Radeon HD 5870 Aggressively Priced: Report

btarunr · Aug 24, 2009, 08:26 PM

According to a fresh report by Donanim Haber, AMD's next performance graphics accelerator, the Radeon HD 5870, codenamed "Cypress" is expected to be aggressively priced, at US $299. At that price, it intends to be highly competitive against GeForce GTX 285 from NVIDIA. The secret-sauce behind the price could be the 40 nm fab process on which the GPU is being built, which allows upping transistor counts while maintaining significantly smaller die-sizes compared to 55 nm.

There is a great deal of uncertainty surrounding the specifications of the GPU, including what level of performance with existing application could it end up offering. Some sources, such as ChipHell, which are one of the first to leak pictures of components related to various Evergreen family products claim the Cypress GPU to have an almost 100% increase in stream processor counts compared to RV770, while others remain conservative expecting it to be around 50%. With this kind of a pricing, Cypress could trigger market-wide changes in GPU pricing, if it ends up with a good price/performance ratio at $299.

Cypress is expected to be launched on 22 September, close to two weeks after the company unveils the Evergreen family of DirectX 11 compliant GPUs on September 10. Market availability is expected in October. In related news from the same report, the enthusiast-grade accelerator that uses two of these GPUs, codenamed "Hemlock", is expected to be out in November.

Sources: DonanimHaber

sapetto · Aug 24, 2009, 08:34 PM

How much did HD4870 cost at first when launched again $299?

werez · Aug 24, 2009, 08:36 PM

it intends to be highly competitive against GeForce GTX 285 ? lol ... about 3 months ago i was thinking the new 5000 series will get beyond that "limit" . so ... IT`s safe to say that my GTX 260 is competitive against GeForce GTX 285 . . I'm confused

araditus · Aug 24, 2009, 08:37 PM

yes and the same as the 3870 @ 299$

and werez, i am thinking, just the price point, since NO one knows the performance. its the 285 price point and (lets hope) it is 100% more powerful, well then thats a competitive product.

werez · Aug 24, 2009, 08:39 PM

oh .. silly me .

[I.R.A]_FBi · Aug 24, 2009, 08:42 PM

Thats not aggressively priced or targeted ...

araditus · Aug 24, 2009, 08:45 PM

SO; comes out the same day as the NorthAmerican release of Aion, yes this will go nicely!! I figured I would join the speculation on the specifications:

4870 ---> 5870
73% increase in SP
11% decrease in powerconsumption
33% increase in transistors
clocks will be 895 mhz standard (give or take 5%)
3dmark06 increase of 57% @ 1900x1200

AltecV1 · Aug 24, 2009, 08:45 PM

i was hoping it to be 249$ but its not

werez · Aug 24, 2009, 08:46 PM

Anyway :

tigger · Aug 24, 2009, 08:46 PM

It'll be £299 in the rip off uk.

araditus · Aug 24, 2009, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by werez

Anyway :

http://img.techpowerup.org/090824/ra...eveal_full.jpg

oh man, i was really close, i have never seen that chart before i must be out of the loop, damn im really close

selway89 · Aug 24, 2009, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tigger

It'll be £299 in the rip off uk.

Yup!

and I want a new 5850 or 5870, hoping they don't price them out of my budget.

WarEagleAU · Aug 24, 2009, 08:50 PM

Sounds like a nice entry point. I expect about 6 months or so and the prices will drop. I was hoping they would do 1000mhz on the core, seeing as the 4890 can get that.

A Cheese Danish · Aug 24, 2009, 08:53 PM

I still think I'll wait for the X2 version and blow all my money on that

werez · Aug 24, 2009, 08:54 PM

well .. i don`t know ... i was just surfing around looking for some info , and i came across a dude who clocked a GTX275 at 972/1405/1950 , hahah . XFX card , funny thing .... GT200 is still a powerful chip man .

KainXS · Aug 24, 2009, 09:00 PM

"waits for 1600sp 5870"

this card is gonna woop the GT200 either way though, but 1200sp vs 1600 will decide if it can outperform a GTX295 or HD4870X2 with 1 card

werez · Aug 24, 2009, 09:05 PM

outperform GTX295 or HD4870X2 ? your kidding right ? hope you are talking about Hemlock , not the single GPU version .

qubit · Aug 24, 2009, 09:05 PM

"Highly competitive" with a GTX 285? WTF does that mean? This sounds like the performance will be similar.

For a brand new architecture and top of the range card, it should be at the very least 50% faster. I hope that it's just that the rumours are wrong.

One thing that occurs to me, is that the card at stock clocks may be similar in performance to a GTX 285, but will overclock to hell and back straight out of the box, with no tweaking required. This could allow AMD to price it low, while still blowing away a GTX 285 in performance when overclocked. As word got round about this, it would fly off the shelves. This is my theory, anyway.

newtekie1 · Aug 24, 2009, 09:07 PM

Good we need something to bring down nVidia's high end prices...over $300 still for the GTX285 is stupid IMO.

KainXS · Aug 24, 2009, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by werez

outperform GTX295 or HD4870X2 ? your kidding right ? hope you are talking about Hemlock , not the single GPU version .

nope not joking, you have to remember that the GTX295 and HD4870X2 are only about 40 to 60% faster than their single versions in most cases, add in that ATI could be doubling the specs of their new card vs their previous card(which they have never done) and has enough bandwidth to handle it and you have a monster.

PCpraiser100 · Aug 24, 2009, 09:15 PM

Wow, AMD is falling back into the trap that Nvidia has set up AGAIN. This happened when the HD 3000 series came up, and now, Nvidia is simply going to strike back using retaliation as their advantage over knowing the weaknesses of this video card. This reminds me of chess too much.

KainXS · Aug 24, 2009, 09:18 PM

Think about it, HD5870 could have 1600SP and 32Rops, The HD4870X2 also has 32Rops and 1600SP's but loses performance due to crossfire

which one would be faster

but I will still say the GTX380 would woop it even still.

kylzer · Aug 24, 2009, 09:20 PM

GOD DAMMIT !!!

so how much will the HD5870x2 be then?

werez · Aug 24, 2009, 09:23 PM

I think that 40 nm fab process real benefit is just lower power consumption , and lower temperature ... at a 299 US$ price point i can`t really see more than a 10%-15% performance increase (HD4890 as reference) + dx11 full support . Money tells you everything you need to know about a product .

KainXS · Aug 24, 2009, 09:24 PM

not really, ati needs to sell now before nvidia's new cards come out, high prices might make people want to wait longer.

and these prices are not final even still.

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Aug 24, 2009, 08:34 PM	#2
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Aug 24, 2009, 08:36 PM	#3
werez Join Date: May 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 298 (0.20/day) Thanks: 14 Thanked 46 Times in 35 Posts	it intends to be highly competitive against GeForce GTX 285 ? lol ... about 3 months ago i was thinking the new 5000 series will get beyond that "limit" . so ... IT`s safe to say that my GTX 260 is competitive against GeForce GTX 285 . . I'm confused

Aug 24, 2009, 08:37 PM	#4
araditus Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 139 (0.09/day) Thanks: 6 Thanked 25 Times in 17 Posts	yes and the same as the 3870 @ 299$ and werez, i am thinking, just the price point, since NO one knows the performance. its the 285 price point and (lets hope) it is 100% more powerful, well then thats a competitive product.

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werez Join Date: May 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 298 (0.20/day) Thanks: 14 Thanked 46 Times in 35 Posts	oh .. silly me .

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werez Join Date: May 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 298 (0.20/day) Thanks: 14 Thanked 46 Times in 35 Posts	well .. i don`t know ... i was just surfing around looking for some info , and i came across a dude who clocked a GTX275 at 972/1405/1950 , hahah . XFX card , funny thing .... GT200 is still a powerful chip man .

Aug 24, 2009, 09:00 PM	#16
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werez Join Date: May 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 298 (0.20/day) Thanks: 14 Thanked 46 Times in 35 Posts	outperform GTX295 or HD4870X2 ? your kidding right ? hope you are talking about Hemlock , not the single GPU version .

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KainXS Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,698 (2.27/day) Thanks: 185 Thanked 466 Times in 383 Posts System Specs	Think about it, HD5870 could have 1600SP and 32Rops, The HD4870X2 also has 32Rops and 1600SP's but loses performance due to crossfire which one would be faster but I will still say the GTX380 would woop it even still.

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Aug 24, 2009, 09:23 PM	#24
werez Join Date: May 2009 Location: Romania Posts: 298 (0.20/day) Thanks: 14 Thanked 46 Times in 35 Posts	I think that 40 nm fab process real benefit is just lower power consumption , and lower temperature ... at a 299 US$ price point i can`t really see more than a 10%-15% performance increase (HD4890 as reference) + dx11 full support . Money tells you everything you need to know about a product .