AMD Aims Higher, 50% Market-share in Discrete-graphics in Sight

[btarunr]

Following the release of the R700 Spartan, the most powerful graphics card till date, AMD has noted that the ATI Radeon HD 4800 series products has boosted the company's market share in the discrete graphics industry from 30% to 40%. This has triggered optimism with the company, it expects to achieve the 50% mark against rival NVIDIA corporation, and that's as soon as late 2008, continuing the introduction of its products, surpass NVIDIA in 2009.

AMD also noted that it expects its discrete graphics card to IGP ratio in notebook shipments will be 35:65 in 2009. Meaning there will be growth in the sales of notebooks with discrete graphics in general against integrated graphics. NVIDIA rubbished AMD's comments saying it has the performance lead with its GeForce 200-series graphics products, while AMD claimed its Radeon HD 4800-series were clearly the more advanced lot.

Source: DigiTimes

[NamesDontMatter]

One of the reasons I purchased one was to support ATI as the underdog! Go ATI!

[Andy_007]

Originally Posted by NamesDontMatter

One of the reasons I purchased one was to support ATI as the underdog! Go ATI!

Same here, Im sure they can get 50% as long as they do well with the 4400/4600 series cards.

[PP Mguire]

Recent screenys of Deneb make it seem like a reasonable contender on the CPU front as well. So that will help with their revenue if its as good as its looking.

[a111087]

wow, if only they could do the same in CPU market

[PP Mguire]

Well like i said, Deneb's engineering samples are looking good for performance and overclocking. Heres hoping.

[Jelle Mees]

Originally Posted by NamesDontMatter

One of the reasons I purchased one was to support ATI as the underdog! Go ATI!

Same reason why I am going to buy one. Go ATI!

[mdm-adph]

Well, competition is always good, but you know what I'd really like to see on the discrete graphics market?

25% ATI, 25% Nvidia, 25% Intel, and 25% 3dfx (or someone new).

Now, that's a formula for innovation and great prices.

How can nVidia claim it has the performance lead when it doesn't? Are they blind or just stupid?

nVidia PR department:

PR guy no.1: "Right ATi are actually faster, what can we do to battle this"
PR guy no.2: "We could lie?"
PR guy no.1: "lie?"
PR guy no.2: "Yes, we pretend it's faster even though it isn't"
PR guy no.1: "Brilliant, that's brilliant - let's take the rest of the day off"

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by v-zero

How can nVidia claim it has the performance lead when it doesn't? Are they blind or just stupid?

Perhaps it's the "3x GeForce GTX 280 > 2x Radeon HD 4870 X2" equation they're talking about.

[cool_recep]

I was going to say the same. How the hell can say say that their pathetic GTX 280 has the crown?

/not a fan

Originally Posted by btarunr

Perhaps it's the "3x GeForce GTX 280 > 2x Radeon HD 4870 X2" equation they're talking about.

ATi can do Octo-Crossfire....

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by v-zero

ATi can do Octo-Crossfire....

Nope. We won't see that happen, at least it's impossible now, NVIDIA still stands correct.

[Jelle Mees]

Originally Posted by cool_recep

I was going to say the same. How the hell can say say that their pathetic GTX 280 has the crown?

/not a fan

Because it does. Look, I am not an Nvidia fan. But when it comes to single-GPU performance Nvidia wins. The ATI 4870X2 is faster, but look at the amount of power it uses.

I don't know in wich country you live in, but where I live electricity is not cheap. If you own the 4870X2 for a year or more, then the Nvidia GTX280 is a lot cheaper, a lot.

[mdm-adph]

Originally Posted by v-zero

How can nVidia claim it has the performance lead when it doesn't? Are they blind or just stupid?

They don't even need to claim it -- they have legions of zealots to do it for them.

[mdm-adph]

Originally Posted by Jelle Mees

Because it does. Look, I am not an Nvidia fan. But when it comes to single-GPU performance Nvidia wins. The ATI 4870X2 is faster, but look at the amount of power it uses.

I don't know in wich country you live in, but where I live electricity is not cheap. If you own the 4870X2 for a year or more, then the Nvidia GTX280 is a lot cheaper, a lot.

Your argument has a bit of a problem, though -- if electricity is such a problem, it doesn't matter who has the fastest card, and that factor doesn't even come into play. You should be looking for something low-end like a 9500GT or a HD 3650, anyway.

[Jelle Mees]

Originally Posted by mdm-adph

Your argument has a bit of a problem, though -- if electricity is such a problem, it doesn't matter who has the fastest card, and that factor doesn't even come into play. You should be looking for something low-end like a 9500GT or a HD 3650, anyway.

I am just saying that Dual-GPU solutions is not for everyone. We are not poor, it's not like we can't afford it, but when you talk about "performance crown" you have to look at GPU's and not 2 GPU's.

You really think I would have the PC that I have if we couldn't pay our bills

Two slightly slower cards are faster then one, but that doesn't give it "the peformance crown".

[farlex85]

Originally Posted by Jelle Mees

I am just saying that Dual-GPU solutions is not for everyone. We are not poor, it's not like we can't afford it, but when you talk about "performance crown" you have to look at GPU's and not 2 GPU's.

You really think I would have the PC that I have if we couldn't pay our bills

Two slightly slower cards are faster then one, but that doesn't give it "the peformance crown".

Except it is one card, with dual gpu's. Yes it has 2 gpu's used in the 4870, but 2 4870s does not equal the 4870x2. Why can't people wrap their heads around this? It's one card, and does indeed take the performance crown, albeit while using a very large amount of power and costing a lot of money.

[waver_01]

Originally Posted by Jelle Mees

but when you talk about "performance crown" you have to look at GPU's and not 2 GPU's.

oh riiiight

I don't know about you but I buy cards, not just the GPU's. And as it stands now ATI has strongest card out there so obviously they have the performance crown

Originally Posted by btarunr

Nope. We won't see that happen, at least it's impossible now, NVIDIA still stands correct.

Incorrect.

[btarunr]

Originally Posted by v-zero

Incorrect.

Which part is incorrect? Regarding 8x RV770, it's currently not possible.

Regarding 3x G200 > 2x R700, prove I'm wrong.

Sure, the fastest graphics card one can possibly buy now is the R700, but the fastest graphics setup one can own now is 3-way SLI of 3 GTX 280 cards, unless proven otherwise.

[waver_01]

Originally Posted by btarunr

Which part is incorrect? Regarding 8x RV770, it's currently not possible.

Regarding 3x G200 > 2x R700, prove I'm wrong.

2xR700 is faster than 3x GTX 280 in most benchmarks and cheaper

http://techreport.com/articles.x/15293/5

[Widjaja]

AMD has a better price vs performance this round which is why they are better this time.
In my circumstance it was to do with card size and a bout of bad luck with 8800GTs.
I was asked if I wanted to replace my 8800GT with a 9800GTX but since my case would not allow it and the bad luck with the 8800GTs put me off I went back to AMD.

I hope AMD become superior over nVidia just for a change.

I'd just like to see them doing thier marketing thing like they did when they were in the lead with the X800 series.

[GPUCafe]

Alienware seems to think 4870X2 CF is the fastest:

http://image.alienware.com/Images/mi...oblivion_b.jpg
http://image.alienware.com/Images/mi...eofconan_b.jpg
http://image.alienware.com/Images/mi...t_crysis_b.jpg

In Crysis, three GTX280s in SLI would still top the 4870X2 CF.

[yogurt_21]

Originally Posted by waver_01

2xR700 is faster than 3x GTX 280 in most benchmarks and cheaper

http://techreport.com/articles.x/15293/5

no see this is QFT

I mean seriously where have you all been? tri sli doens't scale well at all on the gtx280 in fact in most settings it's maybe only a frame or two above regular sli.

2x 4870x2 is currently the fastest gpu solution on the planet. (except for crysis, which yeah is nvidia's baby and is proibabaly what they're basing their performance crown claims on wow one game.) nvidia may release a driver that fixes tril sli, but then again amd could also release a driver to enable the sideport on the 4870x2 potentially increasing scaling.