Naturally Aspired PC WaterCooling Club - Page 19

MKmods · Jul 8, 2008, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by intel igent

@ Mk : got more pix of the inside of your top?

i've got two of those T's and two elbow's in my loop, they are great!

turbulence help's to promote heat transfer

sorry, no.
My business guys keep telling me to stop sharing stuff, so I can only show what is already online.

Turbulence also reduces flow and adds to aeration.

[I.R.A]_FBi · Jul 8, 2008, 11:47 PM

What are your opinions on the pertras kits?

MKmods · Jul 8, 2008, 11:49 PM

Petra FTW! its a very good company and deserves everyones support.
(Alex please send me more pens, Im out

)

(Big companies Like Newegg/WalMart are ok but its the little ones that make all the cool stuff)

intel igent · Jul 8, 2008, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

sorry, no.
My business guys keep telling me to stop sharing stuff, so I can only show what is already online.

i'm just curious cuz you said :

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

Thats a very good design.. I used it on my blocks quite a while ago.

to me it just look's like the top has offset barb's (one higher than the other) vs having directional channel's in the top a la Dtek GFX

bussiness guy's hehehe

twicksisted · Jul 8, 2008, 11:49 PM

hey this is a bit of a silly question... but why is watercooling "naturally aspired"? surely air is more natural to a cpu than water...

I understand natural aspiration in car engines (air vs turbo / supercharger)... just wondering why its called natural aspiration for watercooling a cpu.

EastCoasthandle · Jul 8, 2008, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

If the Maze4s fit I think they are a good deal (good value for the $$) No point in spending $$ till you see for sure.

By the way ECH (Im getting way too lazy to type ur whole name now) That pict of a Tee is an excellent one to use, their ID is plenty big. Thank goodness for Homedepots.

I use 1/2 free flow fittings with 3/8 hose and no clamps.

Yeah they do come in handy for your water cooled PC sometimes.

intel igent · Jul 8, 2008, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

Turbulence also reduces flow and adds to aeration.

it does but it increases thermal transfer, it's why we have impingement style block's

http://www.efunda.com/formulae/heat_...e/overview.cfm

^^ a good read for those interested

MKmods · Jul 9, 2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by intel igent

it does but it increases thermal transfer, it's why we have impingement style block's

http://www.efunda.com/formulae/heat_...e/overview.cfm
^^ a good read for those interested

The problem with impingement style blocks is they need more pressure and place a LARGE restriction on flow.

And with the advent with Single,dual and quad cores and the growth of the GPU as well pointing a high speed stream at the center of the block dosent work as well as before when the storm was king, not to mention with so many different types of cores and each one needing its own restricter it is just too complicated for the companies to make 1 block that works well on all stuff.

intel igent · Jul 9, 2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MKmods

The problem with impingement style blocks is they need more pressure and place a LARGE restriction on flow.

And with the advent with Single,dual and quad cores and the growth of the GPU as well pointing a high speed stream at the center of the block dosent work as well as before when the storm was king, not to mention with so many different types of cores and each one needing its own restricter it is just too complicated for the companies to make 1 block that works well on all stuff.

funny cuz these method's seem to be doing quite well for Dtek + EK (to name a few)

i'd still like to see another pick of your top to see if it has directional channel's or merely just offset barb's

MKmods · Jul 9, 2008, 12:14 AM

How about you posting some of your blocks so we can see what you have contributed

(instead of just bugging me)

intel igent · Jul 9, 2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MKmods

How about you posting some of your blocks so we can see what you have contributed

why you gettin' your panties in a bunch?

all i asked for is another pik of the top to see the inside! you're talkin' like Dtek swiped the idea from you so i wanna see if you were the originator or not.

i don't need to post anything to validate myself, my REAL penis is big enough.

edit : bugging YOU! LOL you're hillarious

cdawall · Jul 9, 2008, 05:58 PM

hows this look?

and i'm looking at 6-8 of these beasts and some kind of godly card to control them 3A per fan lol

http://www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/item/18097

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Jul 9, 2008, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaMulta

3/8s will fit through a pci slot hole on your case. So if you wanted to run your loop without cutting holes that may be the way you want to go.

If you set the whole thing in the case I would say 1/2 because you have more volume of coolant to heat up.

Me and wile have talked about this, he says that there is no gain going from 3/8 to 1/2 when I think there is.

A 240GTX radiator will work like wonders. A 120GTX radiator will work on a CPU and Video card you will just have to run the fan at a very high speed for it to keep up. The bigger the radiator, the slower you can run the fans.

I do have a Thermaltake Armor case and I do believe it has two holes in the back of the case to run tubes out of. I dont have any rubber things to put over the holes though to keep it from puncturing the tubes.

Since I have a 9800GTX and want to keep costs minimal but still with the best performance, what would you recommend for the GTX? If I went with a small waterblock, I would need ramsinks correct?

For some reason watercooling confuses the hell out of me. Any way you guys can compile lists on my water cooling thread here?

EastCoasthandle · Jul 9, 2008, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdawall

hows this look?

and i'm looking at 6-8 of these beasts and some kind of godly card to control them 3A per fan lol

http://www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/item/18097

Could you label this? I am not sure what I am looking at, thanks!

cdawall · Jul 9, 2008, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EastCoasthandle

Could you label this? I am not sure what I am looking at, thanks!

DaMulta · Jul 9, 2008, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrAsHnBuRnXp

I do have a Thermaltake Armor case and I do believe it has two holes in the back of the case to run tubes out of. I dont have any rubber things to put over the holes though to keep it from puncturing the tubes.

Since I have a 9800GTX and want to keep costs minimal but still with the best performance, what would you recommend for the GTX? If I went with a small waterblock, I would need ramsinks correct?

For some reason watercooling confuses the hell out of me. Any way you guys can compile lists on my water cooling thread here?

Keep cost down?

Ok here is a list then

DD - 9800GTX $124.95 1/2
Black Ice GTX120 $53.95 1/2
Copper TDX Block for Intel 775 Processors $52.95 1/2
DD12V-D5 Pump Fixed Speed by Laing $76.95
Danger Den Dual 5 1/4" Bay Reservoir $31.95

Subtotal: $340.75
Then you could use their tubing or the cheap stuff at lowes. You can also make your own water mix to save another 40 dollars.

cpu/video card

EastCoasthandle · Jul 9, 2008, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdawall

I honestly don't see a problem with this setup. However, I wouldn't put 1 rad behind another inside the PC Case. You will pull warm air from the 1st rad into the 2nd rad. Post some pics when you get things up and running

DaMulta · Jul 9, 2008, 09:18 PM

I can't wait to see how the two rads run tied together like that.

cdawall · Jul 9, 2008, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaMulta

I can't wait to see how the two rads run tied together like that.

your not the only one bunch of folks on XS are saying the same thing

DOM · Jul 9, 2008, 10:20 PM

I dont think it would change much my temps just went up like 2-3c load from room temps of 70f to 82f right now idle did go up by say 3-5c

sneekypeet · Jul 9, 2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cdawall

your not the only one bunch of folks on XS are saying the same thing

I smell a FAIL when it comes to hooking the rads up to water in your configuration unless one of the rads is rotated 90*. The fans inbetween will not allow enough room to get the hoses in and connected!

Just a heads up b4 you finalize the plan!

MKmods · Jul 9, 2008, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sneekypeet

I smell a FAIL when it comes to hooking the rads up to water in your configuration unless one of the rads is rotated 90*. The fans inbetween will not allow enough room to get the hoses in and connected!

Just a heads up b4 you finalize the plan!

Im no big fan of 90 deg bends but this should fix the clearance prob
http://www.petrastechshop.com/3np1odthhoba1.html

so would these
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=680

and if you rotated 1 rad 180 deg fron the other (1 with hoses on the top and one with hoses on the bottom it should work)

sneekypeet · Jul 9, 2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MKmods

Im no big fan of 90 deg bends but this should fix the clearance prob
http://www.petrastechshop.com/3np1odthhoba1.html

I was leaning in the direction of laying one on its side and one standing as usual. That will leave 2 barbs up top and two on the side, so the actual "heads" dont clash! Should be able to continue using straight fittings!

cdawall · Jul 9, 2008, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKmods

Im no big fan of 90 deg bends but this should fix the clearance prob
http://www.petrastechshop.com/3np1odthhoba1.html

so would these
http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...product_id=680

anybody have those in copper?

cdawall · Jul 9, 2008, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdawall

anybody have those in copper?

nvm you changed your post lol

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Jul 8, 2008, 11:49 PM	#453
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Jul 8, 2008, 11:49 PM	#455
twicksisted Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: London, UK Posts: 2,234 (1.09/day) Thanks: 391 Thanked 358 Times in 285 Posts System Specs	hey this is a bit of a silly question... but why is watercooling "naturally aspired"? surely air is more natural to a cpu than water... I understand natural aspiration in car engines (air vs turbo / supercharger)... just wondering why its called natural aspiration for watercooling a cpu. __________________

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Jul 9, 2008, 12:14 AM	#460
MKmods Case Mod Guru Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Nevada Posts: 4,711 (2.46/day) Thanks: 2,879 Thanked 1,766 Times in 1,364 Posts System Specs	How about you posting some of your blocks so we can see what you have contributed (instead of just bugging me) __________________ Buy tin snips FIRST!

Jul 9, 2008, 05:58 PM	#462
cdawall where the hell are my stars Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: some AF base Posts: 16,025 (6.42/day) Thanks: 457 Thanked 2,754 Times in 2,223 Posts System Specs	hows this look? and i'm looking at 6-8 of these beasts and some kind of godly card to control them 3A per fan lol http://www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/item/18097 __________________

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Jul 9, 2008, 09:18 PM	#468
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