The Product Stack

W1zzard · Mar 24, 2006, 08:00 AM

To read this review go to: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/ProductStack/

Mussels · Mar 25, 2006, 10:45 AM

nice little display. Was it me, or was there some odd looking grammar in there?

anywho, whats the bet that the cable-free Crossfire still needs a master, or at least the next-gen RD3200(?) chipset mobo...

Lozza · Mar 25, 2006, 12:34 PM

Where exactly did this come from? Looks interesting, I've always favoured ATI in quality, and I usually find they are more expensive, but not in this case I suppose.

W1zzard · Mar 25, 2006, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lozza

Where exactly did this come from?

the info is on every slide .. look in the top left corner. or do you mean the pricing? thats probably from some big uk retailer considering it's GBP prices

POGE · Mar 25, 2006, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lozza

Where exactly did this come from?

The easter bunny.

zekrahminator · Mar 25, 2006, 01:14 PM

hooray! ATI is superior to Nvidia!

. Interesting stuff in there...like catalyst 6.5 lol. And no, GS doesn't USUALLY mean "go slower" on the nvidia side. But on the ATI side, SE stands for "sucky edition" lol

Deathspawner · Mar 25, 2006, 02:15 PM

"You have to wonder if the GS part means Goes Slower"

That made me laugh out loud.

Darksaber · Mar 25, 2006, 02:53 PM

Well I take all that with a grain of salt...on slide 3 they compare a X1800XT 256MB to the 7900GT. Why? The X1800XT 256MB may be cheaper but it does not perform better than the 7900GT, then on slide 4, they suddenly compare the X1800XT 256MB to a EOL part, the 7800GT. The 7900GT costs the same as the 7800GT, but has a much better performance the 7800GT and the X1800XT 256MB.

Then they are taking a X1800GTO which is basically not shipping anywhere (a few exceptions...the UK...I wonder why they took UK prices

...) It is available at Ebuyer for 180 Pounds, the 7600GT goes for 150 Pounds at Ebuyers here. 30 Pounds is a lot of money considering it si 20% of the total price of the card.

Oh and on slide 3: The Prices:
X1900XTX costs 379 Pounds here and a 7900GTX starts at 363 Pounds here great so the X1800GTO is in stock there, but not in Germany/Austria...but the 7900GTX is in stock in Germany but not in the UK...so what?

Don't trust ATI or NVIDIA with these slides..both try to scew them to their advantage...this is what I would call propaganda material *G*. Both have trouble shipping certain parts, both do not have a one on one card lineup for every price/performance point.

read the reviews, the tests from trusted websites...and make your own decision, whats best for you...

cheers
DS

Lozza · Mar 25, 2006, 08:25 PM

What I meant was, is it something ATI have done and emailed to people? Or have ATI put it on some website? And yes I was wondering about the prices too. They mention www.scan.co.uk on one of the slides so they could be from there.

Quote:

The easter bunny.

Interestingly enough, I saw him with a chocolate ATI card the other day

POGE · Mar 25, 2006, 09:19 PM

I cant believe no one has pointed out how it says "7800BS" instead of "7800GS" on one of the slides.

W1zzard · Mar 26, 2006, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by POGE

I cant believe no one has pointed out how it says "7800BS" instead of "7800GS" on one of the slides.

first thing i saw when scanning through the slides

not sure if it's a typo or intended, B and G are close on the keyboard

dsdsdk · Mar 26, 2006, 09:03 AM

how can they compare a $537 gfx with a $321? those are the cheapest prices in denmark (VAT=25%) C3D X1800XT and C3D 7800GT.

A 7900GT will run ya $345...

Mister X · Mar 26, 2006, 07:22 PM

i can understand their frustration, no performance crown, a 180 euro 7600 gt performs like 1800 gto of 246 euro, the 1600 Xt loses from a 7600 gs and costs like almost like a 7600 gt, in sli not even a match for nvidia, ... but instead of hate nvidia for that they schould try to keep up or do better... instead of fake prices and performances to win a few dumbasses that believe this or never have read a review ...

yogurt_21 · Mar 27, 2006, 04:18 PM

wow this one couldn't be more incaccurate lol.
x1800xt 256mb competes with the 7800gtx 256mb and doesn't beat the 7900gt in any test i've seen.
the x1800xt 512mb might in higher res/detail areas due to the extra memory and better built cores. but again it's a toss up.
in many review I've seen the 7600gt beat the x1800gto despite the 128-bit memory.
and what exactly are they using to score these cards with?

EastCoasthandle · Mar 28, 2006, 09:06 PM

I think they meant 7900BS in a different light...keep up man...keep up...

LOL

Mar 24, 2006, 08:00 AM	#1
W1zzard Benevolent Dictator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 13,758 (4.18/day) Thanks: 184 Thanked 10,208 Times in 3,157 Posts System Specs	The Product Stack To read this review go to: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/ProductStack/ Last edited by W1zzard; Mar 25, 2006 at 01:16 AM.

Processor:	Intel Core i7-2600K @ 3.4 GHz
Motherboard:	ASUS P8Z68-V Pro
Memory:	3x 2048 MB Mushkin DDR3
Video Card:	ASUS GeForce GTX 670 Direct CU II TOP
Hard Disk:	Crucial C300 128 GB, WD6400AAKS 640 GB, WD15EADS 1.5 TB
Optical Drive:	BenQ DW1640
CRT/LCD Model:	Dell U3011 30", 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024
Case:	NZXT H2
Sound Card:	On-board Realtek HD
PSU:	Kingwin Absolute Platinum 550 W
Software:	Windows 7 64-bit

Mar 25, 2006, 10:45 AM	#2
Mussels Doctor Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bendigo, Australia (NOT THE USA) Posts: 34,545 (10.97/day) Thanks: 3,699 Thanked 8,686 Times in 6,387 Posts System Specs	nice little display. Was it me, or was there some odd looking grammar in there? anywho, whats the bet that the cable-free Crossfire still needs a master, or at least the next-gen RD3200(?) chipset mobo... __________________ Edumacational thread about PC Audio My external HDD's.5x samsung 1TB + 2x Seagate 1.5TB = 8 TB external storage 32 Bit OS vs 64 bit OS information How to get hardware accelerated H264 playback (DXVA) Netbook Owners United!

System Name:	Real Men use Real Cores!
Processor:	Phenom II x6 1090T: 3600Mhz undervolted (NB+HT at 2.6)
Motherboard:	Gigabyte 890FXA-UD5
Cooling:	Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme (Lapped + ducted)
Memory:	8GB Corsair Dominator DDR3 - 1600Mhz 7-7-7-20 1.65V
Video Card:	AMD Radeon 5870 1GB Crossfire
Hard Disk:	Intel 520 SSD (120GB), 500GB OS + 18TB of storage (mostly external)
Optical Drive:	Samsung Blu Ray drive (SH-B083A)
CRT/LCD Model:	23.6" Samsung 1080P / Samsung 40" HDTV - 1360x768P
Case:	Coolermaster CM 690 II Advanced (non window)
Sound Card:	Auzentech X-Mystique (Logitech Z5500D + sennheiser HD555 + RE2's)
PSU:	Corsair HX 1000W
Software:	Windows 7 Ultimate x64 - kaspersky internet security 2011
Benchmarks:	Laptop: AMD A6 APU 1.4GHz @2.2GHz quad core + APU crossfire. 8GB DDR3, 750GB HDD

System Name:	Heap O' Junk
Processor:	AMD Opteron 165 @ 2.8ghz
Motherboard:	ASUS A8R32-MVP Deluxe
Cooling:	Gigabyte G-Power Pro
Memory:	2GB (2 x 1GB) G.Skill ZX
Video Card:	HD 2900 XT
Hard Disk:	2x250GB RAID0 7200.10 Seagate & 160GB WD Caviar SE
Optical Drive:	Samsung SH-S183ABEBN SATA
CRT/LCD Model:	24" LCD
Case:	Thermaltake Lanfire Xaser III
Sound Card:	Creative Audigy 2 Platinum ex
PSU:	Silverstone Zeus ST75ZF
Software:	Dual boot vista/xp pro

Mar 25, 2006, 12:34 PM	#3
Lozza Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Great Wyrley-UK Posts: 41 (0.01/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts System Specs	Where exactly did this come from? Looks interesting, I've always favoured ATI in quality, and I usually find they are more expensive, but not in this case I suppose.

Processor:	Turion 64 ML-34 1.8Ghz
Motherboard:	Compaq Laptop Mobo
Cooling:	Stock Compaq Laptop Fan
Memory:	1x 256 DDR333
Video Card:	Radeon 200m
Hard Disk:	40GB 5200RPM HP
Optical Drive:	HP CDRW/DVD Combo Drive
CRT/LCD Model:	Stock Laptop LCD
Case:	Laptop Case
Sound Card:	Onboard Realtek
PSU:	Stock Laptop Powerbrick
Software:	Windows XP Pro

Mar 25, 2006, 01:14 PM	#6
zekrahminator McLovin Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: My house. Posts: 6,280 (2.35/day) Thanks: 105 Thanked 340 Times in 246 Posts System Specs	hooray! ATI is superior to Nvidia! . Interesting stuff in there...like catalyst 6.5 lol. And no, GS doesn't USUALLY mean "go slower" on the nvidia side. But on the ATI side, SE stands for "sucky edition" lol __________________ “Just because you're hung like a moose doesn't mean you should do porn.”

Processor:	AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ Brisbane @ 2.8GHz (224x12.5, 1.425V)
Motherboard:	Gigabyte sumthin-or-another, it's got an nForce 430
Cooling:	Dual 120mm case fans front/rear, Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro, Zalman VF-900 on GPU
Memory:	2GB G.Skill DDR2 800
Video Card:	Sapphire X850XT @ 580/600
Hard Disk:	WD 160 GB SATA hard drive.
Optical Drive:	Lite-On DVD-RW.
CRT/LCD Model:	Hanns G 19" widescreen, 5ms response time, 1440x900
Case:	Thermaltake Soprano (black with side window).
Sound Card:	Soundblaster Live! 24 bit (paired with X-530 speakers).
PSU:	ThermalTake 430W TR2
Software:	XP Home SP2, can't wait for Vista SP1.

Mar 25, 2006, 02:15 PM	#7
Deathspawner Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlantic Canada Posts: 7 (0.00/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	"You have to wonder if the GS part means Goes Slower" That made me laugh out loud. __________________ AMD Venice 3200+ @ 2.63GHz, DFI LanParty Ultra-D 2GB (2 * 1GB) OCZ Gold GX PC4000 @ 3-4-3-8 (2.7v), eVGA 7800GT (470/1.12) WD 160GB, LG DVD+RW 16x, Chaintech AV-710

Mar 25, 2006, 02:53 PM	#8
Darksaber W1zzard's Sidekick Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 2,461 (0.86/day) Thanks: 33 Thanked 704 Times in 244 Posts System Specs	Well I take all that with a grain of salt...on slide 3 they compare a X1800XT 256MB to the 7900GT. Why? The X1800XT 256MB may be cheaper but it does not perform better than the 7900GT, then on slide 4, they suddenly compare the X1800XT 256MB to a EOL part, the 7800GT. The 7900GT costs the same as the 7800GT, but has a much better performance the 7800GT and the X1800XT 256MB. Then they are taking a X1800GTO which is basically not shipping anywhere (a few exceptions...the UK...I wonder why they took UK prices ...) It is available at Ebuyer for 180 Pounds, the 7600GT goes for 150 Pounds at Ebuyers here. 30 Pounds is a lot of money considering it si 20% of the total price of the card. Oh and on slide 3: The Prices: X1900XTX costs 379 Pounds here and a 7900GTX starts at 363 Pounds here great so the X1800GTO is in stock there, but not in Germany/Austria...but the 7900GTX is in stock in Germany but not in the UK...so what? Don't trust ATI or NVIDIA with these slides..both try to scew them to their advantage...this is what I would call propaganda material G. Both have trouble shipping certain parts, both do not have a one on one card lineup for every price/performance point. read the reviews, the tests from trusted websites...and make your own decision, whats best for you... cheers DS __________________ Join the TechPowerUp! Facebook Group --- Follow TechPowerUp! on Twitter

System Name:	Core i7 Overclocked - Main Workstation
Processor:	Core i7 940 at 3.66 GHz
Motherboard:	Asus P6T Deluxe
Cooling:	Noktua U14P Super Silent
Memory:	3x2GB OCZ 1600 MHz CL8
Video Card:	2x MSI Cyclone Radeon 6850 1GB in Crossfire - tuned to be silent
Hard Disk:	G.Skill 240GB Sandforce SSD, 1x 640GB Samsung F1, 2x500GB Samsung Spinpoint, 1.5TB External Samsung
Optical Drive:	Samsung 16xDVD & Samsung 16xDVD-/+RW
CRT/LCD Model:	Samsung 305T 30" 2560x1600 DVI LCD
Case:	Corsair Obsidian 800D
Sound Card:	Asus Xonar D2X PCIe
PSU:	Thermaltake Toughpower XT 750W
Software:	Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit

Mar 25, 2006, 09:19 PM	#10
POGE Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In banjo's Goats. Posts: 1,387 (0.50/day) Thanks: 3 Thanked 35 Times in 23 Posts System Specs	I cant believe no one has pointed out how it says "7800BS" instead of "7800GS" on one of the slides. __________________ pogeybait

Mar 26, 2006, 09:03 AM	#12
dsdsdk Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 65 (0.02/day) Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	how can they compare a $537 gfx with a $321? those are the cheapest prices in denmark (VAT=25%) C3D X1800XT and C3D 7800GT. A 7900GT will run ya $345...

Mar 26, 2006, 07:22 PM	#13
Mister X Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1 (0.00/day) Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i can understand their frustration, no performance crown, a 180 euro 7600 gt performs like 1800 gto of 246 euro, the 1600 Xt loses from a 7600 gs and costs like almost like a 7600 gt, in sli not even a match for nvidia, ... but instead of hate nvidia for that they schould try to keep up or do better... instead of fake prices and performances to win a few dumbasses that believe this or never have read a review ...

Mar 27, 2006, 04:18 PM	#14
yogurt_21 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,054 (1.53/day) Thanks: 2,243 Thanked 542 Times in 443 Posts System Specs	wow this one couldn't be more incaccurate lol. x1800xt 256mb competes with the 7800gtx 256mb and doesn't beat the 7900gt in any test i've seen. the x1800xt 512mb might in higher res/detail areas due to the extra memory and better built cores. but again it's a toss up. in many review I've seen the 7600gt beat the x1800gto despite the 128-bit memory. and what exactly are they using to score these cards with?

System Name:	Last of the Mohicans
Processor:	Intel i7 950 @ 4.4GHZ 21x210
Motherboard:	Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R
Cooling:	Scythe Mugen 2 rev B (SCMG-2100), stock on gpu's.
Memory:	6GB Kingston HyperX ddr3 1600 9-9-9-27@ 1680
Video Card:	2x Msi gtx 480 :) Still Strong
Hard Disk:	Samsung 840 Pro 256GB OS, 3x WD10EARS in raid 0 games, external 2tb storage, RaptorX 150GB chillin
Optical Drive:	SONY DVD-+RW and sony combo
CRT/LCD Model:	Viewsonic 27" 1080P
Case:	Raidmax Scorpio 668, stupid small ass case has 1 too few expansion slots in the back
Sound Card:	onboard HD
PSU:	Enermax Galaxy 1kw 75amp +12v
Software:	Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
Benchmarks:	thus far max 3d11 11580, Vantage 43977

Mar 28, 2006, 09:06 PM	#15
EastCoasthandle Eligible for custom title Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 6,244 (2.12/day) Thanks: 382 Thanked 1,526 Times in 865 Posts System Specs	I think they meant 7900BS in a different light...keep up man...keep up... LOL __________________ Windows 7 Club!, Online Gaming Lag and You GPU/CPU Water Cooling Club, Q9650 OC'd vs 2600K Stock PC Air Cooling Club, Game Performance Tips

System Name:	MY PC
Processor:	E8400 @ 3.80Ghz > Q9650 3.60Ghz
Motherboard:	Maximus Formula
Cooling:	D5, 7/16" ID Tubing, Maze4 with Fuzion CPU WB
Memory:	XMS 8500C5D @ 1066MHz
Video Card:	HD 2900 XT 858/900 to 4870 to 5870 (Keep Vreg area clean)
Hard Disk:	2
Optical Drive:	2
CRT/LCD Model:	24"
Case:	P180
Sound Card:	X-fi Plantinum
PSU:	Silencer 750
Software:	XP Pro SP3 to Windows 7
Benchmarks:	This varies from one driver to another.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)