No more DirectX 9 card support under 7

[FreedomEclipse]

Originally Posted by erocker

Blame who for what? Lol.

Well, typically Hes blaming Microsoft for ATi dropping support for DX9 cards under Windows 7 & Im just clarifying the fact that Microsoft cant be held responsible because they released a new more improved 'upgraded' product or 'progress' in general if it were to be said.


I hope this helps....

[erocker]

Hmm.. well, as was previously stated, ATi DX9 cards are supported under Windows 7. ATi just isn't putting their resources into trying to eek out minimal improvements with these cards and newer driver releases. There isn't a problem. Then again, people just like reading thread titles and commenting exclusively on those, instead of reading content, doing research and finding out what the story really is.

[DrPepper]

Originally Posted by wiak

blame microsoft not ati

Blame them for cutting off support for legacy cards and pushing technology along ?

[niko084]

Originally Posted by 20mmrain

I think it's a little premature for AMD to do this. Considering most low end gamers on the computer are still using mainly DX9 equipment. Also most games are still being produced to use DX9. I read a poll somewhere saying that the most common two Graphics cards still in use are the X1650, X1900 and the 8800 GTX. Now I understand that the 8800's are DX10 capable. But the other two cards aren't.
I think AMD would of been smarter to wait to see how Windows 7 takes off before they cancel support for updating DX9 cards.
But hey that survey could have been wrong and so might I be.

No, it's a great idea on many levels to stop support for older graphics hardware.

It doesn't doesn't mean Dx9 games will no be playable.. It simply means the older dx9 cards will not have updated drivers for Windows 7.

This saves money and time on support and allows them to focus on the newer equipment they are making money off. It also makes a lot of people upgrade their age old equipment.

I don't think taking away new updated drivers to owners of dx9 ATI cards is really going to hurt anyone. As you said... Sure most gamers maybe using x1650/x1900 dx9 cards, sure but they are also most likely using P4s and AMD 64s, not really something worth running windows 7 on, and the few that did upgrade everything else probably know that the vista driver will work fine.

"No More Support" doesn't = Doesn't Work, just means they wont support it.

I can't say I blame them in the least, the x1950s are how many years old now?
You can pickup a card for under $50 that will out perform it ALL day.

[Easo]

They should have left x1600 and up supported, after all, they are pretty decent in gaming, and supports full dx9, 9xxx should have died anyway, who will be able to play something new on, say, 9550? xD

[FreedomEclipse]

Originally Posted by niko084

Sure most gamers maybe using x1650/x1900 dx9 cards, sure but they are also most likely using P4s and AMD 64s, not really something worth running windows 7 on

I dont agree with you - Anything that meets the requirements is worth running Windows 7 on IMHO. If your looking at x1650/x1900 then you are most likely looking at AMD A64 'X2's' -Dual Core setups. theres probably less then 10% of people that hung on to their old AMD A64's & most that do probably dont use the same machine for gaming anymore unlike me.

I got Windows 7 working on a AMD FX-55 (2.6Ghz) & it runs like a charm albeit not as fast & as much capability as dual core processor

Its still good for what it is.

[FreedomEclipse]

Originally Posted by Easo

They should have left x1600 and up supported, after all, they are pretty decent in gaming, and supports full dx9, 9xxx should have died anyway, who will be able to play something new on, say, 9550? xD

X1600's were terrible for gaming. but I supposed they filled that part of the market well enough. they were grossely underpowerd.

[20mmrain]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 20mmrain View Post
I think it's a little premature for AMD to do this. Considering most low end gamers on the computer are still using mainly DX9 equipment. Also most games are still being produced to use DX9. I read a poll somewhere saying that the most common two Graphics cards still in use are the X1650, X1900 and the 8800 GTX. Now I understand that the 8800's are DX10 capable. But the other two cards aren't.
I think AMD would of been smarter to wait to see how Windows 7 takes off before they cancel support for updating DX9 cards.
But hey that survey could have been wrong and so might I be.
couldn't be more wrong. Im a high-end XP user, and am currently using DX10 (haven't heard? google it!). Not to mention that there isnt enough difference between DX10 and 9, 10 should have been 9x(whichever letter is next, i forget, was it d?) in which case, 10 should have been 9e.
I am very disappointed with dx10, ill skip to 11 when i do my new build beginning of next year.

Also, correct me if im wrong, but isnt this just limited to the cards you listed?¿?

My info was according to steam last time I looked at their polls. Who would know better than Steam the people who deal with nothing but gamers????

[20mmrain]

No, it's a great idea on many levels to stop support for older graphics hardware.

It doesn't doesn't mean Dx9 games will no be playable.. It simply means the older dx9 cards will not have updated drivers for Windows 7.

This saves money and time on support and allows them to focus on the newer equipment they are making money off. It also makes a lot of people upgrade their age old equipment.

I don't think taking away new updated drivers to owners of dx9 ATI cards is really going to hurt anyone. As you said... Sure most gamers maybe using x1650/x1900 dx9 cards, sure but they are also most likely using P4s and AMD 64s, not really something worth running windows 7 on, and the few that did upgrade everything else probably know that the vista driver will work fine.

"No More Support" doesn't = Doesn't Work, just means they wont support it.

I can't say I blame them in the least, the x1950s are how many years old now?
You can pickup a card for under $50 that will out perform it ALL day.

The only reason I could see that it would be a great idea is for AMD/ATI financial department. Other wise from the standpoint of hard up for money gamers it sucks! Especially in a recession! There isn't as much money floating around for people to spend. Yes freat for AMD/ATI but bad for hard up gamers.
I do understand there are cards out there that will beat the X1900 and X1650 all day for 50 bucks. But again people aren't throwing money around like they used too. (Not saying I'm not with my new 5870 HEHEHE) But still others aren't.

This is were I contradict myself though. I do also agree that if your trying to game in a modern world on a PC. You should at least have a ATI 3870 or 8800GT on your side.

......... After thought maybe your arguments are starting to win me over some! Maybe it is time to faze those late greats out!

[Andyboy]

AMD SEMPRON 2800+(2.0ghz OC) , 1GB RAM , ATI RADEON 9550 , the rest not important .

1) After one night (this is the second night) browsing techpowerup forums , ati homepage and google and many many blue screens of death , system crash , lots of safe modes , drivers & software install/uninstall I still didn`t get to make Windows 7 to recognize with drivers and control center my RADEON 9550 video card . Now that I finally finished browsing almost all the ati/windows7/radeon 9550 on windows 7 threads after I write this comment I will try , maybe for the last time to install driver+tools for my card(wich worked perfectly on xp(sp3) . I just want from my card to watch tv-out movies and play ancient games (NFS Underground , Fifa 2006 etc.) .

2) You will ask yourself why did I install Windows 7 ?
Because it works much faster and has more features than XP(sp3) and for the design(not aero because it doesen`t work with my video card)
I found all the drivers for my hardware and installed the latest except the ATI RADEON 9550 video card . I even called the CALL CENTER from England where they told something I expected (but I was so pissed from getting BSD so I did it anywat) : We are sorry SIR but we CAN`T help you at the moment , we have no intention at the moment for any driver release for your card and no official support . For the record ... the call center operator didn`t speak fluent english (YES,the U.K. call center operator) and I had many communication problems with him . Is this the REAL FACE of ATI/AMD ?

I will post the results of my "adventure" tommorow but I think there are not many chances of watching on TV-OUT the new episode of Heroes(lol) until I change the ATI video card .

P.S. I didn`t chose ATI , they chose me because I had nVidia and it broke , took it to service (they couldn`t repair) and traded my ASUS FX5200 for radeon9550 (maybe my fault because I accepted,but I had to wait 1 month before getting me a new fx5200(lol) )

Sorry for bad spelling and writting but I am very tired so ... Peace UP !

[erocker]

My system: AMD Athlon 3200+ s754, ATi 9800SE

Running Windows 7. Went to www.amd.com and got the drivers by selecting my video card and operating system. Haven't had a problem.

Are you positive the video card is causing the blue screens? Have you checked what your error log says? Run MemTest? Error checked your hard drive?


*BTW do NOT install Catalyst Control Center of any kind. Just the drivers.

[audiotranceable]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

getting lazy ATI? my 5770 doesnt even have drivers on there website for ZP. had to go to asus to get them and theres only one.

with a avatar like that who cares about asus drivers. She can be a driver anywhere

[troyrae360]

No one is forcing anyone to go buy windows 7 and put it on there old hardware so theres not really any problem here, If you want windows 7 and you want your drivers updated regulery just go buy a cheep card that is fully supported.

[Goodman]

I didn't read the all thread but you guys just make my laugh hard sometimes...

Who is stup.. enough to believe anything from fudzilla & Inquirer anymore...?(semiaccurate not to far away too)
You should know the more bentwitch they got to more money they make so any story that makes more people read it or click their adds the better for them.

As for ATI drivers or win7 not supported dx9 is a f*en! lie , hell about 75% of games are dx9 only a very few are even dx10(.1) (39 games dx10(.1) & 5 of them need a patch to use it ) as for Dx11 there is what 2 games out till now...?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ctX_10_support

Anyway got the ATI driver 9.12 & win7 & play all my dx9 games just fine
Just update dx for M$ download site you'll have all you need

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...a-9b6652cd92a3

[Papahyooie]

really guys... youre not going to be gaming in win7 on a ati 9800. IF you still have one of these (i do, but dont use it) then just install the microsoft driver. It works great.

Goodman, thanks for telling us you didnt read the thread, but it was obvious already from your post.

[erocker]

This thread is old btw. Now you know.

Goodman is correct, even the WDDM 1.10 drivers will work. I even managed to play that AAAaaaaaaaAAAAaaa... game at work today using them.

[Goodman]

Originally Posted by Papahyooie

really guys... youre not going to be gaming in win7 on a ati 9800. IF you still have one of these (i do, but dont use it) then just install the microsoft driver. It works great.

Goodman, thanks for telling us you didnt read the thread, but it was obvious already from your post.

The point that i was making was not to believe anything that comes from Fudzilla & Inquirer they are both the same full of shit!!

[Champ]

I think it's great. This shows they are serious about moving on. Maybe we can still get some good use of DX10 and even better with DX11.

[eidairaman1]

My machine has a Radeon x1950 Pro in it and works perfectly fine with the Catalyst 9.11 Legacy Drivers, I also see full WIndows Eyecandy without any performance hit.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by eidairaman1

My machine has a Radeon x1950 Pro in it and works perfectly fine with the Catalyst 9.11 Legacy Drivers, I also see full WIndows Eyecandy without any performance hit.

Indeed. My 9800 is running aero in 7 and it's extremely snappy for such an old card. By far the best card I've ever bought.

[eidairaman1]

well here is my video history, Hercules 3D Prophet 2 GTS Pro (GF 2 GTS Pro 64 mod)

ATI Radeon 9700 Pro AIW- broke it accidently (power section- my fault)- Miss that card. RMA to 9800 Pro AIW.

currently on X1950 Pro from Sapphire (Kickass)

Soon to be Fastest non ref radeon avail.

[xBruce88x]

hmm... my friends x1600 worked fine on win7 with the vista drivers, full effects and everything and no slow downs at all, and he's running with 1gb ram, 3.0ghz P4 HT

since eidairaman1 posted a vid card history, i guess i'll post mine. ,cirrus logic gfx (some card with my win 3.1 system), opti 512kb (played starcraft well enough), ati rage pro turbo II 2mb, sis530 8mb, intel i740 agp 8mb (played half life decently, got soo hot the heatsink fell off while i was playing CS1.6 lol, one of the paste on heat sinks), sis 315e 32mb, geforce 2 mx 32mb, geforce 4 mx440 agp8x 64mb, radeon 7500 64mb, radeon 9600xt 128mb, geforce 8600gt 256mb, geforce 9600gt 512mb. That's the order of my "main" gaming cards, the rest are misc cards i use on occasion

radeon 7000 w/ ati rage theater 32mb, 2x 3dfx voodooII 12mb each in sli mode and working! (they're in my 9600GT system now, use em for emulators and such), intel 945/950 224mb "max DVMT" (laptop)

[roast]

I'm pretty sure games companies would take this into consideration anyway during development.

Aren't the drivers pretty much the best they can be at this stage? DX9 cards have been out for a loong time, and theres only so many improvements that can be made to drivers for older hardware...

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by roast

I'm pretty sure games companies would take this into consideration anyway during development.

Aren't the drivers pretty much the best they can be at this stage? DX9 cards have been out for a loong time, and theres only so many improvements that can be made to drivers for older hardware...

pretty much, yes.


The only exception being fixes for specific games (as a poor example, ATI allowing AA in batman arkham asylum via driver updates)

Then again, one could argue these old cards are too weak for such modern titles, therefore no need to update their drivers.

[bobzilla2009]

well, they meet the minimum specifications for some of the consoles ports. But, let's face it, even the best dx9 cards are over the hill now. Buy a £40 hd4670 and cheer up.