ATI's next gen GPU in next half of 2010

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http://www.3dgameman.com/news/2010/0...-2nd-half-year
Apparently the new chips (code named Northern Islands) will feature a completely new architecture, as stated from the article linked above. So hopefully ATI will kick Nvidia butt in the tessellation field sooner than later, and 48 or 64 ROPs wouldn't hurt. Apparently from what is said is that the new HD6000 series will feature MIMD (Multiple Instruction, Multiple Data Parallelism) instead of SIMD (Single Instruction, Multiple Data Parallelism).

Apparently the MIMD part isn't big news, talking about MIMD shaders :P http://www.dvhardware.net/article38403.html

[assaulter_99]

This is getting insane! I haven"t even moved to dx11 at all and its already time for a new generation of cards? I'd have gladly upgraded if the games followed the hardware though, which sadly ain't the case. Apart from metro 2033 and a couple more, I don't see the real need for all that powa, even if I'd gladly have liked to have it ($$$$)

[Lionheart]

GO ATi, they are raping the competition lol

[KainXS]

I feel bad for Nvidia.

[department76]

oh, how quickly the tides turn.

every competitive market is sinusoidal.. at least they make it look that way.

[KingPing]

Originally Posted by assaulter_99

This is getting insane! I haven"t even moved to dx11 at all and its already time for a new generation of cards? I'd have gladly upgraded if the games followed the hardware though, which sadly ain't the case. Apart from metro 2033 and a couple more, I don't see the real need for all that powa, even if I'd gladly have liked to have it ($$$$)

True, i see no real reason to upgrade my 4870 (is this a bad or a good thing)

buying any card now is pointless, since by mid year the 5000 series will be 1 year old, and the 6000 series will be out, i will wait for those cards.

Nvidia did with fermi what 3dfx did with all their cards, and we all know how it ended for 3dfx.

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I've also read somewhere that the 512-bit wide memory interface is supposed to come back, but that is pure speculation.

Source: http://translate.google.com/translat...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8

According to Donanimhaber.com, AMD is working on 2nd generation DX11 line-up and it will be based on completly new GPU architecture. Donanim Haber also underlines that, next-gen cards will be launched in 2nd half of this year as Dirk Meyer (AMD' CEO) said before. Still there is no official infos about the technical details of new architecture but some people speculates that new design supports MIMD desing approach.

nApoleon said R9xx chip should be the time to tape out at 40nm node,less stream processors than Cypress,performance target is 10%-20% higher than GTX480.There are some changes in architecture,but it's not a totally new architecture.

Q3 listing HD6750, 40nm process, the chip area of more than Cypress, less than 400 mm2, still 1600SP/256bit bit wide, divided into two 800SP modules, each of which has an enhanced off Tessellation Unit and a Rasterizer, two modules parallel-oriented graphics. Triangles rate doubled, Tessellation 3-4 times performance improvement. L2 Cache redesigned to significantly improve the performance of GPGPU. Core frequency of 900Mhz-1GHz, TDP of 225 watts or so. Target performance is 10% -20%, GTX480, expectations and GF100 B1 version of its flagship chip, the performance was flat. North Island family, the first product in the maturity process of verifying the new structure.

Q4-Q1 next year, listing HD6670/6650, single 800SP modules / 128bit bit width, Water 28nm process.
Q1-Q2 next year, listing HD6870, 28nm process, four 800SP module, 512bit-bit wide return to core area of 400-450 mm between the target performance of dual-core card Fermi suppression. In fact, R600 is the ultimate form

[DOM]

wtf lmao i was going to order a 5850 now this happends XD

[assaulter_99]

Originally Posted by DOM

wtf lmao i was going to order a 5850 now this happends XD

Rofl! But you do know that once you'll wait the 6000 series, NV will come out with news about their new cards, then you might also wait, to see how it pans out, next ati will... well, it'll never end!

[DOM]

Originally Posted by assaulter_99

Rofl! But you do know that once you'll wait the 6000 series, NV will come out with news about their new cards, then you might also wait, to see how it pans out, next ati will... well, it'll never end!

tell me about it cuz i thought 6000s was going to be out at the end of this yr or it still is

im on my cell at work and batts dieing lol

but i wanted to get a 5850 ordered from newegg tonight when i get off in like 1hr 1/2

[Melvis]

Dual Core?

[assaulter_99]

Originally Posted by DOM

tell me about it cuz i thought 6000s was going to be out at the end of this yr or it still is im ok my cell at work and batts dieing lol

lol. Anyways, all we know is that it'll come sometime in the 2nd half of the year. We'd think ati wouldn't be arsed, since they already have a strong and competitive line-up but it seems they aren't sitting on their laurels no more! Anyways, btw, the competition plans to bring mid range cards, codenamed gf104 if I ain't wrong.

If I were you, I'd sit out this generation, your sli config of 9600's should do fine for the moment! A lil patience sometimes pays off!

[Super XP]

I got my thread closed
Anyway let me contribute to the HD 6800's

LINK:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norther...ds_(GPU_family)

Early details
The variants in the family will be made on 32 nm fabrication process as stated on the roadmap.[1] However, it is rumored that AMD plan to skip 32 nm and jump straight to 28 nm.[2][1]

ATI’s next-generation family is code-named Hecatonchires (the "hundred-handed ones", in Greek mythology, giants of incredible strength and ferocity), and will feature code-named Cozumel, Ibiza and Kauai chips. It is possible that ATI may be working on two new architectures. (Northern Islands & Hecatonchires code-names).[2]

Hecatonchires will be based on a brand new architecture. Unlike Cypress, which was an evolution of RV770, this will be a brand new design. ATI plans to offer six different products (3 desktop, 3 mobile) -- and Greek codenames for each of them -- with the first parts coming late 2010.[3]

[jagd]

There is no info about MIMD and other things ,it is pure speculation i would not trust writer more than a tabloid news paper (talking about donanimhaber) , what he said is " according to rumours " and i know what im talking about since turkish is my native language .
New artitecture may have MIMD i dont know but he does not know either , take with truck load of salt what has been written at donanimhaber , i guess it was a slow day and pulled from his leg .

About 512bit memory ,there is a part in turkish news says "it will be first radical change since R600 " and i guess it is where confusing coming from (bad translation or something else) but i dont see 512 bit memory in news or somewhere else.
OK what Sasa Marinkovic (marketing manager of EMEA region) told new platform including new generation vga cards will come at 2011 (if info is wrong dont blame me i just translated from turkish to english) and also said they will be loyal to roadmap given by Derk Meyer

Originally Posted by _33

Apparently from what is said is that the new HD6000 series will feature MIMD (Multiple Instruction, Multiple Data Parallelism) instead of SIMD (Single Instruction, Multiple Data Parallelism).

Apparently the MIMD part isn't big news, talking about MIMD shaders :P

TSMC canceled 32nm and will move to 28nm but when i dont know.

Originally Posted by Super XP

I got my thread closed
Anyway let me contribute to the HD 6800's

[Delta6326]

sounds amazing! im still waiting for my 7850 i think by then there should be like 10 dx11 games out and i might like 1

i has to post http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZXhR1ibj8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If0Bkfnifi4

[Super XP]

Here a link to my old thread which was closed: Use it for more information!

Radeon HD 6800 coming sooner than you think?
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=117295

[erocker]

Originally Posted by Super XP

Here a link to my old thread which was closed: Use it for more information!

Radeon HD 6800 coming sooner than you think?
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=117295

Your old thread is now defunct and wrong. Southern Islands before Northern Islands. Also, everybody and their mother has posted the hitler Fermi video, just like the Hitler PS3 video and the Hitler 5870 video. Not only is it old and has worn out it's usefulness, it doesn't belong in the ATi section and it doesn't belong where intelligent discussion is happening.

I appreciate your enthusiasm as I too like ATi, however If I were to spend my time fluffing them everywhere I would at least expect to get paid. Anyhoo, it will be interesting to see some of this newer archetecture integrated with Evergreen, and hopefully this will decrease the chances of the new arch. being a flop.

[afw]

found this --- > http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/03/...eration-outed/

i know its not (semiaccurate ) authentic ... just wanted to share ...

IT LOOKS LIKE the GPU roadmaps are being torn up and plan B's are coming out of the woodwork left and right. The current problem? TSMC's 28nm process, or lack thereof.

When we first told you about ATI's Northern Islands, (here, way at the bottom) the plan was simple - a new architecture on next generation 28nm HKMG processes, coming out in the next new year, 2011. The lead off parts were due to come on TSMC's 28nm process, which is set for Q1/2011, followed by derivatives on GlobalFoundries' 28nm process. Since that was due about a quarter after TSMC, the first out of the gate was going to be TSMC.

The problem is that from SemiAccurate's unscientific poll of asking several involved companies, no one seems to have any confidence that TSMC will deliver 28nm HKMG on time. Many expressed skepticism that it will deliver at all, but let's give it the benefit of the doubt here.

If you recall, TSMC 40nm was set to come out in Q4 of 2008, and it wasn't working until Q4 of 2009, more or less. Problems still plague some users though. We broke the news that TSMC canceled it's 32nm node completely, something the company has never done before.

Northern Islands(NI) from ATI and the next generation of Nvidia parts were slated to use the 32nm process, and several ATI slides have leaked showing that explicitly. When 32nm was pulled, the decision initially was made to move NI to 28nm, delaying it by a quarter or two. Fair enough.

Meanwhile, TSMC threw out its 28nm process and replaced it with a completely different one. TSMC initially claimed to use a technique called 'gate first', and that was slipping by quarters at a time. One day, it announced that it threw 'gate first' out the window and replaced it with 'gate last', a completely different process. On top of this, it pulled the roadmap in a quarter.

To call companies skeptical of the new roadmap is being overly kind. No one believed it, but what can they do? Easy, put plan C into place, and for ATI, that is called Southern Islands.

Southern Islands (SI) is a 40nm family, and from early information, it looks to be a hybrid between Evergreen and Northern Islands. The architectural details are quite slim now, but it looks like ATI took the uncore from NI and put the shaders from Evergreen on it. Think of it as taking the parts that were done and available, and putting them together.

Because it is the only option at this point, SI will be built on TSMC's 40nm process. This is good because it is known, and ready, pulling in the timetables. Low risk means low chance of problems and quick time to market. Expect SI sometime this fall. Rumors abound that some family members have already taped out, but that is far from confirmed.

In any case, ATI will likely have a fully refreshed lineup before Nvidia has its Fermi GF100 GTX4xx line fully out the door. It looks like this fall's GPU battle will be more of a howitzer versus pen knife match rather than a duel.S|A

[erocker]

Yeah it's SemiAccurate, but at least is isn't some bashing story. AMD mentioned a refresh, and those wondering what that refresh might be this is probablly it:

Southern Islands (SI) is a 40nm family, and from early information, it looks to be a hybrid between Evergreen and Northern Islands. The architectural details are quite slim now, but it looks like ATI took the uncore from NI and put the shaders from Evergreen on it. Think of it as taking the parts that were done and available, and putting them together.

..maybe. This could be the next generation entirely as well. Or, Southern Islands could just pertain to the higher end cards for a refresh and the lower/mid end cards could get the die shrink the same way they did with the HD 4770. Then for the 6 series they take the good out of the refresh and add the die shrink.

[95Viper]

This is good news... I love new tech. I'll be waiting.
I'll see you(in general) in the BST threads later for that good deal on a 5870 or so.

[soldier242]

i don't believe that AMD is bringing a complete new architecture, they always say that kind of thing and i don't expect 512bit wide bus, since they dropped it last time because the price/performance ratio wasn't their kind of thing

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To call companies skeptical of the new roadmap is being overly kind. No one believed it, but what can they do? Easy, put plan C into place, and for ATI, that is called Southern Islands.

Southern Islands (SI) is a 40nm family, and from early information, it looks to be a hybrid between Evergreen and Northern Islands. The architectural details are quite slim now, but it looks like ATI took the uncore from NI and put the shaders from Evergreen on it. Think of it as taking the parts that were done and available, and putting them together.

Because it is the only option at this point, SI will be built on TSMC's 40nm process. This is good because it is known, and ready, pulling in the timetables. Low risk means low chance of problems and quick time to market. Expect SI sometime this fall. Rumors abound that some family members have already taped out, but that is far from confirmed.

If the Southern Islands (plan C) is true, then we won't see the day of the new MIMD shaders this year. I think that plan C is a bad move, very conservative but bad for the people wanting to get their hands on totally new architecture.

Here's older info coming from xbit labs about ATI plans (dating back to 01/21/2010) mentioning about Southern Islands: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...AMD_s_CEO.html

[Super XP]

AMD's Hecatoncheires GPU family codenames revealed
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15918/34/

ATI next generation is codenamed Hecatoncheires
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15891/34/

MIMD shaders

AMD's upcoming Hecatoncheires graphics architecture, the one that will eventually become Evergreen's successor, (Just what I thought) introduces three new subcategory codenames under its family name. Due to the original nature of AMD's latest marketing decisions, we are again talking about Greek codenames, so the pronunciation may be difficult for some. If you're up to the task, the family consists of Briareos, Gyes and Kottos.

On another note, three more Greek codenames are reserved for the mobile GPU department. In regards to architectural changes, the only information we were able to discover is that these new chips should introduce MIMD shaders.

For those requiring more academic background about these names in regards to Greek mythology, it can be noted that the three new desktop GPU codenames were the names of Hecatoncheires (see here). “Their names were Briareus Βριάρεως the Vigorous, also called Aigaion Αιγαίων (Latinized as Aegaeon) the "sea goat", CottusGyges Γύγης (or Gyes) the Big-Limbed.” Κόττος the Striker or the Furious.

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In My Opinion:
ATI Code Name: Southern Islands = Evergreen Re-fresh w/ elements of next gen tech @ a more efficient 40nm process. Should produce approx: 40% performance increase over HD 5870 and HD 5970.
ATI Code Name: Northern Islands = Next Gen - Built from the Ground up. w/ new 28nm process. Should produce approx: 75% to 150% performance increase over HD 5870 and HD 5970.
ATI Code Name: Hecatoncheires = Rumoured to be the code name for another Next Gen GPU. Can this be a Dual-GPU or even a Tri-GPU graphics monster . It seems as though ATI plans on making their new GPU's smaller and more efficient, it can very well be possible for a Tri-GPU and even a Quad-GPU card. This can also be based on the GPU that will be part of the Fusion CPU/GPU.
Go ahead, speculate your hearts out please

ATI Reportedly Preps “Southern Islands” Family of Graphics Chips.
ATI’s Next-Gen Graphics Chips Expected to Feature Hybrid Architecture
[03/30/2010 05:13 PM]
by Anton Shilov
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Due to the fact that Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company will unlikely be ready with its 28nm fabrication process technology by the end of the year, both ATI, graphics business unit of Advanced Micro Devices, and Nvidia Corp. will have to reconsider their plans of launching new chips. In case of ATI this may lead to introduction of a chip that has architectural elements of both current and next-gen graphics families.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/d...ics_Chips.html

ATI 40nm Southern Islands slated for Fall?
http://www.dvhardware.net/article41977.html

ATI Reportedly Preps “Southern Islands” Family of Graphics Chips
http://aphnetworks.com/news/2010/03/...graphics-chips

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We could say that it's now official that ATI will use their plan C (Southern Islands) for the next graphics card release, and that we are talking of 2010 (Q3 or Q4, but some say Q2(?)). Now what we need to know is what exactly consists Southern Islands. Yes it will be the uncore of the Northern Islands (so brand new technology there) and the EverGreen shaders (meaning same DX11 shaders as the 58xx models), but still... We do not know for the high end card, how many shaders, and if it will beat the GTX480 in performance? Will the tessellation performance be 3 to 4X those of the 5 series? And will they make the GPU in a way that it has a two times 800 shaders type config, pushing what some speculate twice the number of triangles as what we saw in the 58xx series?

[mastrdrver]

What's this Hectaoncheires Fud talks about?

Never heard of Hectaoncheires

As I said elsewhere, NI is 28nm, and it is a new architecture.

I have never heard of Hectaoncheires, but that does not say that Fudo is wrong, I just haven't heard it directly. Fudo has good sources.

-Charlie

Maybe it's SI?