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kodlan · Aug 28, 2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

ive never had a problem with any version of IE. of course, i am not really into all those mods and plugins and stuff.

You haven't had any problems with because you haven't actually developed for different browsers. And IE 6/7 is a nightmare for a developer

Easy Rhino · Aug 28, 2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kodlan

You haven't had any problems with because you haven't actually developed for different browsers. And IE 6/7 is a nightmare for a developer

whether it is or it isn't doesnt matter to me. i have never had problems browsing with IE.

alexp999 · Aug 28, 2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kodlan

You haven't had any problems with because you haven't actually developed for different browsers. And IE 6/7 is a nightmare for a developer

So how come in my experience sites display better on IE

there are some sites, which dont work at all of Firefox!

Tis the only reason i switched back.

tigger · Aug 28, 2008, 09:49 AM

Usually,there are always some problems with third party apps for windows,be it xp or vista.I will stick to ie it browses the net which is all it has to do,i dont need it to check my mail or anything else.

kodlan · Aug 28, 2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by alexp999

So how come in my experience sites display better on IE

there are some sites, which dont work at all of Firefox!

Tis the only reason i switched back.

Well it is not true. They don't work in FF mainly because you have to invent stupid workarounds just to make things work in IE. M$ is alweys making their own "standarts" even when they already exist and are widely spread...

Dark_Webster · Aug 28, 2008, 10:40 AM

I will only download the final version when it proves that it's better than IE7. For now, IE7 suits my needs.

OnBoard · Aug 28, 2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by alexp999

So how come in my experience sites display better on IE

there are some sites, which dont work at all of Firefox!

Tis the only reason i switched back.

IE Tab to the rescue, so you can switch back to firefox again

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419

IE works fine too. I was late to jump on FF bandwagon, used IE 5&6 for a long time. Now I just prefer FF and don't have tons of add-ons, just necessity. Adblock, BlockSite and ha-extra (for hockeyarena). Yet to put IE Tab back, as I haven't come across a site that hasn't worked with firefox, if I still do it's couple clicks away.

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Originally Posted by tigger69

...i say meh to firefox.It uses too much ram and has far too much crap on it. ...why do you need all the crappy plugins and add ons and stuff,which just make vista even bloated and prone to crashing.

Yes it uses a lot of mem, but got plenty of that to spare and no my Vista doesn't crash with firefox, or anything else.

kodlan · Aug 28, 2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Webster

I will only download the final version when it proves that it's better than IE7. For now, IE7 suits my needs.

I would not be using IE8 for my personal use, only at work if I would have to test something on it. And for all other people that do not do this kind of stuff at work I would recomend to have a look here:
http://www.stopie.com/
http://www.savethedevelopers.org/index.php

mdm-adph · Aug 28, 2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

whether it is or it isn't doesnt matter to me. i have never had problems browsing with IE.

Out of sight, out of mind, eh?

Ignorance is bliss.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexp999

So how come in my experience sites display better on IE

there are some sites, which dont work at all of Firefox!

Tis the only reason i switched back.

That's because those sites are made specifically not to work in Firefox, through the use of Microsoft-only technologies such as ActiveX and VBScript. It's not a problem with Firefox. Most of the times sites like these are designed in "partnership" with Microsoft (kinda like the way that Crysis was designed in "partnership" with Nvidia).

Hitsugaya_Toushirou · Aug 28, 2008, 01:27 PM

hmm... I haven't made a comment in a while but IE's layout engine, trident, has to be the worst engine ever. M$ never follows standards properly so a site, which could be made for any standard compliant browser in a short period of time will take like extra few hundreds of lines of code and hours of headaches/debugging just to get it to work on IE... especially when it comes to css, html dom and javascript... Also, IE's incapability of processing min and max widths and heights of elements has to be the lamest thing ever so I always have to keep a workaround template for this.
I wish M$ just stopped working on their browser and let organisations, which specialise in the web browser development to deal with the production of web browsers... or they should at least follow standards.
Until then, I'm for the standard compliant layout engines (which is basically all but IE's Trident):
Gecko (Firefox's engine)
Presto (Opera's engine)
Webkit (Safari's engine)
KHTML (Konqueror's engine)

kodlan · Aug 28, 2008, 01:37 PM

2 mdm-adph, Hitsugaya_Toushirou: Totally agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Easy Rhino · Aug 28, 2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mdm-adph

Out of sight, out of mind, eh?

Ignorance is bliss.

i am not a developer so why would i care. i want a browser that works with every site i go on. IE does that.

kodlan · Aug 28, 2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

i am not a developer so why would i care. i want a browser that works with every site i go on. IE does that.

Some small cars, lets say Ford Fiesta goes on the road the same way as Jaguar XF. But I don't think you feel the same in them...

Easy Rhino · Aug 28, 2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kodlan

Some small cars, lets say Ford Fiesta goes on the road the same way as Jaguar XF. But I don't think you feel the same in them...

very true. but given your analogy im guessing the fiesta is IE and the juguar is firefox. sure they both drive on the road and the jaguar drives better, but atleast the fiesta doesnt break down on some roads. it always gets there no matter what.

kodlan · Aug 28, 2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

very true. but given your analogy im guessing the fiesta is IE and the juguar is firefox. sure they both drive on the road and the jaguar drives better, but atleast the fiesta doesnt break down on some roads. it always gets there no matter what.

Okay, if both cost 0$ which would you choose? Fiesta or Jag?

tigger · Aug 28, 2008, 02:17 PM

My analogy would be,ie as the fiesta and firefox as a van full of stuff with a massive engine.Sure the van is faster but its full of crap.

We are all individuals and all pick which one we like,whats the point arguing the toss over that really.

kodlan · Aug 28, 2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tigger69

My analogy would be,ie as the fiesta and firefox as a van full of stuff with a massive engine.Sure the van is faster but its full of crap.

We are all individuals and all pick which one we like,whats the point arguing the toss over that really.

Well you can install only the crap you need

.
There are other alternatives Opera, Safari. Have you tryied them?

Whilhelm · Aug 28, 2008, 04:18 PM

Just for the hell of it I opened IE8 and FF3 with six tabs on each. When I looked in the task manager It shows five instances of IE running and only a single Firefox. All the IEs use almost 200megs of memory where FF only uses 120MB

There you have it, isn't the whole point of tabbed browsing to not have to open multible instances of the browser. God job Microsoft

blueskynis · Aug 28, 2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Whilhelm

Just for the hell of it I opened IE8 and FF3 with six tabs on each. When I looked in the task manager It shows five instances of IE running and only a single Firefox. All the IEs use almost 200megs of memory where FF only uses 120MB

There you have it, isn't the whole point of tabbed browsing to not have to open multible instances of the browser. God job Microsoft

Xaxa this is good!

Even FF3 visually integrates better than their own software...

Want to see more of Microsoft's good job? Look here.

alexp999 · Aug 28, 2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Whilhelm

Just for the hell of it I opened IE8 and FF3 with six tabs on each. When I looked in the task manager It shows five instances of IE running and only a single Firefox. All the IEs use almost 200megs of memory where FF only uses 120MB

There you have it, isn't the whole point of tabbed browsing to not have to open multible instances of the browser. God job Microsoft

Well here is me running 7 tabs, something funny is going on with your PC. I still only have one instance of IE running and its only using 80mb.

Whilhelm · Aug 28, 2008, 07:39 PM

I would blame Internet Explorer for running multiple instances. All I did was install it and try it and that is what happened. My firefox works fine and so does my computer.

Easy Rhino · Aug 28, 2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kodlan

Okay, if both cost 0$ which would you choose? Fiesta or Jag?

well, considering your analogy i would say the fiesta because i KNOW it will get me from point A to point B. with the jag, i may be styling on my way, but i will most likely break down before i get there.

xfire · Aug 29, 2008, 12:25 AM

The privateon feature already exists on Safari Browser.

Triprift · Aug 29, 2008, 04:45 AM

Im with Rhino ie werks fine for me with all my browsing thats all that matters to me.

kodlan · Aug 29, 2008, 06:04 AM

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Im with Rhino ie werks fine for me with all my browsing thats all that matters to me.

Well I ask my self, why I should convince so unsophisticated people that can't see what crap they are using and what other better posibilities exist?

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