communicate effectively with members. Oh, and for those of us who are mature...the whole concept of e-penis is utterly ridiculous and sad.

i was just trying to shed some light as to the possibilities with that link

i know the term "e-peen" is immature i was just trying to use it as a "lite" description, know what i mean?

to be honest with you the only mod/s i can recall being member/s before mod/s was/were solaris17 and zek unless the other mod's were member's under different screen names and then changed their handle's after being "appointed"

i've made my point and i'm done with this thread.

good day to all



edit : i forgot about erocker sorry

[Kursah]

Originally Posted by imperialreign

I see where you all are coming from, and most, if not all of us here recognize the work load y'all have to deal with.

I just wanted to point out above that if mods don't mod equally, it creates a disturbance amoungst the hive - and I think that's where a lot of these issues keep cropping up from.

Look at it this way - if every mod carried out infractions/warnings in the same manner and for the same situations as the next mod - then there's no way that the users can complain that one mod is being more strict than the next, or that a user isn't being singled out from the hive . . .

plus, it makes it easier for mods to keep an eye on themselves in case someone does start getting carried away with themselves.

mod equally and with equality.

Good post, but I have one arguement to that...and it's called the "grey area". Where someone pushes just far enough to get an infraction and someone came close in the same type of situation and didn't recieve an infraction. Having every mod give infractions for the same things will make the more open forum environment we experience now feel like some other forums I no longer visit. I like seeing different styles executed...even in the real world (god forbid right? ), no 2 managers do their jobs the same...sure it may be close, and the company may try to enforce it, but I feel at least some diversity of even those in power is important. Think police, management, teachers, whatever...anyone that has power...in groups, noone is the same...that's just more reality, some are more strict, some are more leniant, some are more by the book, etc. This is not a black and white world, so expecting such results from a diverse staff is less important than getting those that are having a bad day to just lay off and step back for a little bit.

I mean no offense to ya imperial as I respect you and know you are a great value to this forum, but I do disagree with your post to an extent. I would rather have diversity on this forum not only in members and viewers, but with staff, I feel it's more important than what most read on the cover. I'm not saying a system with more defined rules is a bad thing, but those who want a stricter environment...there are plenty of forums out there that feature all sorts of levels in that aspect...there's a few good reasons I joined and stay at TPU...a good online environment with diversity, and a unique staff that does a great job yet doesn't put a spiked collar on every member are just a couple of them, but they are very important to me. Sure some staff may be stricter or harder to deal with...they have a duty to uphold...and after wading through so much shit for so long, your fuse is only going to continue to get shorter and shorter for more shit, and with the members bashing staff I see all the time on here, I wonder how some even visit TPU anymore...so thanks guys for sticking around (ya better stick around Polaris...sure take a vacation or something, maybe even step down to member status, but don't leave TPU, you're a great mod and a great member!).

Maybe I misunderstand your point imperial...if I do then I aplogize for that, in the end...I don't see why so many want change? TPU is a great place, generally those that have issues are those that want to have issues from what I've seen and experienced, even the best and most helpful members/staff have bad days..it happens, fortunately overall this place just kicks ass!

I have a thought for all of you guys, I mean no offense, but want to make a point:

Maybe if the mods are willing to be more consistent w/infractions and banning as a group, the members that fuck off, offend others and piss and moan about shit that's not their business in the first place can knock that off too? That's equality! Sure things may be more boring, but in the end wouldn't that be more fair?


Long live TPU! Even if you hate something about it...you still keep coming back for more...look you're reading my post right now!

[Thermopylae_480]

Originally Posted by allen337

Thought you guys were smart here. Sarcism with a behind it is no more or no less sarcism. Good thing you have members on here might have been all night googling to figure out what I meant. ALLEN

I think it is cute that you think I'm stupid.

[Thermopylae_480]

Originally Posted by intel igent

i was just trying to shed some light as to the possibilities with that link

i know the term "e-peen" is immature i was just trying to use it as a "lite" description, know what i mean?

to be honest with you the only mod/s i can recall being member/s before mod/s was/were solaris17 and zek unless the other mod's were member's under different screen names and then changed their handle's after being "appointed"

i've made my point and i'm done with this thread.

good day to all



edit : i forgot about erocker sorry

There aren't very many original moderators. I think Dan and Urlyin are the only ones. The rest of us were members that were asked to be moderators by either W1zzard or Urlyin.

I became a member in May of '05 and a moderator in November of '06.

[Paulieg]

Originally Posted by intel igent

i was just trying to shed some light as to the possibilities with that link

i know the term "e-peen" is immature i was just trying to use it as a "lite" description, know what i mean?

to be honest with you the only mod/s i can recall being member/s before mod/s was/were solaris17 and zek unless the other mod's were member's under different screen names and then changed their handle's after being "appointed"

i've made my point and i'm done with this thread.

good day to all



edit : i forgot about erocker sorry

and me.

[imperialreign]

Originally Posted by Kursah

Good post, but I have one arguement to that...and it's called the "grey area". Where someone pushes just far enough to get an infraction and someone came close in the same type of situation and didn't recieve an infraction. Having every mod give infractions for the same things will make the more open forum environment we experience now feel like some other forums I no longer visit. I like seeing different styles executed...even in the real world (god forbid right? ), no 2 managers do their jobs the same...sure it may be close, and the company may try to enforce it, but I feel at least some diversity of even those in power is important. Think police, management, teachers, whatever...anyone that has power...in groups, noone is the same...that's just more reality, some are more strict, some are more leniant, some are more by the book, etc. This is not a black and white world, so expecting such results from a diverse staff is less important than getting those that are having a bad day to just lay off and step back for a little bit.

I mean no offense to ya imperial as I respect you and know you are a great value to this forum, but I do disagree with your post to an extent. I would rather have diversity on this forum not only in members and viewers, but with staff, I feel it's more important than what most read on the cover. I'm not saying a system with more defined rules is a bad thing, but those who want a stricter environment...there are plenty of forums out there that feature all sorts of levels in that aspect...there's a few good reasons I joined and stay at TPU...a good online environment with diversity, and a unique staff that does a great job yet doesn't put a spiked collar on every member are just a couple of them, but they are very important to me. Sure some staff may be stricter or harder to deal with...they have a duty to uphold...and after wading through so much shit for so long, your fuse is only going to continue to get shorter and shorter for more shit, and with the members bashing staff I see all the time on here, I wonder how some even visit TPU anymore...so thanks guys for sticking around (ya better stick around Polaris...sure take a vacation or something, maybe even step down to member status, but don't leave TPU, you're a great mod and a great member!).

Maybe I misunderstand your point imperial...if I do then I aplogize for that, in the end...I don't see why so many want change? TPU is a great place, generally those that have issues are those that want to have issues from what I've seen and experienced, even the best and most helpful members/staff have bad days..it happens, fortunately overall this place just kicks ass!

I have a thought for all of you guys, I mean no offense, but want to make a point:

Maybe if the mods are willing to be more consistent w/infractions and banning as a group, the members that fuck off, offend others and piss and moan about shit that's not their business in the first place can knock that off too? That's equality! Sure things may be more boring, but in the end wouldn't that be more fair?


Long live TPU! Even if you hate something about it...you still keep coming back for more...look you're reading my post right now!

No - I completely agree with you Kursah, I just failed to mention this point in my earlier posts:

mods should be as diverse as we are, but when they have to go into "mod mode" is when I feel there need to be a little more equality and similarity between how they handle situations.

I mean, I understand that depending on what type of day each mod is having has a major impact on what they're willing to put up with . . .

but, I mean along the lines of how they handle offenses; for an example, what I thought was quite forgiving and very respectable:

Originally Posted by Solaris17

for example...

if i saw someone posting absurd amounts of language i would

First step

PM them asking them to edit it.

Second step

Tell them in public to change it by posting in the thread they did it in. if they didnt respond to the PM.

Third Step

Edit it myself.

Fourth step

if they continued to cuss hard core flam call names or troll they get a slight infraction.

Fifth Step

more severe infraction

Sixth

i would ban you for a week.

But, it doesn't always seem like every mod follows this formula, or any specific/set formula- modA might give you a warning, while modB might immediately issue an infraction, and modC might request that you edit the offending post

this difference in how mods approach the peace keeping is why, IMO, so many users feel singled out, when they see other users who've committed similar or worse and some mods pay it no attention.

[Kursah]

Originally Posted by imperialreign

...

But, it doesn't always seem like every mod follows this formula, or any specific/set formula- modA might give you a warning, while modB might immediately issue an infraction, and modC might request that you edit the offending post

this difference in how mods approach the peace keeping is why, IMO, so many users feel singled out, when they see other users who've committed similar or worse and some mods pay it no attention.

I do see your points, and I do agree, again only to an extent, but more of an extent!

Really, what the mods do to each member should be kept between the mods and members...but we all know that will never happen, same thing with businesses and manager-worker situations...people talk, tell stories and all of the sort. This really doesn't help the matter imo, things get flamned so large and pointless imo.

I can see why some can feel singled out...and if that's the case, maybe then multiple mods should step in, maybe have like a panel/board of 2-3 mods that (time allowing) investigate a tad, hear the stories, and make the final decision on the punishment. Not everyone get's a ticket for speeding (well at least when camera's aren't involved, and even then some get lucky), not everyone get's busted for pirating software/movies/music, not everyone will get busted for the same offenses on here...I just think that's going to lead to more stressed out mods and maybe even more mods...but that's from my point-of-view with my own opinions...again I could be wrong, so take what I say with a grain of salt for sure.

Those that feel singled out should instead of creating pointless flamage and wasted thread-space, should contact other mods, maybe request a review...if it's denied or not changed, well...must be good reason for it. No different than actual society and the "real world"...like I said earlier, everyone can commit the same crime/offense, only so many get caught and even out of those only so many get reprimanded for those offenses/crimes...a forum is no different in that context. Granted, I have not been singled out in a situation as some disgruntled members, and to you guys I apologize if I have offended you...that's not my point or goal, my point is finding a more mature and realistic way of solving the situation...maybe your offense is a "point maker"...in the end if you did the offense and got busted for it...you still commited the offense, I have been warned on here and even arrested in real life while I watched my "friends" get out of the same situation...yet I was the one to "go down" for the offense...sure it sucked, but my friends bailed me out, and in the end I didn't let it ruin my life...in real life that is, there's more important things out there than getting your panties in a bunch over a digital "no-no"...and for those that think there isn't...GO OUTSIDE DAMMIT!

[allen337]

Originally Posted by Thermopylae_480

I think it is cute that you think I'm stupid.

Oh your making me blush

[Kreij]

I posted some thoughts that I had on some percieved inconsistencies.
I say "percieved" because that is how "I" saw them. Perhaps they were not inconsistant at all.
But a simple PM to the moderators always cleared up any questions that I had.

That being said, I guess the one question I have to the members is "Why does everyone take everything so seriously?" This is an internet forum. Everyone on this forum is basically anonymous.
Why do people get so pissed off?
Is it too much caffiene or energy drinks? Steroid rage maybe? Meth addiction?

To get a little smack-down from a moderator is not a socially devistaing, life altering event.
It's an internet forum, for crying out loud. Lighten up people.

Even if you get banned for a short period of time (which is usually what it is unless you are a total asshat) it's not a big deal. For instance ...

Kreij : I'm just posted something that was completely out of place.
Thermopylea : I'm banning you for not following the forum guidelines.
Kreij : Okay, my mistake. I'll try not to let it happen again. See you in an hour, my friend.
Thermopylae : Okay, later.

This is obviously an over simplification, but there would be no drama or no hard feelings. I'll just go write some code or something for an hour and then get back to helping where I can.

Sometimes it surprises me the level of emotional involvement that people take on forums.
Maybe they need to spend more time in the real world and less in the virtual one.

[Thermopylae_480]

Originally Posted by allen337

Oh your making me blush

lol.

[Solaris17]

I just wanted to state something here...Now i know we are very on topic the last couple of pages and we are talking about things that this thread was made for but i would like to personally thank the mod team...their are a few of you who i think werent around when i was...for example erocker and paul were instated after i was demoted but you guys are doing a hell of a job...but id also like to thank each and every one of you the past couple of pages we have gone from stating whats wrong with tpu. To totally calling out mods and questioning their ways,and though this may be an effective way to get things changed or settled/more clear etc. I have to thank you guys for putting up with it honestly looking at some of these pages wow you guys just got totally molested. and id like to thank you. because you have inadvertantly made something extremely clear to members. Let me show you.

We just spent the last 2 pages tearing method madness and attitude a new ass. And with this meaningfull or not made moderators stop and think for a second if their doing a good job. poor polaris took a nose dive like seriously WTF? and thermo didnt post for a bit...When this all clears if you look no one has been banned no hard feelings when any lesser staff would flip out under such personal attacks intended or no in all honestly they could have had a full out ban frenzy and who could blame them? honestly before you post think about it. sure the line "their mods they should have the cool to keep them inline under such fire"? but dont you see? they dont...thats TPU go anyware else. weve all heard the horror storys of other sites mods going on banning frenzys because of a whim or a bad mood. and you want to know something the only reason that that line works is because our mods are better than theirs. are mods CAN put up with some of this stuff. Their character is the reason "they should be able to take it in and put up" because we all know it isnt the case at other sites. I think we should consider ourselves very lucky. Even with the complaints we have and even with 44 pages of them just stop and look at the big picture...wait TPU isnt that bad...its one of the best forums ever. We even have this thread which would not exist at other sites because we strive for perfection...we already have the best site and staff imo but we want more so we make a thread talking about everything that needs to be improved. and even though their is room to improve as always. Just stop and think for a sec wait TPU is already at the top were just making it better. You may have been to a site were the mods werent heavy handed but tell me how many of them were sallys tell me how chaotic the forum was .......wating...exactly.

To TPU's mods i tip my hat and to TPU's previous mods i remove it because thanks to them the guidlines were built and the ground set and thank you to the currents for keeping this place in check and not a cess pool.

No im not sucking up...im Solaris fun loving and semi arrogent i also bealive highley in well what i bealive in i need not brown nose because i already consider myself better than that i dont think i should because i already hope iv made enough impression on this forum for people to trust what i say and know who i am and what im about...just giving credit were its do

thank you TPU. 4 years of of my live and many more.

[allen337]

Originally Posted by Thermopylae_480

lol.

Solaris17 said it right I feel molested.

[Kreij]

Originally Posted by Thermopylae_480

lol.

What happened to the "no single word or smiley" rule ?

You guys are the best. I've never had this much fun on a forum even in the serious threads.

[Urlyin]

I would like to add my two cents and thus stir the pot some.. first I back any of the mods and stand behind what they do each and everyday. All graciously accepted their rolls and continuously display a passion to keep TPU a nice place for all to visit. No one and I mean no one is perfect and last but true ... there isn't one SOB here that knows it all and together we make a community. Now understand that we allow this debate and I appologize to the staff for the flak thrown their way, they didn't ask for the roll but stepped up when asked and continue to spend their time personal time to make this a better place. So allow us to help you and provide the support any large forum requires and remember if we were really the Neo Nazis A-holes we are portrayed to be there wouldn't even be a discussion.

If anyone has an issue with any of the mods should come to me.. especially if you are pm'd as some say and intimated in any fashion... never have I received or seen any such case since I have been here... keep the rest civil and the jokes aside, some of us are no longer laughing. I see any comments against the Moderators as a direct reflection of how I do my job...

[erocker]

I think this is national TPU "eff it" day. So, if that's the case, I just wan't to say I love all of you people. Even the people I have drawn swords with as a mod or otherwise, you are all great in your own respects and the only reason I'm a moderator is becuase I love this place and the people here are the finest around! As a mod, I know I may have rubbed some of you the wrong way at one point or another, and this is never my intention. My goal is to always be as honest and forthright with people as I can. That being said my PM box is always open, and I appreciate honesty and bluntness from people. So, I guess for me in particular, let me know if I'm being an ass, as I'm your equal, not some roaming internet cop or vigilante. I'm here because I want to help others.

*Sorry Urlyin, you posted while I was writing this...

[Kreij]

Originally Posted by Urlyin

I would like to add my two cents and thus stir the pot some..

I don't think you stirred the pot Urlyin, I think you put the lid on it.
We have been told numerous times, in numerous posts, that you can be contacted in the event of a dispute with moderators.
I don't think that is too difficult of a concept to grasp.
Thank you.

[Thermopylae_480]

Originally Posted by Kreij

What happened to the "no single word or smiley" rule ?

You guys are the best. I've never had this much fun on a forum even in the serious threads.

You are exactly right in that regard. I do apologize. Let me tell you though, my posts are typically a bit verbose, and perhaps 1/500 are that short. I sat considering a response to that post for quite some time. Honestly, I could not think of any other way to respond that accurately described my feelings. That one word response was well thought out and frankly elegant in its simplicity .

[imperialreign]

Originally Posted by Kreij

I don't think you stirred the pot Urlyin, I think you put the lid on it.
We have been told numerous times, in numerous posts, that you can be contacted in the event of a dispute with moderators.
I don't think that is too difficult of a concept to grasp.
Thank you.

agreed - and, I also think this installment of "What's wrong with our forums? . . . re-re-re-visited" is coming to a close as it seems sense is being sorted out and everyone is starting to come to terms and agreements.


now it's time for the dust to settle, this thread be laid back to rest, for all involved to recouperate, until such time that another users practices the dangerous voodoo art of internet necromancy and summons the thread back up for another installment of issues

[Triprift]

Hopefully that wont be for a while imperial im not one who likes conflict myself even tho it does breed results.

Theres always gonna be disputes and arguments as long as were calm about the situation then things shoudnt escalate.

[Thermopylae_480]

Same time August? That seems to be about the cycle for ressurection.

[intel igent]

Originally Posted by Thermopylae_480

Same time August? That seems to be about the cycle for ressurection.

YAY! just in time for my b-day!

bring the bansticks, i got the n00bs

[imperialreign]

Originally Posted by Thermopylae_480

Same time August? That seems to be about the cycle for ressurection.

2-3 months seems about right . . . about as accurate as the Mayan calendar

Nostradamus and Cayce even foresaw the resurgance

Originally Posted by Triprift

Hopefully that wont be for a while imperial im not one who likes conflict myself even tho it does breed results.

Theres always gonna be disputes and arguments as long as were calm about the situation then things shoudnt escalate.

Hopefully it'll stay tucked away longer this time, but you know how it goes. As has been pointed out, though, this thread shows the caliber of the TPU community as a whole - unlike many other forums, we at least have a place here where we can celebrate Festivus (yeah, I caught that reference earlier ), and talk things out; and other members can add their opinions and try to keep some sense amoungst the chaos.

There is always 3 sides to every arguement, and it's good to be able to bring 3rd party opinions in on issues as well; personally, I try to stay out of it and do my best to not take sides, unless I feel I have something to say that hasn't been addressed, or has been overlooked. With a community this large, drama is inevitable, but I prefer to keep my Thespian talents to the stage, y'know?

[GJSNeptune]

This thread is precisely the problem with TPU forums.

Palit_Guy gets banned from HardForums and the thread turns into a religious debate.

[candle_86]

its general nonsense though, arn't we allowed to go off topic?

[Triprift]

Yep dont ya just love it there have been a few threads like that end up totally the opposite to what the topic was. That and the threads that have fanboi written all over em that i just cant stand.