X850XT PE or this card?

[pugmug]

I am picking out one last AGP card upgrade before moving to PCI- E. You people with an x850xt pe, can it beat this cards numbers, http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30502 thank's for any input on this question.

[ShadowFlare]

Originally Posted by pugmug

I am picking out one last AGP card upgrade before moving to PCI- E. You people with an x850xt pe, can it beat this cards numbers, http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30502 thank's for any input on this question.

For those 3dmark 2005 scores shown, the X850 XT PE cannot beat that score for that card's stock speed, except for possibly with a lot of overclocking.

[wazzledoozle]

That is a 7800GT on agp. Its a good deal faster at stock than a very overclocked X850XTPE, plus the 7800 has SM 3.0 and other goodies.

[giorgos th.]

my opinion is to skip the last agp upgrade and move to pci-ex now.
i find it useless what you want to do.

[RatusNatus]

Originally Posted by wazzledoozle

That is a 7800GT on agp. Its a good deal faster at stock than a very overclocked X850XTPE, plus the 7800 has SM 3.0 and other goodies.

This card dont have enough power to run SH3!!!

[KennyT772]

um it does. and even though my ati self hates to say it the 7800gs is the fastest agp card. but i agree with the others in saying get pci-e and amd if u game. buy a new rig once skt am2 comes out so u can get a good drop off prices for 939parts

[Tatty_One]

Again, I agree with all that has been said, the 7800GS is the best bet for you but I too would opt for the PCI-E now if you can afford it, there are some real bargains out there on quality 939 Mobo's at the moment if you do your research. I bought the 850xt only a few weeks ago and am delighted with it, mine came with the enhanced cooling as standard so am clocking stable well in excess of PE speeds-see my system specs (would not advise anyone to fork out extra for the PE version when you can buy the HIS which I have for much cheaper and clock much greater!) and I reckon with your CPU could beat the 3D Mark 05 scores on the review but thats now, in the future in real world games the 7800GS will leave the 850 standing.

Cheers

[yogurt_21]

lol do you realize for the cost of that card you can get a pcix motherboard and a 7900gt!? I mean seriously why the hell would you keep going on agp if the cards are more expensive than a card that will spank it and a better mobo?
i agree with giorgos th. sticking on agp is quite pointless.

[pugmug]

Thank's to all who posted input to the question ask in this thread. As far as some of the other post I will say this. Because I can! The question was about AGP not PCI-E of which I own other rigs that have that tech now. Call this a quest to max an AGP platform again I state, because I can. This way I can get the real data to answer my customers questions correctly without a bunch of BS hype. ps. as far as the above post are you forgetting the cpu,psu and possible ram upgrade needed to get the worth while PCI-E upgrade you speak of? Now, which is more cost effective for some customers that have sunk a bunch of money in their AGP rigs and only want the best out of it that can be had?

[VulgarHandle]

as always, if you can afford it, go for it

but don't go pci-e right now, Intel 'conroe' is comin, as well as AMD socket M2, so uh, hold off, save money, don't even buy the xt pe, i mean, if it's ok to wait, then spend less and gamble on the possibility of opening the 4 extra pipes

being you're on agp, there is a gain to be made by having 16 pipes, but it's all bottleknecking past 8, so why not gamble and save some money

[pugmug]

Thank's for your input also, but if you fully read the link in my first post to the card in question you will see it has 20 pipelines and 512 ram. Thank's again.

[wazzledoozle]

It would be cheaper to get a PCI-E mobo, 7800GT, and 24 pin power supply. A lot cheaper

[pugmug]

Forgive me but I disagree. Where are you going to buy a pci-e mobo,cpu,psu,pci-e vid card and possible ram upgrade of any quality at all for the price of one, if not the, top of the line agp card? Remember some agp people are still using 478 pin cpu's with their agp rigs. ps. price of the card in question is $397.00 USD plus shipping. I can not see all those other upgrades with quality parts comming in under the price of this one vid card.

[wazzledoozle]

Originally Posted by pugmug

Forgive me but I disagree. Where are you going to buy a pci-e mobo,cpu,psu,pci-e vid card and possible ram upgrade of any quality at all for the price of one, if not the, top of the line agp card? Remember some agp people are still using 478 pin cpu's with their agp rigs. ps. price of the card in question is $397.00 USD plus shipping. I can not see all those other upgrades with quality parts comming in under the price of this one vid card.

Its not available in USA, only Europe. And in Europe its MSRP is 400 Euros.

Originally Posted by The Inquirer

It should roughly cost €400 with VAT in Euroland and will definitely give you all you need.

400.00 Euro=484.520 USD
Taxes+Import costs would easily bring it above $500 USD

For that price, you can roughly get-
7800GT $265 after 20$ rebate
AGP/PCIE Mobo $72
Opteron 144 $140
Total= $477

That motherboard is 20 pin native so you wont need a new psu. The opteron will easily hit 2.4 GHz, and you can use the ddr ram you already have.

[trog100]

the card is the fastest one there is for agp.. buy it and ignore all the go pci advice.. he he he

7000 in 2005 is good for quite some time yet.. he he

also if that card was availalble in the US it would be more like 300 dollars.. u cant use what u can buy for american dollars in the US and use the exchange rate.. it dont work that way i wish it did.. euros get "ripped".. he he..

trog

[pugmug]

wazzle, I must disagree again with your post. Here is the link to the card in question with VAT added but no shipping included.The first card on the page and the currency is in British pounds not euro's so it comes to $397.00 USD rounded to the next highest US dollar. http://www.advancetec.co.uk/acatalog...rd_nv_agp.html ps. I wish it was euro's as that would make it $276.84 USD, all the better for the US, correct?

[pugmug]

Oh well, I guess since most people that posted in this thread, at least going by their system specs, do not have an X850XT PE or had one and moved on to something better, I take it that ATI can not beat the Nvidia card in AGP form. ps. I am not a fanboy of either card, and just want the best AGP card money can buy for my customers. Thank's for most of the input answering this question asked in this thread.

[KennyT772]

well if u want future proof buy x850xts. they will play any game out for over the next 3 years and are relitivly cheap. the pe's extra what 20mhz? doesnt do much.

[pugmug]

I do not understand why people keep wanting to bring pci-e into a agp thread.

[KennyT772]

no no no...x850xts. did i say anything about pci-e? nope
im talking about a X850XT $369 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102570
to x850xt pe's that are upwards of $400 if u can even find them

[pugmug]

Forgive me, when you spoke of X850XTS this it what comes to mind. http://www.gecube.com/products-detai...=19&prod_id=35 I did not understand that you were speaking xt's in the plural manner.

[KennyT772]

xt's plurally lol. sorry for the confusion.

[Tatty_One]

Originally Posted by pugmug

Oh well, I guess since most people that posted in this thread, at least going by their system specs, do not have an X850XT PE or had one and moved on to something better, I take it that ATI can not beat the Nvidia card in AGP form. ps. I am not a fanboy of either card, and just want the best AGP card money can buy for my customers. Thank's for most of the input answering this question asked in this thread.

Pug, i am an 850XT owner running well above PE speeds, I have been reading all the posts with interest, if we all come to the conclusion that you want an AGP card for an AGP rig because you have other rigs then its simple, in its simplest terms of course.

In performance terms, on AGP across all the usuall benchmarks the 850xt (non PE) performance is about equal to the 7800GS, the particular review I have just read however compaired the 850XT PE against the 256mb XFX overclocked gamers version of the AGP 7800GS which is a damn good card, UK price around £220, a link to my fave UK site shown below, based on this the PE just pipped the 7800GS (XFX version).

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...uct_uid=104123

Bottom line from where I am standing TODAY, if you want the best today go for IMO the 850xt which generally tends to clock nicely on stock cooling (cant speek for the 7800GS on stock), however if I had to make the decision myself (me an 850xt owner) I would have one eye on tomorrow so would buy the 7800GS!!! As some others have said of course, an overriding factor is if you can source the cards to make the "Bang for Buck" realistic by getting a UK supplier to post to you?

[HookeyStreet]

pugmug whats the spec of the rest of your system?