Koolance?

[Munki]

How do you feel about his brand for water cooling purposes? I have never used liquid cooling but my new rig is going to be built with overclocking in mind. I looked into swiftech, and some of the reviews that contained the words "leaking" and "Bricked Video Card" kinda scare me. Could anyone give me any general tips on water cooling in general? Any help/tip would be helpful. Thanks.

[Assassin48]

i have a koolance block on my 4870x2 and i must say its really nice

more brands
Danger Den
Bitspower

[MRCL]

Got two Koolance CPU blocks, altho they haven't been in use yet. They make a very good impression tho. Also, they fit on almost ANY socket, including socket F

Tips in general? Don't let the water drip on anything

[Munki]

I will save the trouble and tell you my intentions. I have a Cooler Master Stacker 830 Evo. and Im looking to Water cool EVERYTHING from my CPU to my HDD's to my GPU. Im starting big with this project. Just hope to god I don't let some water go flying on my components. How reasonable is Koolance price wish compared to some of its rivals?


Oh and my motherboard is a Asus Crosshair III Formula (AM3)

[Assassin48]

Same case as me

Hmm that will be an interesting project for sure

I buy my stuff from
http://www.Frozencpu.com
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php

[MRCL]

Well if you cool EVERYTHING, you must first study EVERYTHING. And imagine the layout of the loop. I advise to make seperate loops. One for CPU, one for GPUs, one for Chipset and HDDs, and one for PSU, and one for your forehead because you will boil of joy. Now, this will add a lot of tubes, radiators, pumps etc in that case, SO you can combine.

You can put the CPU and GPU in the same loop, I have it setup like that, too (two 4890s and one overlocked q6600). Mind you, in summertime, temps will rise. Chipset and HDDs in the same loop shouldn't be a problem, too, but be careful, or you'll heat up the HDDs instead of cooling them. Actually, watercooling HDDs ist just for shits n giggles, as their ideal operating temperature is somewhere around 40 degrees celsius. They don't like it super hot, and they don't like it chilly.

As for radiators, I have a triple rad in the CPU/GPU loop, and an additional single rad sandwiched after the GPUs and before the CPU. that way, the CPU won't get that much of a hot stream.

And this is what I mean by imagining your loop and lay it out on paper first. Also take into considertation where you mount what and how the tubing should run.

And Koolance blocks are reasonably priced.

[Munki]

Hmm. I may bail on the hdds then. They dont run very warm anyways, not to mention the fact that I cant overclock it. Seems like shits and giggles with money i dont have. Well considering my case has two Exit/Entrance holes in the back of it, maybe I could mount my radiator back there? So if Im cooling say everything except my Hard drives. Im going to need multiple pumps and rads?

[Assassin48]

Originally Posted by Munki

Hmm. I may bail on the hdds then. They dont run very warm anyways, not to mention the fact that I cant overclock it. Seems like shits and giggles with money i dont have. Well considering my case has two Exit/Entrance holes in the back of it, maybe I could mount my radiator back there? So if Im cooling say everything except my Hard drives. Im going to need multiple pumps and rads?

The way i have mine is a 3x 120 at the bottom and a 120 on the back

You can probably get away with a 4x 120 at the bottom of the case

I flipped my mobo tray so the cpu is at the bottom and the gpu is at the top, this makes it so people can see my koolance water block

[Munki]

The more I think about this, the more i think id like to start small. Like just Chipset, CPU, and GPU. RAM Maybe too. Ive looked at some all in one kits, and they look like crap honestly. I just dont know the basics to how many lines I can run with one res. and one pump and so on and so fourth.

[Assassin48]

start with 1 loop

Res -4x 120rad - cpu - 120rad - gpu - res

[MRCL]

Originally Posted by Assassin48

start with 1 loop

Res -4x 120rad - cpu - 120rad - gpu - res

Yes, thats a good start. You can always expand from there. But if you have never done a water loop, its best not to overdo thigns at first. I also first only cooled my CPU, then added the GPUs.

[Munki]

Originally Posted by Assassin48

start with 1 loop

Res -4x 120rad - cpu - 120rad - gpu - res

From this I can make out that I need 1 resivior, 2 Radiators (1 4x120 and a 120), CPU and GPU water blocks. Am I following you?

[MRCL]

Don't forget the pump A good one will easily handle that, like a Swiftech 355 or so. You can also put a reservoir on top of those, saved space and tubing.

Swifty pump: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835108097
Additional fitting XSPC Laing Top: http://www.aquatuning.co.uk/product_...pling-kit.html

[Munki]

That would have been bad, haha. Ordered everything got ready to put it together and realize im going to be one end of this hose blowing. hahaha

Do you two mind looking at some links I will edit into this post and tell me if it would work?

[Assassin48]

Yea i forgot the pump, tubing, fittings

Dont get colored coolant just get the colored tubing and use distilled water Less gunk in the water block

[Munki]

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/72...0c97s168#blank

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/69...g_-_12_ID.html


http://www.frozencpu.com/products/78...0c95s667#blank


http://www.frozencpu.com/products/66...tl=g30c107s155



http://www.frozencpu.com/products/67...c325s842#blank


http://www.frozencpu.com/products/97...309s1049#blank


http://www.frozencpu.com/products/70...tl=g30c103s753

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/53...c289s721#blank

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/86...0c99s172#blank


Do I need 2 rads?

[Assassin48]

Originally Posted by Munki

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/72...0c97s168#blank

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/69...g_-_12_ID.html


http://www.frozencpu.com/products/78...0c95s667#blank


http://www.frozencpu.com/products/66...tl=g30c107s155



http://www.frozencpu.com/products/67...c325s842#blank


http://www.frozencpu.com/products/97...309s1049#blank


http://www.frozencpu.com/products/70...tl=g30c103s753

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/53...c289s721#blank

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/86...0c99s172#blank


Do I need 2 rads?

my parts
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...oducts_id=4508

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/94...?tl=g30c95s570

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=25700

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/94...?tl=g30c95s159

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/97...l=g30c309s1049

i left out some things since those will be preference

i chose that res as my first one too lol , its still in my closet since i moved to a Tubular Res

[MRCL]

Originally Posted by Assassin48

my parts
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...oducts_id=4508

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/94...?tl=g30c95s570

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=25700

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/94...?tl=g30c95s159

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/97...l=g30c309s1049

i left out some things since those will be preference

i chose that res as my first one too lol , its still in my closet since i moved to a Tubular Res

Hmmh good parts. I'd choose the Heatkiller over that Nexus thing anyday. Also, BlackIce rads are very good. So are the Ek GPU blocks, and they are very easy to mount, even if you have never done it before.

[Assassin48]

as for the 2 rads you can do the 4x 120 and be ok

i just have it so the heat coming from the cpu gets dissipated a little before hitting the gpu

ill leave the fans up to you also since i dont know if color matters to you

[Munki]

Im going to assume that there is some sort of physics involed in judging heat, and how many rads id need for this or that. Is there some standard somewhere I can read, or is it something you can judge overtime through just common sense?

[MRCL]

Originally Posted by Munki

Im going to assume that there is some sort of physics involed in judging heat, and how many rads id need for this or that. Is there some standard somewhere I can read, or is it something you can judge overtime through just common sense?

Oh yes, physics. Its needed. Umm, you can judge it, yes, you can also calculate it...

The more components in one loop, the bigger the rad should be. You wouldn't cool a heavily overclocked i7 and triSLI with a dual rad. A dual or triple even for the CPU, if the GPU is in the same loop, maybe another single or dual rad. You also have to consider the flow restricitons.

[Munki]

Originally Posted by MRCL

Oh yes, physics. Its needed. Umm, you can judge it, yes, you can also calculate it...

The more components in one loop, the bigger the rad should be. You wouldn't cool a heavily overclocked i7 and triSLI with a dual rad. A dual or triple even for the CPU, if the GPU is in the same loop, maybe another single or dual rad. You also have to consider the flow restricitons.

I think I will understand a little better when i see it in my rig. I have all the book sense in the world, but if I try to imagine...oh boy, BOOM!


That Rad I had up in the earlier post, it was a quad 120? How efficently would that cool my 5870 and phenom II x4 965?

[MRCL]

That rad should do very good. A quad rad is enough for cooling a GPU and a CPU. However, it does make sense to sandwich a single rad inbetween the two. Imagine: The nice, cold water gets heated up by the GPU, and the poor CPU only gets warm water... or vice versa.

Mind you, Thermochill rads often don't line up with preinstalled holes in the case. You'll have to check specifically if it will fit.

[Munki]

Originally Posted by MRCL

That rad should do very good. A quad rad is enough for cooling a GPU and a CPU. However, it does make sense to sandwich a single rad inbetween the two. Imagine: The nice, cold water gets heated up by the GPU, and the poor CPU only gets warm water... or vice versa.

Mind you, Thermochill rads often don't line up with preinstalled holes in the case. You'll have to check specifically if it will fit.

That post just made the most sense to me then anything today. Ive been up for 27 hours straight, running off some college coffee called a "Crackacino" These things should be outlawed. Im looking into getting Binge's pump and res he has for sale if he still has them next friday.



omg omg omg omg....so I could have that quad mounted on the outside of the case (back) and have a singe 120/140 mounted inbetween each componettt?

[MRCL]

Originally Posted by Munki

That post just made the most sense to me then anything today. Ive been up for 27 hours straight, running off some college coffee called a "Crackacino" These things should be outlawed. Im looking into getting Binge's pump and res he has for sale if he still has them next friday.



omg omg omg omg....so I could have that quad mounted on the outside of the case (back) and have a singe 120/140 mounted inbetween each componettt?

Binge is a good man, I learned a lot about liquid cooling from him.

Yeh maybe Pump - GPU - single rad - CPU - quad rad - res - pump. It does have the disadvantage of flow restriction.