Better ASRock X58 Supercomputer or waiting for the new Amd chipset?

[Aleksander]

Hi
I dont know what to do guys, i cant really wait that much.
I even have the worst computer in this forum i think.
Pls guide me what to do
Help would be greatly appreciated!

[TheLaughingMan]

Why are you wanting for the new chipset? The 800 series will just add support for SATA 3.0 (6 Gbps), improved IGP's, and USB 3.0 support. Many of these are nice, but will not be the norm for at least a year and half. And if you do decide to move into USB 3.0, they may PCIe expansion cards for them. You will not use, nor need SATA 3.0 unless you are buying a brand new SSD mid-year of 2010.

And you do not have the worst computer on the forum, trust me.

If you want to build a new computer, and you are due for an major overhaul, I say go for it now. AMD or Intel, that preference is up to you. Both are great. Each has their pros and cons, but that is life.

[Aleksander]

Thank you for the reply, it was great.
Just one last think.... it will support the bulldozer processor
I am an engineer and i have enough money to buy a brand new computer, it is just that i want to spend money on a motherboard who can keep up with the future technology, or better saying future-proof. Only the motherboard matters for me, at least for now.

[3volvedcombat]

anything x58 is going to be future proof with the new i9 6 core 12 threaded beast thats going to be launched for enthusiast? Its going to be fast.

[Aleksander]

Maybe u call future intel which has 200$ pricier processors than amd. (or more like 975 :S)
Anyway i think it would be better to wait with this stupid computer and when the time comes i will bulldoze intel with my computer DDD

[Binge]

Originally Posted by Aleksander Dishnica

Maybe u call future intel which has 200$ pricier processors than amd. (or more like 975 :S)
Anyway i think it would be better to wait with this stupid computer and when the time comes i will bulldoze intel with my computer DDD

I suggest you read more about bulldozer.

[Aleksander]

Bulldozer is the codename AMD has given to one of the next-generation CPU cores after the K10 microarchitecture for the company's M-SPACE design methodology, with the core specifically aimed at 10 watt to 100 watt TDP computing products. Bulldozer is a completely new design developed from the ground up. AMD claims dramatic performance-per-watt improvements in HPC applications with Bulldozer cores. [1] Products implementing the Bulldozer core are planned for release in 2011. [2]

The Bulldozer cores will support most of the instruction sets currently implemented in Intel processors (including SSE4.1, SSE4.2) future Instruction sets announced by Intel (AES, PCLMULQDQ and AVX), as well as future instruction sets proposed by AMD (XOP, FMA4 and perhaps CVT16)[3] [4].

As of November 2009, Bulldozer-based implementations built on 32 nm are scheduled to arrive in 2011 for both servers and desktops, as the 16-core Opteron processor codenamed Interlagos and as the 4 or 8-core desktop processor codenamed Zambezi. [5]

The design of Bulldozer is heavily revamped from the previous generation. With Bulldozer, the two 128-bit FMA-capable FPUs can be combined into one 256-bit FPU. This design is accompanied with two integer cores each with 4 pipelines, the fetch/decode stage is shared. AMD names this design as a "Bulldozer module". A 16-core processor design would feature eight of these modules.[6] But the operating system will see each module as 2 physical cores.
What to read now?

[Aleksander]

AMD CPU strategy for 2009
By Hilbert Hagedoorn, July 28, 2007 - 1:23 PM


At AMD's financial analysts' meeting today, the company laid down details for some of its previously shrouded processors, particularly those in future mobile platforms.


The first of these is a product codenamed "Falcon," a part of the Fusion line, which will be a quad-core chipset using a core nicknamed "Bulldozer." Notably, it is already being touted as compatible with DirectX 10 and 11, the latter not having been exposed to the public. Performance processors will come mainly in the form Phenom, with 2007 seeing the launch of 65nm chips and 2008 receving 45nm technology. 2007 will also witness the debut of dual- and quad-core Spider systems, with 2MB of L3 cache, while 2008 alone will have Hardcastle, a 45nm CPU with 6MB of L3.
AMD plans to launch its third-generation Opteron platform in 2009 with the Sandtiger octal-core processor. Beneath Sandtiger is AMD’s M-SPACE modular approach towards CPUs. M-SPACE allows AMD to mix and match CPU features for specific tasks.

The definition for M-SPACE is as follows:

* Modular: Reconfigurable “building blocks” for design speed/agility
* Scalable: Linear scaling of multi and single-thread performance
* Portable: Energy-efficiency for increased mobility/portability
* Accessible: Ongoing commitment to open innovation
* Compatible: Backward compatibility and ease of upgrade
* Efficient: Optimal on-chip and system level I/O efficiency

Sandtiger’s eight cores consist of eight AMD Bulldozers. Bulldozer is the name AMD has given to one of the CPU cores for its M-SPACE architecture. AMD claims dramatic performance-per-watt improvements in HPC applications with Bulldozer cores. Unlike Barcelona and Shanghai, which have evolved from AMD’s K8 architecture, Bulldozer is a completely new design developed from the ground up.

AMD installs eight Bulldozer CPU cores in Sandtiger with a memory control. AMD optimizes the design for servers and raises the performance-per-watt bar for single and multithreaded applications, according to AMD.

The modular M-SPACE technology also finds its way into Fusion. AMD plans to mix and match M-SPACE components for Falcon, a Fusion processor optimized for mobile and mainstream desktops. Falcon forms the basis of AMD’s planned Copperhead mainstream desktop platform. Falcon features four Bulldozer CPU cores with an integrated graphics processor. The integrated graphics processor features DirectX 10, possibly 11, support with AMD’s Universal Video Decoder, or UVD, technology. Falcon also features integrated PCIe.

In addition to Bulldozer, AMD has the Bobcat CPU core for Fusion processors designed for mobile, ultra-mobile and consumer electronics applications. Bobcat is also a completely new design and has greater power scaling capabilities. Bobcat-based processor designs can consume as low as one watt of power. AMD has not announced any details of Bobcat-powered Fusion processors yet.

Expect AMD to introduce Fusion designs based on Bulldozer and Bobcat beginning in 2009.

[Binge]

Thanks for copy and pasting. Don't forget to include sources. Maybe you want to start a bulldozer discussion thread?

[smee]

I have the Asrock X58 Extreme and an i7 920 D0 with 6GB DDR3 Diablo RAM and a GTX260.
This should be plenty future proof as I can always upgrade the CPU to the newer i9 procs, get more RAM (12GB anyone? xD) and either add another video card or upgrade to newer ones.

As every time something new comes out, it's only a month (even only weeks) until something New is announced.
Don't wait, because it's not going to be any different than buying something thats already out.

My two cents,
-smee

[TheLaughingMan]

I question and 1 point.

What do you use your computer for?

And the Bulldozer socket type has those far, not been confirmed; however, AMD has stated on several occasions they intended for the AM3 socket to be used for next 4 to 8 years. While the processor is going to built from scratch, I doubt they change the socket type for the chip. Any AM3 board should be comparable with Bulldozer if AMD sticks to form.

I just don't trust Intel, but I doubt they make any more socket changes in the next few years either. I honestly believe any system built now, using the newest socket types and chipsets will last a user at least the next 2 to 3 years. Gamers may update their GPU in a year and half or so, but I doubt it will be a required upgrade.

[aCid888*]

Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

I honestly believe any system built now, using the newest socket types and chipsets will last a user at least the next 2 to 3 years. Gamers may update their GPU in a year and half or so, but I doubt it will be a required upgrade.

The most useful thing said so far in my view.



No matter what you decide on; AMD or Intel, so long as you go with the newest tech from either camp you will be set for a few years if your spending $800 - $1000 on a new build.

[TeXBill]

I to have the Asrock Extreme motherboard with 12gigs of Gskill Trident memory, a core i7 960 DO, and 2 XFX GTX285's in SLI and it will play any game or run any software out there. I know it will last for a couple of years if anything in the future that I would need to do to it will be a GPU upgrade.

Why wait for something 6 or 8 months when you can buy it now and whatever you get will play any games or software you need it to now and future stuff (games or software) as well......

[LAN_deRf_HA]

I buy shit to last. If the MB doesn't have Sata 6 or USB 3.0 it's not worth spending more than $100. Same with cards... who wants to fork over $200 for a card without DX11 at this point. Just a waste, if you spend money spend it right.

[TheLaughingMan]

Originally Posted by LAN_deRf_HA

I buy shit to last. If the MB doesn't have Sata 6 or USB 3.0 it's not worth spending more than $100. Same with cards... who wants to fork over $200 for a card without DX11 at this point. Just a waste, if you spend money spend it right.

SATA 6, no HDD or SSD on the market will fully saturate a SATA 3 bus, so the extra bus means nothing. In a few months, some of the new SSD's will begin using the new bus more, but no one will be able to afford it.

USB 3.0 = $12 add on card to any current motherboard. Just in time for those 2 thumb drives that use the tech right now. USB 3.0 will not be the norm til the end of next year and even then it will be a few select items that will actually benefit from it like an external hard drive, thumb drives, and digital cameras. No mouse, keyboard, or printer will need the bandwidth it boasts. It is just bragging rights for at least a year.

DX11 is the future and will be more so next year as well. Those games will still run in DX10 and look great. A good DX10 card will work just fine for a while.

[TeXBill]

SATA 6, no HDD or SSD on the market will fully saturate a SATA 3 bus, so the extra bus means nothing. In a few months, some of the new SSD's will begin using the new bus more, but no one will be able to afford it.

USB 3.0 = $12 add on card to any current motherboard. Just in time for those 2 thumb drives that use the tech right now. USB 3.0 will not be the norm til the end of next year and even then it will be a few select items that will actually benefit from it like an external hard drive, thumb drives, and digital cameras. No mouse, keyboard, or printer will need the bandwidth it boasts. It is just bragging rights for at least a year.

DX11 is the future and will be more so next year as well. Those games will still run in DX10 and look great. A good DX10 card will work just fine for a while.

+1 I totally agree....

[Aleksander]

I need the computer not for games, anyway i know i can play every new game even with my 7600 gs and it is really amazing (except GTA 4 because of the 1Gb ram)
I am absolutely amazed from the performance of 7600gs because i thought it would be not that good to open and play every game like assasins creed or bioshock. There is an amazing fact that when i used a x64 version of windows i played call of duty 4 with ultra high settings. I think i am going to buy 3 Nvidia cheap quadros and use them for graphical interface of the earth. I study geo informatics so i really need powerful GPUs exactly as quadros. Anyway they cost a lot of money, but till then i should have made enough money from my job. Now i dont have that much to buy the quadros and the techlnology should be cheaper in July. Even the quadros are not sold in my country.... for now