2 X Seagate 1.5TB Should I Riad 0 Or Not ?

DOM · Mar 4, 2010, 03:20 PM

Im thinking of Raiding 2 of my Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 1.5TB

Only thing that worries me is that Raid 0 will make one die. I never used raid at all so idk if raid will affect the life span ?

I know its going to be more speed but is it worth it ?

newtekie1 · Mar 4, 2010, 03:22 PM

RAID doesn't make the hard drives die, it doesn't affect the life span of the drives in a negative way.

RAID0 doubles the chance of loosing all your data though, because if one drive does fail, all the data is gone.

tigger · Mar 4, 2010, 03:25 PM

Like i suggested bud,raid 0 two of em,and use the third for backup in case of trouble.

Perra · Mar 4, 2010, 03:28 PM

Would not want to lose 3tb worth of data in one go, and what exactly will you have on them that requires the performance you get from raid 0? they feel more like storage-disks than systemdisks to me.

TIGR · Mar 4, 2010, 03:30 PM

newtekie hit it right on.

You've got a great motherboard, in more ways than one—but what particularly catches my eye for your case is that it supports Matrix RAID. So take advantage of it! You can have both RAID 0 and RAID 1 with Matrix RAID, all on the same two drives. Make a RAID 0 array for everything you want faster access to and which wouldn't be a big deal to lose if one of the drives failed. Then make a RAID 1 array and store everything you can't afford to lose on it. Then if one drive fails, you will have lost the unimportant stuff but the data you put on the RAID 1 array is safe.

tigger · Mar 4, 2010, 03:33 PM

Aye thats the way to do it,i forgot about matrix raid

JATownes · Mar 4, 2010, 03:34 PM

I just set-up my first RAID array with 2 500GB Seagate 7200.12 and I can tell you that the speed increase is dramatic IMO. I say go for it. But the Matrix RAID sounds like pure WIN!

DOM · Mar 4, 2010, 03:35 PM

I have 3 X 1.5TB ones for storage and has 1tb on it already so the other two can be in raid 0 for the performance but can it be un-done after its been raid or it will losse everything ?

whats matrix raid ? is it the same as setting up raid in the bios ?

newtekie1 · Mar 4, 2010, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOM

I have 3 X 1.5TB ones for storage and has 1tb on it already so the other two can be in raid 0 for the performance but can it be un-done after its been raid or it will losse everything ?

whats matrix raid ? is it the same as setting up raid in the bios ?

It can not be un-done without loosing everything.

If you have 3, I would have gone RAID5.

Perra · Mar 4, 2010, 03:55 PM

Matrix RAID would definately be the way to go, just raid 0 the system, apps and games, and raid 1 everything important. Best of both worlds

Or, well, RAID 0 + 1 would be the best choice but then you'd need one more disk

As for your other question, you can't undo RAID without losing everything on the disk.

Ah, forgot about RAID 5, that would be better than 0+1

[I.R.A]_FBi · Mar 4, 2010, 03:57 PM

Intel raid matrix is a choice for you?

TIGR · Mar 4, 2010, 04:01 PM

Agreed on the replies you've gotten above, DOM. RAID 0 for fast access and RAID 5 (across all three drives) would be a great choice for you if you can manage it. But yes, you'd lose all the data going between RAID and non-RAID.

So here's what I recommend, if you can: find a friend with a lot of hard drive space, back everything up to said friend's drive(s), and then create your RAID array(s). If you need to undo it later, beg the friend's help again and offer many cookies in return. It sucks that you lose the versatility of being able to pull out any single drive and use it independently, but it would also suck to have three identical drives, Matrix RAID capability, and not be able to utilize it.

Edit to add: after setting SATA mode to RAID in the BIOS setup, you can hit F10, save changes, reboot, and then after the POST, you'll have a few seconds to hit Control+I to enter the RAID configuration menu. Once you're in there, you can set up your RAID arrays and believe it or not, it's completely self-explanatory once you're in there. Very simple to do.

DOM · Mar 4, 2010, 05:16 PM

I can do RAID 5 but I dont have another HD to save the 1.1TB thats one so thats why i wanted to do RAID 0

idk what friends are lol

but the ppl i know know nothing about computers but i can get one from bestbuy then take it back when im done

DirectorC · Mar 4, 2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by newtekie1

RAID0... doesn't affect the life span of the drives.

RAID0 splits normal drive operations between the drives, so they actually do LESS work meaning they should die later rather than sooner.

DOM · Mar 4, 2010, 05:26 PM

it does have Intel Matrix Storage Manager

newtekie1 · Mar 4, 2010, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirectorC

RAID0 splits normal drive operations between the drives, so they actually do LESS work meaning they should die later rather than sooner.

Reworded for accuracy, thanks for pointing that out.

DOM · Mar 7, 2010, 04:50 PM

Does this look right ? I did RAID0 but had to make to volumes cuz it wouldnt install W7

I made them 1397.2GB each same as they would of been if they weren't in RAID

Only way i got it to work

Jizzler · Mar 7, 2010, 05:58 PM

Yup, MBR max = 2TB.

If you need more storage in the future, you'll able to use GPT and create larger arrays without the need for partitioning.

DanTheBanjoman · Mar 7, 2010, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jizzler

Yup, MBR max = 2TB.

If you need more storage in the future, you'll able to use GPT and create larger arrays without the need for partitioning.

But you can't boot from GPT if you're using a BIOS, which most of us still do.

DirectorC · Mar 7, 2010, 06:46 PM

Couldn't he make two RAID0 arrays each using half the drives' spaces (or maybe go 40/60)?

Jizzler · Mar 7, 2010, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanTheBanjoman

But you can't boot from GPT if you're using a BIOS, which most of us still do.

If you need more storage in the future, you'll able to use GPT and create larger arrays without the need for partitioning.

To clarify what I meant, if he adds more drives in same system.

DOM · Mar 8, 2010, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirectorC

Couldn't he make two RAID0 arrays each using half the drives' spaces (or maybe go 40/60)?

i tryed making one of 2tb even 1999GB didnt wanna work so i did it like if they where single drives and it worked

DirectorC · Mar 8, 2010, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOM

i tryed making one of 2tb even 1999GB didnt wanna work so i did it like if they where single drives and it worked

Why do you need a partition so big though? How about a couple of 500 or even 250 GB chunks of each drive in RAID0 just for your OS apps & games? RAID0 will give you a system, app and map load speed that you can feel.

DOM · Mar 8, 2010, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirectorC

Why do you need a partition so big though? How about a couple of 500 or even 250 GB chunks of each drive in RAID0 just for your OS apps & games? RAID0 will give you a system, app and map load speed that you can feel.

thats raid, i partition 50gb just for the OS during install and going to make some more for like apps, games etc

would it make a diffreance if i make smaller RAID0 ?

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DirectorC Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florizy Posts: 1,597 (1.21/day) Thanks: 90 Thanked 269 Times in 248 Posts System Specs	Couldn't he make two RAID0 arrays each using half the drives' spaces (or maybe go 40/60)?

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