Naturally Aspired PC WaterCooling Club - Page 16

intel igent · Jun 25, 2008, 03:35 AM

CFM is pretty much useless, pressure is where it's at

Wile E · Jun 25, 2008, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by intel igent

CFM is pretty much useless, pressure is where it's at

Regardless, those fans won't be very good for rad use.

And D, you have to realize that test was with a dual core. The differences will be much greater with a higher heat load.

DaMulta · Jun 25, 2008, 03:39 AM

Says Quad

My CPU is under deep freeze tho, the rad would just be for video cards.

Wile do you think I need those fittings? I think I do.....

Wile E · Jun 25, 2008, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DaMulta

Says Quad

My CPU is under deep freeze tho, the rad would just be for video cards.

Wile do you think I need those fittings? I think I do.....

Hmmm, must've been thinking of another review.

Anyway, yeah you should get something to connect the blocks together to make it easier. Koolance has some nice ones.

DaMulta · Jun 25, 2008, 03:48 AM

will they fit?

I don't know about threadng.

Wile E · Jun 25, 2008, 03:51 AM

I dunno. Haven't really looked into it yet.

MKmods · Jun 25, 2008, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaMulta

will they fit?

I don't know about threadng.

yes they fit
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=400

the prob is the ID of it.. if you are using the fat boys these are quite a bit smaller ID. Also Koolance uses very few threads so if there is a bevel on the video card coolers there wont be enough threads to grab.

(Koolance uses G 1/4" threads, lol just fewer of them)

cdawall · Jun 29, 2008, 03:05 AM

subscribing building my 1st H2O setup

EastCoasthandle · Jun 29, 2008, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

subscribing building my 1st H2O setup

Welcome to the thread. Let us know how things go!

cdawall · Jun 29, 2008, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

Welcome to the thread. Let us know how things go!

i figure this would be the place to ask i think i fit to BIX 240 in the front of my case would fans-rad-fans-rad-fans work?

Wile E · Jun 29, 2008, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

i figure this would be the place to ask i think i fit to BIX 240 in the front of my case would fans-rad-fans-rad-fans work?

You'd lose some efficiency. The air will pick up some heat from the first rad, and blow thru the second rad.

cdawall · Jun 29, 2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile E

You'd lose some efficiency. The air will pick up some heat from the first rad, and blow thru the second rad.

so if i did do that it would be better to run the loop through the 2nd rad 1st?

DaMulta · Jun 29, 2008, 05:49 PM

I would not tie them together in either case, but I see what you are saying just heat up one rad two times with the last one should be the coldest and then though the system.

It could work, you would just have to try and see.

What do you guys think of my idea lol

pump at 17v, then 3 gpu blocks, hits the 480 rad, then into another 17v pump, and finally going into a bay res before hitting the other pump again.

DOM · Jun 29, 2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaMulta

What do you guys think of my idea lol

pump at 17v, then 3 gpu blocks, hits the 480 rad, then into another 17v pump, and finally going into a bay res before hitting the other pump again.

im planning on going res.>pump>rad>blocks>pump>res. or res.>pump>blocks>pump>rad>res.

MKmods · Jun 29, 2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaMulta

pump at 17v, then 3 gpu blocks, hits the 480 rad, then into another 17v pump, and finally going into a bay res before hitting the other pump again.

My thought is if thats a 12V rated pump its lifespan is gonna be shortlived.

SirKeldon · Jun 29, 2008, 06:21 PM

Since one month and a half my loop is like this: res->pump->block->double rad->single rad->res

In my case it was far better than one single rad, i won more than 8-10ºC with both together (back-to-back) in front to the usual 4-6ºC you're used to see when you change from a single to a double rad, and maybe i could run a cpu + gpu block's when i improve my pump.

Here's how i planned the loop:

The result with the new P45 mobo (i have to clean it all a lil bit as well as manage better the cables but this mobo is not the best for that, at least the "Pro" version):

Wile E · Jul 1, 2008, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

My thought is if thats a 12V rated pump its lifespan is gonna be shortlived.

My thoughts exactly. Not only that, but 17V could possibly cause a bit of heat dump, negating any benefit of the higher pressure and flow.

EastCoasthandle · Jul 7, 2008, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirKeldon

Since one month and a half my loop is like this: res->pump->block->double rad->single rad->res

In my case it was far better than one single rad, i won more than 8-10ºC with both together (back-to-back) in front to the usual 4-6ºC you're used to see when you change from a single to a double rad, and maybe i could run a cpu + gpu block's when i improve my pump.

Here's how i planned the loop:

The result with the new P45 mobo (i have to clean it all a lil bit as well as manage better the cables but this mobo is not the best for that, at least the "Pro" version):

Nice

Cold Storm · Jul 7, 2008, 04:03 AM

All right guys.. what are your thoughts on this matter?

intel igent · Jul 7, 2008, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

My thought is if thats a 12V rated pump its lifespan is gonna be shortlived.

IIRC D5 are rated 12-24v

Quote:

Originally Posted by WileE

My thoughts exactly. Not only that, but 17V could possibly cause a bit of heat dump, negating any benefit of the higher pressure and flow.

IMO the added heat dump will be negligible in his situation due to the 480 RAD

@ sirkeldon : looking good man! nice and tidy

@ coldstorm : look's like a good list, only thing's i'd change are the RAD (swiftech mcr-320) and the fitting's (DD/bitspower fatboy's). good choice of tubing it's pliabillity will make it easy to slide over 1/2" barb's

not shure if that fan controller will work with those fan's....

cdawall · Jul 7, 2008, 03:45 PM

my new parts list please critique

cpu block: maze 4
pump: MCP655 variable (already have)
rad: hopefully dual BIX 240s (already have one)
res: Swiftech mini-res
barbs: Bitspower G1/4" 1/2" barbs all around
tubing: Tygon R3400 1/2in. ID 3/4in. OD (its the black kind)

i was also wondering is there anyway to water cool my mosfets?

DaMulta · Jul 7, 2008, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

My thought is if thats a 12V rated pump its lifespan is gonna be shortlived.

It is a 12v but they show graphs on what the pump will do at 24v. So I think that it can take the extra v to them.

MKmods · Jul 7, 2008, 04:31 PM

Does the extra flow lower the temps (because dosent increasing the Volts/speed also increase the heat dump of the pump)

One other thing I am trying to figure is the faster water flows the more surface friction there is.

DaMulta · Jul 7, 2008, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

Does the extra flow lower the temps (because dosent increasing the Volts/speed also increase the heat dump of the pump)

One other thing I am trying to figure is the faster water flows the more surface friction there is.

It all depends on how big your run is. On smaller runs 17v could hurt you, but longer runs it could help you. If you rad is slowing the flow way down, running it faster can help temps as well.

It's something that needs to be played with to find out IMO.

MKmods · Jul 7, 2008, 05:17 PM

thanks for the info

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Processor:	3.0e C0 @ 3.6 / e5200
Motherboard:	p4p800e-dlx / p5q-DLX
Cooling:	custom water see sig / air
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Jun 25, 2008, 03:39 AM	#378
DaMulta My stars went supernova Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Oklahoma T-Town Posts: 10,337 (4.16/day) Thanks: 1,449 Thanked 1,477 Times in 1,113 Posts System Specs	Says Quad My CPU is under deep freeze tho, the rad would just be for video cards. Wile do you think I need those fittings? I think I do..... __________________ ocLIT The Hardware Punishers

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Jun 25, 2008, 03:35 AM	#376
intel igent Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 3,242 (1.11/day) Thanks: 453 Thanked 445 Times in 413 Posts System Specs	CFM is pretty much useless, pressure is where it's at

Jun 25, 2008, 03:48 AM	#380
DaMulta My stars went supernova Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Oklahoma T-Town Posts: 10,337 (4.16/day) Thanks: 1,449 Thanked 1,477 Times in 1,113 Posts System Specs	will they fit? I don't know about threadng. __________________ ocLIT The Hardware Punishers

Jun 25, 2008, 03:51 AM	#381
Wile E Power User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Western PA (Pittsburgh suburbs) Posts: 18,129 (7.47/day) Thanks: 450 Thanked 3,826 Times in 3,124 Posts System Specs	I dunno. Haven't really looked into it yet. __________________ Visit Ashentech “What the hell did you expect? Leave Vista under the pillow and the OS fairy would make it Win7?” -El Fiendo “And Bring Mailman back god damnit, he is the Eric Cartman of TPU” -MRCL

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Jun 29, 2008, 03:05 AM	#383
cdawall where the hell are my stars Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: some AF base Posts: 16,027 (6.42/day) Thanks: 457 Thanked 2,755 Times in 2,224 Posts System Specs	subscribing building my 1st H2O setup __________________

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Jun 29, 2008, 05:49 PM	#388
DaMulta My stars went supernova Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Oklahoma T-Town Posts: 10,337 (4.16/day) Thanks: 1,449 Thanked 1,477 Times in 1,113 Posts System Specs	I would not tie them together in either case, but I see what you are saying just heat up one rad two times with the last one should be the coldest and then though the system. It could work, you would just have to try and see. What do you guys think of my idea lol pump at 17v, then 3 gpu blocks, hits the 480 rad, then into another 17v pump, and finally going into a bay res before hitting the other pump again. __________________ ocLIT The Hardware Punishers

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Jun 29, 2008, 06:21 PM	#391
SirKeldon Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Barcelona, Catalonia (Spain) Posts: 426 (0.22/day) Thanks: 167 Thanked 155 Times in 92 Posts System Specs	Since one month and a half my loop is like this: res->pump->block->double rad->single rad->res In my case it was far better than one single rad, i won more than 8-10ºC with both together (back-to-back) in front to the usual 4-6ºC you're used to see when you change from a single to a double rad, and maybe i could run a cpu + gpu block's when i improve my pump. Here's how i planned the loop: The result with the new P45 mobo (i have to clean it all a lil bit as well as manage better the cables but this mobo is not the best for that, at least the "Pro" version): __________________ "I have no special talents, i'm just passionately curious" - Albert Einstein Last edited by SirKeldon; Jun 30, 2008 at 09:47 AM.

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Jul 7, 2008, 04:03 AM	#394
Cold Storm Battosai Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: In a library somewhere on this earth Posts: 10,566 (5.14/day) Thanks: 4,242 Thanked 3,047 Times in 2,493 Posts System Specs	All right guys.. what are your thoughts on this matter? __________________ The only way success is before work, is in the dictionary Support for the mind. Support for your hardware

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Jul 7, 2008, 03:45 PM	#396
cdawall where the hell are my stars Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: some AF base Posts: 16,027 (6.42/day) Thanks: 457 Thanked 2,755 Times in 2,224 Posts System Specs	my new parts list please critique cpu block: maze 4 pump: MCP655 variable (already have) rad: hopefully dual BIX 240s (already have one) res: Swiftech mini-res barbs: Bitspower G1/4" 1/2" barbs all around tubing: Tygon R3400 1/2in. ID 3/4in. OD (its the black kind) i was also wondering is there anyway to water cool my mosfets? __________________

Jul 7, 2008, 04:31 PM	#398
MKmods Case Mod Guru Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Nevada Posts: 4,711 (2.46/day) Thanks: 2,879 Thanked 1,766 Times in 1,364 Posts System Specs	Does the extra flow lower the temps (because dosent increasing the Volts/speed also increase the heat dump of the pump) One other thing I am trying to figure is the faster water flows the more surface friction there is. __________________ Buy tin snips FIRST!

Jul 7, 2008, 05:17 PM	#400
MKmods Case Mod Guru Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Nevada Posts: 4,711 (2.46/day) Thanks: 2,879 Thanked 1,766 Times in 1,364 Posts System Specs	thanks for the info __________________ Buy tin snips FIRST!

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