Good/Cheap Nvidia card for Physx on Ati system.

mab1376 · Nov 18, 2009, 07:01 AM

Any recommendations, cheapest is best.

shevanel · Nov 18, 2009, 07:12 AM

budget?

I'd say somewhere along the lines of a 9800gt/x+

mab1376 · Nov 18, 2009, 07:16 AM

I'm looking to spend at most $100 also im interested to know where the curve of GPU power meets the actual benefits.

Papahyooie · Nov 18, 2009, 07:55 AM

9800gtx for physx? thats way overkill. I saw a great improvement in physx games just by dropping in my old and crappy 8500gt, and it also ran the simulations flawlessly. Get something cheap.

shevanel · Nov 18, 2009, 07:57 AM

i ran a 8600gt alongside and gtx275 and it made things bad.

Kenshai · Nov 18, 2009, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shevanel

i ran a 8600gt alongside and gtx275 and it made things bad.

Because a GTX275 will process the physx.....

shevanel · Nov 18, 2009, 08:10 AM

so youre saying if that gtx275 was replaced with a 4890 and the 8600gt was set as dedicated physx then I would have ran flawlesS??

come on......

you need at least a 8800gt/9600gt imo.. 9800 at most.

problem i ran into with my 8600 was bec. 256mb only + 128bit ddr2 ..

my statement you qouted was to state that an 8600gt could not handle being set to "enable physx processing" as a standalone dedicated physc card.. regardless if the gtx275 was good enough or not.

i'd get a 9800gt. that way if you ever decide to sell your main gpu, it dies or you need to rma for whatever reason, youll have the 9800 to keep you busy in the meantime.. plus it'll handle physx without issues ymmv

sorry for grammar, getting late.

puma99dk| · Nov 18, 2009, 08:26 AM

their most be a reason why EVGA made a Nvidia card with GTX275 and GTS250 on one board...

so you can use GTS250 gpu together with 384mb GDDR3 memory for physx, but maybe that mean in the future physx will use more power in the future when games become more and more detailed or what?

shevanel · Nov 18, 2009, 08:28 AM

and what is a gts250 compared to???

Zubasa · Nov 18, 2009, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puma99dk|

their most be a reason why EVGA made a Nvidia card with GTX275 and GTS250 on one board...

so you can use GTS250 gpu together with 384mb GDDR3 memory for physx, but maybe that mean in the future physx will use more power in the future when games become more and more detailed or what?

This is solely because EVGA need to get rid of its G92bs and GT200Bs.

puma99dk| · Nov 18, 2009, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shevanel

and what is a gts250 compared to???

it should be compared to 9800GTX/+ ino that, but in some tests 9800GTX+ is faster but the GTS250 should use lower voltage if you get a powersave edition...

it's just all that talk about a 8600gt i think there most be a reason to but GTS250 GPU and GTX275 GPU on the same board not just to get rid of all the GTS250 GPUs... >_>

newtekie1 · Nov 18, 2009, 02:04 PM

I use an eVGA 9600GT Low Power card, handled Batman:AA on high PhysX without issue paired with my GTX285. And no Kenshai, the GTX285 is not handling the PhysX, the 9600GT is, and there was definitely a drastic improvement when I added the 9600GT. With just the GTX285, the PhysX has to be lowered to normal to get stutter free gameplay, when I added the 9600GT I would raise the PhysX to high and still get better framerates.

I'd say a 9600GT is a minimum. Batman:AA actually recommends a 9800GTX/GTS250 for the high PhysX setting, but my 9600GT seems to handle it fine. And remember, nVidia just recently added the requirement of the card to have 32 Shaders minimum to handle PhysX, so an 8500GT wouldn't even qualify anymore.

If you can find someone selling one of the good 9600GSOs, that might be your best bet. They go for extremely cheap usually, and are great PhysX cards thanks to their 96 shaders.

wolf · Nov 18, 2009, 03:35 PM

I use a 9800GT OC and oc the shaders only a bit more, something like 1850mhz, runs physx smick as.

Zubasa · Nov 18, 2009, 04:05 PM

I think those cheap 9600GSOs with 96 shaders but 8 ROPs is the best choice.

overclocking101 · Nov 18, 2009, 04:08 PM

I run an 8800gt myself physx runs flawless. but finding the driver hack was a nightmare!

Jeffredo · Nov 18, 2009, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by overclocking101

I run an 8800gt myself physx runs flawless. but finding the driver hack was a nightmare!

That's what I understood (disabled on systems where the ATI card is installed).

wolf · Nov 18, 2009, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by overclocking101

I run an 8800gt myself physx runs flawless. but finding the driver hack was a nightmare!

I got it if anyone wants it, only a PM away

joinmeindeath417 · Nov 18, 2009, 05:29 PM

i used a 8800gts just to see the difference of 3dmark vantage, and the CPU score doubled hah..

Xazax · Nov 18, 2009, 05:56 PM

9600GSO 96 shader, or the newly released GT 240 would be great for PhysX

[I.R.A]_FBi · Nov 18, 2009, 06:00 PM

Low wattage/green 8600gt or 9800gt

shevanel · Nov 18, 2009, 06:01 PM

just make sure your 8600gt has 512mb am i riight?

My 256mb 8600gt does not do well for dedicated physx.. it just ran slow and redick. and just slowed down the gtx 275

ERazer · Nov 18, 2009, 06:19 PM

got 8600gts 256mb runs fine with me

shevanel · Nov 18, 2009, 06:24 PM

well maybe it was the 780i sli i had..

ill try it again soon with 9800gt+8600gt n see what happens on gig ex58 ud3r

VulkanBros · Nov 18, 2009, 06:41 PM

I ran gtx285 for PhysX with my 4890.....a bit of an overkill....but had to try

shevanel · Nov 20, 2009, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ERazer

got 8600gts 256mb runs fine with me

ok i have the 8600gt set to physx in nvcp.. and 9800gt is default i suppose.

using fluidmark physx benchmark

Without the 8600gt set to physx

With the 8600gt set to physx

Don't know how relevant it would be to real world gaming, but in this bench, a 8600gt helps improve the score i suppose.

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shevanel Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Leesburg, FL Posts: 3,151 (2.26/day) Thanks: 1,515 Thanked 410 Times in 338 Posts System Specs	well maybe it was the 780i sli i had.. ill try it again soon with 9800gt+8600gt n see what happens on gig ex58 ud3r __________________ Stop comparing it to onboard! Compare it to something it falls short to so that we can really understand. HEAT

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