Dx10/11 Enabled Games-dissapointing?

[Tatty_One]

I happened upon an old link to Wikipedia and was amazed to find that in the years since the advent of the G80 8800 Series of DX10 enabled hardware, only 55 DX10 games to date have been released........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ctX_10_support

I don't know if this is accurate but it is still regularily updated as you can see at the foot of the page. Now I can only guess that several hundred games must have been released in the last 3 years, presumably the vast majority of which must have only had DX9 support.

I know that the subject of DX11 supported games has cropped up before, and most seem optimistic that it will receive better support from developers than DX10 did, however I still find it a little worrying that some 9 odd months since the release of the first DX11 enabled hardware, there appears to be not a great deal of games predicted, this just continues to have the DX10 feel of 3 years ago...... I just hope I am wrong, as we stand, too many people with DX11 hardware will be buying DX11 supported games just to experience the technology rather than the gameplay IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ctX_11_support

i agree with your point.

We won't see many DX11 games, until the next-gen consoles get DX11.

[cyriene]

When consoles support DX10 or DX11 we will see it used more in PC games. Sad but true.

[phanbuey]

+2 thank consoles! This is the first time, in a long time... when I look at the new DX11 hardware... and then I look at my old GT200 and think : "wow I just cant justify spending that money... I really don't need it :| since most things are ports anyways"

Good for wallet... bad for DX11

[Fourstaff]

Still too few people are using DX11 hardware, we will need about 2 more years before telling whether DX11 is a hit or not. But there seems to be quite a lot of heavyweight games supporting DX11

[Nosada]

I think we can safely say DX10 was still-born. The differences with DX9 are so minute (the experience, not saying it's not a vastly different piece of software) that you'll need a trained eye to spot them. I'm not sure if this is caused by the API itself or the lack of effort developers have put into it, since most of the time it feels like they made the DX10 version as an afterthought.

DX11 has some pretty neat things to bring to the table, but as it stands, I doubt it'll pick up anytime before the next gen of consoles. The driving force behind graphics has IMO always been FPS's and right now most of those are ports from consoles. The current moneymaker on PC, MMO's, thrive on compatibility, so I doubt any of those is going to limit itself to the higher DX's (fe: FFXIV, due end this year, is still DX9). Big companies like Blizzard are also not too keen on limiting themselves to a select few, so Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 will undoubtedly support DX9.

It's kinda sad, but I'm afraid the only real jumps forward, even in PC-gaming, will come when a next generation of consoles is released. That is, until a real developer, with a real love for PC-gaming, releases a full-blown, DX11 only engine that sets the bar so high others are pretty much obliged to follow.

One can only hope, I guess

[phanbuey]

I agree with that to some extent, but any development of DX11 on the consoles will come directly from PC, so there will be developers making games in DX11 prior.

But also any 'decent' directX 11 cards, 5850 and up that can actually use DX11, are $300+. Thats pretty exclusive pricing.

[Yukikaze]

I could not agree more. DX10 was weakly supported, DX11 isn't seeing much action either. For me the decision is simple: I won't upgrade until I either need a new hardware feature (I code GPGPU apps, so this can make me change) or a game I get addicted to will be much better in DX11.

Neither is very likely: OpenCL isn't going to see a revision any time soon and the only game I am really waiting for in the future is Mass Effect 3 - And I bet it will be DX9 like the previous two. Well, there's Crysis 2 as well, but it will need to be really godlike in DX11 to make me switch.

Until then my pair of GTX285s will keep fighting the good fight.

[lyndonguitar]

aww. consoles are "slowing down" the gaming tech

[Bo$$]

Originally Posted by lyndonrakista

aww. consoles are "slowing down" the gaming tech

Bastards

[douglatins]

BC2 isn't

[phanbuey]

And prices! Consoles and Prices!!!

ARGH!! Lets all go down to the nearest Sony HQ and picket!

[douglatins]

DX is not in any console, even 360 its a different thing altogether i think

[slyfox2151]

Originally Posted by douglatins

DX is not in any console, even 360 its a different thing altogether i think

your source ? iv always assumed they use direct X 9? or even a slightly modifyed version of it.

[wahdangun]

i just know that PS3 use openGL, and xbox use direct X


but i think DX11 will take off, look just couse 2(Dx10 only), and AVP 3(its faster when u activate DX 11 effect) and after windows 7 was sell very well and gained market share i think DX 11 will adopt much faster than DX 11 because the reason failure of DX 10 is not only console but also the failure of vista

[RejZoR]

Failure of Vista? Interesting. I wonder why i'm still running it...

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by RejZoR

Failure of Vista? Interesting. I wonder why i'm still running it...

Not that Vista is a failure, its just a product which didn't gain mass adoption. If you don't get a crowd to support your back, you will most likely fall, whether you are good or not.

[MadClown]

Originally Posted by slyfox2151

your source ? iv always assumed they use direct X 9? or even a slightly modifyed version of it.

The 360, in fact, uses a modified version of DX9 that supports some sort of tessellation.

[Bravo2Zero]

game makers opt for languages they can use on many platforms why limit your self to just windows thats a verry narrow view when your trying to get people on game consoles windows linux mac to use your games aswell .

[Mussels]

DX10 adoption was slow because of slow adoption of vista (the only DX10 OS)

DX11 will not suffer this fate because DX11 games run on DX10, 10.1 and DX11 hardware in vista and 7.

far, FAR more systems can run DX11 games now, so the motivation to release such games is greater.

[KingPing]

Until next gen consoles arrive, we wont see any major improvements in graphics, look all dx10, dx11 titles out there and compare that to the dx9 version, its the same, its the same now, it was the same last year and it will be the same until next gen consoles are here whether they are here next year or in 2 or 4 years. Nobody is going to redo a game so PC gamers can rejoice about their superior hardware. Look at Dirt2, Stalker COP, BC2, AVP, etc, and compare the dx9 vs dx11, and then compare dx7 and dx8 games vs dx9 games. My point is that i want to see the game developed natively in dx11, not just a dx9 game with some fancy dx11 features, sadly thats not going to happen. The cash is where the dx** goes not the hardware.

And i'm not a PS3 or 360 fanboy, in fact i regret the money i spent in my PS3 (Here in Argentina 1400 dollars, F*** YEAH!!!,i bough it when it was launched, now it cost like $850)

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by KingPing

Until next gen consoles arrive, we wont see any major improvements in graphics, look all dx10, dx11 titles out there and compare that to the dx9 version, its the same, its the same now, it was the same last year and it will be the same until next gen consoles are here whether they are here next year or in 2 or 4 years. Nobody is going to redo a game so PC gamers can rejoice about their superior hardware. Look at Dirt2, Stalker COP, BC2, AVP, etc, and compare the dx9 vs dx11, and then compare dx7 and dx8 games vs dx9 games. My point is that i want to see the game developed natively in dx11, not just a dx9 game with some fancy dx11 features, sadly thats not going to happen. The cash is where the dx** goes not the hardware.

And i'm not a PS3 or 360 fanboy, in fact i regret the money i spent in my PS3 (Here in Argentina 1400 dollars, F*** YEAH!!!,i bough it when it was launched, now it cost like $850)

DX11 looks better and runs better (native multithreaded graphics) than DX9.

the early DX10 games sucked because they were DX9 PORTED to DX10... not made for DX10/11 from the start.

Current DX11 games look awesome compared to DX9.

[Tatty_One]

Originally Posted by Mussels

DX10 adoption was slow because of slow adoption of vista (the only DX10 OS)

DX11 will not suffer this fate because DX11 games run on DX10, 10.1 and DX11 hardware in vista and 7.

far, FAR more systems can run DX11 games now, so the motivation to release such games is greater.

I agree and that has always been my belief, however, predicted DX11 enabled games upto the end of this year (some 16 months after the hardware) still suggests otherwise from what I can see.

[KingPing]

Originally Posted by Mussels

the early DX10 games sucked because they were DX9 PORTED to DX10... not made for DX10/11 from the start.

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And that's why i say there will be no MAJOR difference until next gen arrives, clear example is Lost Planet and everything from CAPCOM.

The only game i played that really run faster in dx10 is Far Cry 2, the others were slower, the same or slightly better. Crysis runs quite slower in dx10, and its PC only, Metro 2033 runs better when in dx9, Dirt2 runs slower in dx11 with a 5770 at 1920x1080 maxed out, but runs well in dx9 all maxed out with the same card, AVP runs slightly slower in dx11 than dx9.

To sum up, i'm not saying dx11 is not worth it (i play DIRT2 in my 5850 rig cause it can handle dx11, and it look really good, but it also look really good in dx9), its just that we will have dx9 games for a while, and its not going to get any better.

[DanTheBanjoman]

Originally Posted by Tatty_One

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ctX_10_support

I don't know if this is accurate

All I can say here: It's wikipedia.