Power for the 5970 (5870x2)

l33tGaMeR · 11-07-2009, 10:51 PM

Now I know that finalised details haven't been released yet, but with my current PSU, would I be able to handle the 5970/5870x2? Or will I need to upgrade to a 1000w one? By looking at the 5870 can you give a rough idea of power needs for the 5970

Paulieg · 11-07-2009, 10:56 PM

Your PSU should not be running your current card, let alone something more powerful. Codegen is garbage generic stuff. Don't be surprised if that thing fails and takes your system with it. Your PSU IS the foundation of your system. Always use a quality power supply. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is the truth.

Conflict0s · 11-07-2009, 10:56 PM

As you said we can only make presumptions but I think you will be ok to run one. From what I have read, DX11 cards are quite energy efficient

EDIT: I Didn't look at the manufacture :/ I just had a quick look at the wattage, sorry. I do think you would be ok on the wattage side of things but only with a quality PSU.

LittleLizard · 11-07-2009, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulieg

Your PSU should not be running your current card, let alone something more powerful. Codegen is garbage generic stuff. Don't be surprised if that thing fails and takes your system with it. Your PSU IS the foundation of your system. Always use a quality power supply. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it is the truth.

+1. that psu shouldnt be running a 4870. get an antec/corsair/pcp&c/ocz psu of 700+ watts

Melvis · 11-07-2009, 11:37 PM

What is the AMPs that each 12v rail deliver from your current PSU?

You have enough Watts 800+ but what i have heard the new ATI 5XXX Series have high AMP usages? This is more important than your watts.

If you can tell us that then we can then determine if your current PSU will do the job

musek · 11-07-2009, 11:50 PM

Codegen = evil, no doubt about it.

Even if it does work well right now, well, suddenly one day it won't and can take a big part of your beloved rig with it.

You should change it now, don't wait for a new card. You can add a Be quiet!, Enermax and even Cooler Master (this is if you don't want/can't spend too much $$) to LittleLizard's list.

kurosagi01 · 11-08-2009, 12:07 AM

buy this badboy

corsair 750W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139006

Jstn7477 · 11-08-2009, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melvis

What is the AMPs that each 12v rail deliver from your current PSU?

You have enough Watts 800+ but what i have heard the new ATI 5XXX Series have high AMP usages? This is more important than your watts.

If you can tell us that then we can then determine if your current PSU will do the job

My Mushkin 800w (good quality) PSU beats someone's cheapo 1200w PSU. I highly doubt that a PSU with 2 12v rails is gonna pull 825w (all the good PSUs I have seen have 1 or 4+ rails).

Just looked up the Codegen, and it has 2 18a rails, and just as I expected, a 50A 5v rail. My Mushkin 800w has 4 20A rails which can be switched to make 1 64A rail.

Zubasa · 11-08-2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jstn7477

My Mushkin 800w (good quality) PSU beats someone's cheapo 1200w PSU. I highly doubt that a PSU with 2 12v rails is gonna pull 825w (all the good PSUs I have seen have 1 or 4+ rails).

Just looked up the Codegen, and it has 2 18a rails, and just as I expected, a 50A 5v rail. My Mushkin 800w has 4 20A rails which can be switched to make 1 64A rail.

It is the +12V that really matters anyways, that PSU might sum up to 825W with the other rails that nothing really uses much of.

3volvedcombat · 11-08-2009, 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurosagi01

buy this badboy

corsair 750W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139006

I have that current PSU. It has a 5 year warranty, 140mm fan, a awesome carrying bag and a steal badge and zip ties, and can handle the e5200 at 3.9Ghz with 4gb of ddr2, and 2 HD 4870's + 2 harddrive's + cold cathode's + (not important) 6 120mm fans. Its even so pro, that once you turn your computer off and nothing is running, the power supply's 140mm fan thats temp controlled still runs for about 1+ minute to cool it down before its finally off. Now thats what i call a

power supply.

Jstn7477 · 11-08-2009, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zubasa

It is the +12V that really matters anyways, that PSU might sum up to 825W with the other rails that nothing really uses much of.

Yup, thats why I figured that they used a really outrageously large 5V rail for the "high-wattage" e-peen. My Mushkin has around 30A on both 5V and 3.3V rails which is standard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3volvedcombat

I have that current PSU. It has a 5 year warranty, 140mm fan, a awesome carrying bag and a steal badge and zip ties, and can handle the e5200 at 3.9Ghz with 4gb of ddr2, and 2 HD 4870's + 2 harddrive's + cold cathode's + (not important) 6 120mm fans. Its even so pro, that once you turn your computer off and nothing is running, the power supply's 140mm fan thats temp controlled still runs for about 1+ minute to cool it down before its finally off. Now thats what i call a

power supply.

I also had that Corsair TX750 (my dad has it now) and it is a wonderful PSU. I only bought the Mushkin because it was cheap and had modular cabling, but it turned out to be a great PSU. Can't seem to find my XP-800AP anymore on Newegg, maybe they discontinued it.

Melvis · 11-08-2009, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jstn7477

My Mushkin 800w (good quality) PSU beats someone's cheapo 1200w PSU. I highly doubt that a PSU with 2 12v rails is gonna pull 825w (all the good PSUs I have seen have 1 or 4+ rails).

Just looked up the Codegen, and it has 2 18a rails, and just as I expected, a 50A 5v rail. My Mushkin 800w has 4 20A rails which can be switched to make 1 64A rail.

Yea i Get what you are saying. I should of said look at the AMP's and Watts that both 12v rails produce and then we can determine if it will run the card. As it might say something like 600W from the 2 12v rails combined etc

musek · 11-08-2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jstn7477

I only bought the Mushkin because it was cheap and had modular cabling, but it turned out to be a great PSU.

I bought my previous PSU - Cooler Master Silent Pro 700RS - for the same reasons. And it also turned out to be a great PSU. If not my bizarre love for Be quiet! I'd still use it for sure. One can find it on newegg for as little as ~100 bucks. It bravely juiced my current rig with 5870, and with GTX 285 and 4870X2 that I've had before (not simultaneously though - one card at the time).

mastrdrver · 11-08-2009, 12:40 AM

Here is a excellent unit for a good price from a fellow TPUer. Runs about the same price on newegg after rebate so no waiting around for a good price.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=105158

musek · 11-08-2009, 12:45 AM

^ Great offer.

Jstn7477 · 11-08-2009, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mastrdrver

Here is a excellent unit for a good price from a fellow TPUer. Runs about the same price on newegg after rebate so no waiting around for a good price.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=105158

+1. Enermax is another good brand.

bissa · 11-08-2009, 01:11 AM

I have the HX850W and it would hold almost anything (withing reasonable limits) you can throw at it.

theonedub · 11-08-2009, 01:22 AM

This Antec is a monster PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371022

4 25A rails good for combined 62A @ 80+ Bronze, can be pushed further at the cost of efficiency though.

Got mine local for $95 local.

l33tGaMeR · 11-08-2009, 01:37 AM

How bout this? (Price is in Australian Dollars Im an Aussie)

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...oducts_id=7008

newfellow · 11-08-2009, 02:10 AM

I'd say anything from 600W decent power should do. I'm running 2 x 5850 + NVIDIA 9800GTX and I can dump an IntelBurnTest+FurMark simultanously with all memory and it still ain't going over 550W's by the meter on wall +/-5%. Favor Corsair TX series and of course my personal favorite (costs just like hell) Be-Quiet for style.

Offtopic though while reason:
Honestly, I think there's misunderstanding even on 5970 as an 5870x2 card. The clocks match for 5850x2 card and I think it's exactly that. Don't see any reason why they would clock down as these ones clocks very very well.

20mmrain · 11-08-2009, 04:33 AM

Bro they have really good deals on Corsair 750tx's all over the place. I would definitely invest in a better power supply. Sometimes you might get lucky with the lower cheaper brands but think of it like this...... Would you put a time bomb in your case with all of your nice expensive hardware????? That's kind of what your doing when you go cheap on your PSU.
With that said go for Corsair, Antec, OCZ, brands like that and do research before you buy. I would also say you want a single rail at least 60AMPS

musek · 11-08-2009, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by l33tGaMeR

How bout this? (Price is in Australian Dollars Im an Aussie)

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...oducts_id=7008

The PSU looks sweet mate. +12V lines up to 840W @ 70A is very. very nice. My only concern is noise level. Single 80mm fan can be a little loud when PSU will get decent load on it.

I'd go for one of those:
Enermax
Corsair
Seasonic

l33tGaMeR · 11-08-2009, 09:59 AM

Na Im not worried about noise. I have a 5.1 Headset and 5.1 speakers XD

Zubasa · 11-08-2009, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musek

The PSU looks sweet mate. +12V lines up to 840W @ 70A is very. very nice. My only concern is noise level. Single 80mm fan can be a little loud when PSU will get decent load on it.

I'd go for one of those:
Enermax
Corsair
Seasonic

That Antec shouldn't be loud, a good PSU stay reasonablely cool even under full load.

Bo$$ · 11-08-2009, 10:22 AM

my Cheiftec A135 850W is very good, 80+, 2X20A 2X30A 12V rails
http://www.chieftec.com/APS135.html

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Memory:	G.Skill CL4-8GB
Video Card:	ATI/Geforce 5850/9800
Harddisk:	A-lot
CD/DVD Drive:	OPTArc 22x DVDRW
CRT/LCD Model:	BenQ G2400WT
Case:	900
Sound Card:	Shitty ASUS FX;P
PSU:	OCZ GXS 850W
Software:	-
Benchmarks:	too many machines to spec

11-08-2009, 04:33 AM	#21
20mmrain Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin Posts: 201 (4.15/day) Thanks: 17 Thanked 12 Times in 12 Posts System Specs	Bro they have really good deals on Corsair 750tx's all over the place. I would definitely invest in a better power supply. Sometimes you might get lucky with the lower cheaper brands but think of it like this...... Would you put a time bomb in your case with all of your nice expensive hardware????? That's kind of what your doing when you go cheap on your PSU. With that said go for Corsair, Antec, OCZ, brands like that and do research before you buy. I would also say you want a single rail at least 60AMPS

System Name:	My Gaming System
Processor:	Intel Q9550@3.4 (Prime95) Stable
Motherboard:	Gigabyte EP45-UD3R
Cooling:	CM Hyper 212 Plus
Memory:	G.Skill 4 gigs 800MHZ 1:1 Ratio w/O.C.
Video Card:	Diamond ATI HD 5870
Harddisk:	Western Digital 500Gig 7200RPM 32MB cache Black-Western Digital 320Gig 7200RPM 18MB cache
CD/DVD Drive:	LG Lite Scribe CD/DVD Burner
CRT/LCD Model:	Acer 20" LCD X203W
Case:	Cooler Master Storm Sniper - Black edition
Sound Card:	Onboard
PSU:	Corsair 750watt PSU
Software:	Vista Home basic/Ubuntu Linux Duel Boot
Benchmarks:	3D vantage Highest to Lowest.... P16846 P16417 P16177 P16088 Haven't Benched yet with 5870.

11-08-2009, 09:59 AM	#23
l33tGaMeR Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Standing Right Behind You Posts: 295 (0.56/day) Thanks: 76 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts System Specs	Na Im not worried about noise. I have a 5.1 Headset and 5.1 speakers XD __________________ One Day Satan Entered Heaven And God Was Like "OMFG WALLHAX!!!" A gamer backs themselves with the best...

11-08-2009, 10:22 AM	#25
Bo$$ Join Date: May 2009 Location: London, UK Posts: 272 (1.36/day) Thanks: 5 Thanked 20 Times in 20 Posts System Specs	my Cheiftec A135 850W is very good, 80+, 2X20A 2X30A 12V rails http://www.chieftec.com/APS135.html __________________ A thanks here and there won't hurt, it's free!

System Name:	BO$$
Processor:	Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.0GHZ
Motherboard:	XFX 750i Extreme Edition
Cooling:	Akasa 965
Memory:	Patriot 4GB 677 @800MHZ 2.1V
Video Card:	XFX 9800gt 700/1730/1000 Waiting for second for SLI
Harddisk:	250GB Barracuda 80GB Barracuda 320 Barracuda
CD/DVD Drive:	22x LG DVD +/-RW/W
CRT/LCD Model:	LG Flatron W2243S
Case:	NZXT M59
Sound Card:	Realtec ALC888S
PSU:	Cheiftec A135 850W
Software:	Windows XP SP3
Benchmarks:	none Yet!

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