Fake GEIL ram?

P4-630 · Sep 17, 2008, 02:33 AM

RMA'd 1 set of GEIL DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-12 GX22GB6400UDC (2x1GB), I wanted to RMA all my 4 ram sticks but they did not accept that.

Now I found out that my 2 new ram sticks have a sticker on the heatspreader it which reads: Voltage 2.0V

My other GEIL set DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-12 GX22GB6400UDC (2x1GB) has a sticker on the heatspreader which reads: Voltage 2.1V

Also when I looked closely I found that the pcb/transistors are different from each other.
Ok, probably they changed the pcb design? And the ram sticks are manufactured in another week? Suprisingly when I open CPU-Z all 4 ram sticks: Week/Year 10/08

The new set won't run 960MHz 4-4-4-12 either, while the other set can.

Also with every new GEIL ram stick I found a thin plastic film sticked on the GEIL logo, the "new" set of ram that I just got returned only had this on one ram stick and there was no plastic film on the other stick.

Also I had a problem with the Voltage in the BIOS, my older ram stick rated at 2.1V I always had the Voltage at +0.5 which resulted in 2.3V, now with the new sticks rated at 2.0 I had to set the Voltage at +0.6 to get to 2.3V.

After trying different timings and speeds , at one moment the BIOS settings went back to auto and now when I would set the DIMM Voltage +0.5V results in 2.3V again with all 4 sticks in it.

Somehow I don't feel so good about these new ticks that I got returned(Thailand), the PCB design/transistors are different and the rated voltage is different, and manufactured in the same week as my older ram sticks

to me it looks like FAKE geil sticks? Or just cheap pcb's with a orange heatspreader and GEIL logo sticked on it?

Now I run my 4 sticks at 5-5-5-10 960 2.0V (the voltage is not bad but they used to run 4-4-4-12 960 2.3V) the new ram sticks seem to be low quality

If anyone ownes GEIL DDR2 800 4-4-4-12 sticks, could you post a picture and week/year from your ram sticks?

Laurijan · Sep 17, 2008, 03:05 AM

They probably just changed the PCB and components a little.. that happens sometimes as RAM sticks mature.. looks genuine to me

P4-630 · Sep 17, 2008, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laurijan

They probably just changed the PCB and components a little.. that happens sometimes as RAM sticks mature.. looks genuine to me

Yes what I thought too but is it not weird that the returned set are manufactured in the same week as my older set

All 4 sticks are Week 10 2008 (cpu-z)

Laurijan · Sep 17, 2008, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P4-630

Yes what I thought too but is it not weird that the returned set are manufactured in the same week as my older set

All 4 sticks are Week 10 2008 (cpu-z)

True.. strage.. IDK why this is.. You could write the RMA department an email with this question if nobody here in this forum knows why that date is the same..

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Sep 17, 2008, 03:28 AM

Doesnt this forum have a GeiL rep?

Laurijan · Sep 17, 2008, 03:30 AM

You could also post your question in the Geil-Forum http://forum.geil.com.tw/ (seems to be down at the moment)

P4-630 · Sep 17, 2008, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laurijan

True.. strage.. IDK why this is.. You could write the RMA department an email with this question if nobody here in this forum knows why that date is the same..

I'm sending a message to GEIL right now.

(http://www.geil.com.tw/support_request/create)

Edit: Waiting for reply from geil.tw

P4-630 · Sep 17, 2008, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrAsHnBuRnXp

Doesnt this forum have a GeiL rep?

I don't know about that.
Would be nice if that person could help out.

P4-630 · Sep 17, 2008, 04:04 AM

I found a photo on imageshack from a set of geil pc6400 ultra 4-4-4-12 and these sticks are exactly as my older 2 sticks and also these on this picture are rated at 2.1V

For a comparison:
My ram sticks (module at the top is a "new"(?..) one from the set I got returned yesterday):

picture from imageshack (not my ram sticks)

intel igent · Sep 17, 2008, 04:04 AM

you have stix of RAM that are rated to 800 and are running 960 and you're complaining?

P4-630 · Sep 17, 2008, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by intel igent

you have stix of RAM that are rated to 800 and are running 960 and you're complaining?

Most, if not all(?) other 800rated sticks are able to run 960 when you change the timings

Most people buy the more expensive ram because they want to overclock, if I don't overclock I would buy cheaper value ram.

These GEIL ultra sticks are made for overclocking and thats what you pay for.

intel igent · Sep 17, 2008, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P4-630

Most, if not all(?) other 800rated sticks are able to run 960 when you change the timings

so what's the problem?

Paulieg · Sep 17, 2008, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrAsHnBuRnXp

Doesnt this forum have a GeiL rep?

Buffalo, Mushkin for sure. Geil? I don't remember ever seeing one.

P4-630 · Sep 17, 2008, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intel igent

so what's the problem?

Never mind

Some people agree and understand, and some don't.

intel igent · Sep 17, 2008, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P4-630

Never mind

Some people agree and understand, and some don't.

i do understand.

you got a set of RMA'd RAM that does not run as good as your original set but still OC's 160mhz with looser timing's.....

P4-630 · Sep 17, 2008, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intel igent

i do understand.

you got a set of RMA'd RAM that does not run as good as your original set but still OC's 160mhz with looser timing's.....

Ok... Now and what if these sticks were yours, what would you do

Paulieg · Sep 17, 2008, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P4-630

Never mind

Some people agree and understand, and some don't.

I think everyone understands, but a 160mhz OC on 800's is pretty good. Certainly nothing to stress about. Play around with the timings a bit more for extra performance.

P4-630 · Sep 17, 2008, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulieg

I think everyone understands, but a 160mhz OC on 800's is pretty good. Certainly nothing to stress about. Play around with the timings a bit more for extra performance.

The fact remains: the other 2 modules are much better while suprisingly all 4 ram sticks seem to be manufactured in week 10 2008.

intel igent · Sep 17, 2008, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P4-630

Ok... Now and what if these sticks were yours, what would you do

i'd be slightly dissapointed but they aren't defective so.....

Paulieg · Sep 17, 2008, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P4-630

The fact remains: the other 2 modules are much better while suprisingly all 4 ram sticks seem to be manufactured in week 10 2008.

That's how it goes man. Every individual stick will clock different. That's the risk in RMA. Same goes for CPU, Memory, MB's etc. Remember, anything you get over stock you get for free.

. Not to say I wouldn't be mildly disappointed, just not really upset.

P4-630 · Sep 17, 2008, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intel igent

i'd be slightly dissapointed.....

yes because you know that 2 sticks can run faster with tighter timings then the ones you got returned from RMA even they seem to be manufactured in the same week.

P4-630 · Sep 17, 2008, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulieg

That's how it goes man. Every individual stick will clock different. That's the risk in RMA. Same goes for CPU, Memory, MB's etc. Remember, anything you get over stock you get for free.

. Not to say I wouldn't be mildly disappointed, just not really upset.

I'm not upset, but it's more like a strange situation because the modules are completely different from each other and yet they are manufactured at the same time!

If they only were manufactured in a different week, that would just make more sense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulieg

Remember, anything you get over stock you get for free.

.

That's true

Wile E · Sep 17, 2008, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P4-630

Yes what I thought too but is it not weird that the returned set are manufactured in the same week as my older set

All 4 sticks are Week 10 2008 (cpu-z)

That's probably just the the date of the SPD file they are using.

Paulieg · Sep 17, 2008, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wile E

That's probably just the the date of the SPD file they are using.

Man, I didn't think of that. Wile is probably right here.

P4-630 · Sep 17, 2008, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wile E

That's probably just the the date of the SPD file they are using.

yes, and who were "they"..*
And why would the modules be completely different at the same time.

*because here in Thailand they copy anything...

I hope I'll get a reply soon from geil.com.tw

------------------------------------------
Something else that has nothing to to with the tread but just noticed it while editing my post:

Well I just voted my post then

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P4-630 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 597 (0.22/day) Thanks: 37 Thanked 30 Times in 27 Posts System Specs	Never knew that GEIL made single sided ddr2 pc6400 ultra 4-4-4-12 RMA'd 1 set of GEIL DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-12 GX22GB6400UDC (2x1GB), I wanted to RMA all my 4 ram sticks but they did not accept that. Now I found out that my 2 new ram sticks have a sticker on the heatspreader it which reads: Voltage 2.0V My other GEIL set DDR2-800 CL 4-4-4-12 GX22GB6400UDC (2x1GB) has a sticker on the heatspreader which reads: Voltage 2.1V Also when I looked closely I found that the pcb/transistors are different from each other. Ok, probably they changed the pcb design? And the ram sticks are manufactured in another week? Suprisingly when I open CPU-Z all 4 ram sticks: Week/Year 10/08 The new set won't run 960MHz 4-4-4-12 either, while the other set can. Also with every new GEIL ram stick I found a thin plastic film sticked on the GEIL logo, the "new" set of ram that I just got returned only had this on one ram stick and there was no plastic film on the other stick. Also I had a problem with the Voltage in the BIOS, my older ram stick rated at 2.1V I always had the Voltage at +0.5 which resulted in 2.3V, now with the new sticks rated at 2.0 I had to set the Voltage at +0.6 to get to 2.3V. After trying different timings and speeds , at one moment the BIOS settings went back to auto and now when I would set the DIMM Voltage +0.5V results in 2.3V again with all 4 sticks in it. Somehow I don't feel so good about these new ticks that I got returned(Thailand), the PCB design/transistors are different and the rated voltage is different, and manufactured in the same week as my older ram sticks to me it looks like FAKE geil sticks? Or just cheap pcb's with a orange heatspreader and GEIL logo sticked on it? Now I run my 4 sticks at 5-5-5-10 960 2.0V (the voltage is not bad but they used to run 4-4-4-12 960 2.3V) the new ram sticks seem to be low quality If anyone ownes GEIL DDR2 800 4-4-4-12 sticks, could you post a picture and week/year from your ram sticks? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by P4-630; Sep 17, 2008 at 11:15 AM. Reason: changed title

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