Nehalem's Successors Caught on Slides at IDF

[btarunr]

French website CanardPlus published slides from Intel covering its future plans and product evolution model called the "tick tock" model in which an architecture is released every time frame and improvised following it, where the fabrication process is shrunk and some features added. Les nouveaux CPU suivront donc le schéma de développement « The new CPU release will follow the pattern of development "Tick-Tock", ie a new architecture every two years (Tock), followed by a die shrink (Tick) to increase the fine print.



Nehalem processors are made of logic-blocks (cores, without some machinery) blocks provide modularity and products can be engineered on the quality and quantity of these blocks. An insight to the architecture is provided.






Successors to Nehalem

Sandybridge: Planned for 2010, this will succeed current Nehalem chips, the base architecture on the whole is similar to that of Nehalem, codenamed Gesher. It will have 8 cores, 16 MB of L3 cache and a new instruction set called Advanced Vector Extensions.



Its entry is expected to be as significant as that of SSE in 1999 for the Pentium III for the computing world, mainly because:

• The extension of the current SSE registers 128 to 256 bits, while remaining compatible with 128-bit SSE instructions.
• The rearrangement advanced data: a single operation can simultaneously handle 8 data bits 32

Haswell: Successor to Sandybridge, entry to the 22nm fabrication process, something truly revolutionary architecture-wise, 8-cores and the introduction of FMA (Fused Multiply-Add), which allows for simultaneous operation of multiplication and addition via the same instruction.



Source: CanardPlus

[ShadowFold]

wtf is that cartoon thing on the first pic..

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by ShadowFold

wtf is that cartoon thing on the first pic..

That source website's content. They add cartoons to comment on stuff (the way our computer books looked illustrative (eg: a bunny holding a laptop) back in early school)

[chron]

you know what they say, Haswell that ends well

[zithe]

Originally Posted by chron

you know what they say, Haswell that ends well

Corny.

Now AMD needs to turn deneb into low end and get their own CPU with 18mb of L3!

[PCpraiser100]

22nm processors for the win!

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by zithe

Corny.

Now AMD needs to turn deneb into low end and get their own CPU with 18mb of L3!

Lol.(at the ''Corny'' part)

[CDdude55]

Aw man, This is what i hate about PC hardware. Nehalem isn't even out and there already talking about the next one. I just want to stick to the C2D till i get a C2Q, but wtf).

I only game and go on the internet on PC. So i hope when games come out they wont be saying, '' Best played on Core i7'' when they start up or i just might have to switch to Consoles. I dont have the cash to be making these kinds of upgrades Intel!!

[zithe]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

Aw man, This is what i hate about PC hardware. Nehalem isn't even out and there already talking about the next one. I just want to stick to the C2D till i get a C2Q, but wtf).

I only game and go on the internet on PC. So i hope when games come out they wont be saying, '' Best played on Core i7'' when they start up or i just might have to switch to Consoles. I dont have the cash to be making these kinds of upgrades Intel!!

No point in going console. Your rig will soon kill all of them lawl.

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by zithe

No point in going console. Your rig will soon kill all of them lawl.

Good point.

[WhiteLotus]

8 cores - for servers right?

Surely no PC enthusiast will need 8 cores! unless of course programming for games/windows changes dramatically to be easily threaded for multiple cores.

[farlex85]

Originally Posted by WhiteLotus

8 cores - for servers right?

Surely no PC enthusiast will need 8 cores! unless of course programming for games/windows changes dramatically to be easily threaded for multiple cores.

Which will likely be the case. AMDs next procs are rumored to have 8 to 12 cores. Nehalem will have 4-16 logical cores (multi-threaded cores, 2-8 actual cores). With projections like that, I'd say it's safe to say we'll got some multi-threaded software in our future.

[AddSub]

2010? That soon? Not 2012-2013?

If they are planning all this for 2010, then I'm skipping Nehalem for sure.

[WhiteLotus]

To be honest I think that once we get into these sorts of cores -there will be NO real improvement apart from a bigger e-penis and bragging rights. Unless of course they truly do have something special up the sleeves in the way of virtual reality.

[farlex85]

Originally Posted by AddSub

2010? That soon? Not 2012-2013?

If they are planning all this for 2010, then I'm skipping Nehalem for sure.

It will most likely be late 2010, and I personally think this timeline depends on AMD's ability to keep up. Right now intel is far ahead, and if amd doesn't have a proper answer to nehalem, I can't see intel rushing to outdo themselves too much more. If they do, we'll likely see some very high prices, or sandy bridge ending up quite similar to nehalem.

Originally Posted by WhiteLotus

To be honest I think that once we get into these sorts of cores -there will be NO real improvement apart from a bigger e-penis and bragging rights. Unless of course they truly do have something special up the sleeves in the way of virtual reality.

There are already some benefits shown from having so many cores. Early tests of nehalem have beaten the pulp out of Core 2s in certain tests, largely thanks to the 8 logical cores. In any app that's capable of utilizing more cores, this is very beneficial. It's just not prevalent in games and the like right now.

[Pinchy]

Originally Posted by AddSub

If they are planning all this for 2010, then I'm skipping Nehalem for sure.

Rofl I always say the same thing but it never happens ...

If you buy/sell at the right times it isnt that expensive....eg dont go buying as soon as it comes out, wait a couple of months till the price drops.

[zithe]

Looks like I'll get a sandybridge when I graduate. (unless AMD comes out on top and still stays nice with the prices)

[AddSub]

We will see. Not in a hurry here. If nothing, original Nehalem CPUs should be quite a bit cheaper by 2010. I figure my 65nm quad @ 3.5GHz with several high-end nVidia GPUs in SLI + 4-to-8GB of RAM should keep up with my needs until 2010.

Who knows, AMD might pull through and come up with something worthwhile, although I seriously doubt it. There is a bigger chance of bankruptcy for AMD by 2010 than any sort of miracle, the way they are going.

[Scrizz]

Originally Posted by ShadowFold

wtf is that cartoon thing on the first pic..

LMFAO

[zithe]

Originally Posted by AddSub

We will see. Not in a hurry here. If nothing, original Nehalem CPUs should be quite a bit cheaper by 2010. I figure my 65nm quad @ 3.5GHz with several high-end nVidia GPUs in SLI + 4-to-8GB of RAM should keep up with my needs until 2010.

Who knows, AMD might pull through and come up with something worthwhile, although I seriously doubt it. There is a bigger chance of bankruptcy for AMD by 2010 than any sort of miracle, the way they are going.

AMD has been in worse shape before believe it or not. =P They could easily grab a larger share of the market by doing some more marketing and actually TRYING to make a CPU. If they had money and not debt, they'd probably be making great CPUs right now.

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by AddSub

We will see. Not in a hurry here. If nothing, original Nehalem CPUs should be quite a bit cheaper by 2010. I figure my 65nm quad @ 3.5GHz with several high-end nVidia GPUs in SLI + 4-to-8GB of RAM should keep up with my needs until 2010.

Who knows, AMD might pull through and come up with something worthwhile, although I seriously doubt it. There is a bigger chance of bankruptcy for AMD by 2010 than any sort of miracle, the way they are going.

That the same thing i am going to do. In 2010 i should be in college(graduating in the upcoming year), and by then i should be making some cash. But if i find a job earlier i may save up for Core i7.

[CDdude55]

Is Nehalm only used with DDR3? Also, are all Core i7's Quad cores?

When i get a job i am going to save up a whole lot to build a Nehealm system

Maybe with:

Core i7 2.66

X58 mobo

DDR 3 RAM

4870 X2

Some good PSU

and still thinking of rest of stuff.

[farlex85]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

Is Nehalm only used with DDR3? Also, are all Core i7's Quad cores?

When i get a job i am going to save up a whole lot to build a Nehealm system

Maybe with:

Core i7 2.66

X58 mobo

DDR 3 RAM

4870 X2

Some good PSU

and still thinking of rest of stuff.

Yeah as of now the direct memory controller is only for ddr3. The bloomfield cores (the initial nehalems) will all be quad cores that are hyper-threaded (giving them 8 logical cores in windows). Later in 2009 the lower end Havendale cores are to be released which are dual core (4 logical cores in windows). There are others, I think variations after the die shrink to 32nm that will have 8 cores (16 logical).

I'm planning something similar to yours in the upcoming year, although hopefully not w/ a x58. I still don't see why I'd need 2 video cards, unless this physX thing becomes a worthwhile option. Hopefully I can run my gts into the ground and get a new card after it's EOL'd.

[CDdude55]

Originally Posted by farlex85

Yeah as of now the direct memory controller is only for ddr3. The bloomfield cores (the initial nehalems) will all be quad cores that are hyper-threaded (giving them 8 logical cores in windows). Later in 2009 the lower end Havendale cores are to be released which are dual core (4 logical cores in windows). There are others, I think variations after the die shrink to 32nm that will have 8 cores (16 logical).

I'm planning something similar to yours in the upcoming year, although hopefully not w/ a x58. I still don't see why I'd need 2 video cards, unless this physX thing becomes a worthwhile option. Hopefully I can run my gts into the ground and get a new card after it's EOL'd.

Thanks for the info.

So Windows XP will recognize the new Core i7 CPU's right?

[farlex85]

Originally Posted by CDdude55

Thanks for the info.

So Windows XP will recognize the new Core i7 CPU's right?

I would certainly hope so.