|TPU's|## GeForce GTX 480/470 Club House ##|

[boredgunner]

I'm running my GTX 480 @ 863/1725/1050 and 1.138v. For benching I run it at 875/1750/1050. I'm doing fine on my Antec TP-750 (see my system specs). I wonder how I'll do with an overclocked i5 750 (which I'll be buying in a few months).

[Paulieg]

So, for those who have owned a 5850/5870, how does the GTX 480 compare? I'm looking for personal opinion, and not reviews....

[boredgunner]

Reviews have personal opinions and lots of facts.

[Paulieg]

Originally Posted by boredgunner

Reviews have personal opinions and lots of facts.

Come on now. I've read the reviews, now I'm looking for personal opinions from TPU members...but thanks for the witty commentary.

[Fitseries3]

well you can thank EVGA for slacking on the SR2 or i could tell you how well they run.

its a shame i have these things sitting here with no mobo to run them on.

they are ready to be unleashed.

[Paulieg]

Originally Posted by Fitseries3

well you can thank EVGA for slacking on the SR2 or i could tell you how well they run.

its a shame i have these things sitting here with no mobo to run them on.

they are ready to be unleashed.

Yeah that blows. So, you're holding out on the 480's until you get the board?

[Fitseries3]

im not gonna lie...

i couldnt resist...

i've tried each one on my main rig but with only a corsair hx520watt psu to power it im not pushing it too hard yet.

stuff like adobe CS5 runs SOOOO well with the 480. no lag at all. im editing huge files like they are nothing. gotta love it.

[pr@$r1g]

yup cs5 runs ,nope it flows ...

anyone donated to nibitor support

[HammerON]

Originally Posted by trt740

You will need a 1500 watt psu to overclock them. A single card oced to the max almost draws 600 watts by itself

I am talking about the 470's; not the 480's

[shevanel]

Originally Posted by Paulieg

So, for those who have owned a 5850/5870, how does the GTX 480 compare? I'm looking for personal opinion, and not reviews....

for what it's worth I can give you my opinion on a gtx 470 clocked to 480 speeds vs a 5870 if you want..

[HammerON]

Originally Posted by shevanel

for what it's worth I can give you my opinion on a gtx 470 clocked to 480 speeds vs a 5870 if you want..

I would like to hear what this~

[Paulieg]

Originally Posted by shevanel

for what it's worth I can give you my opinion on a gtx 470 clocked to 480 speeds vs a 5870 if you want..

I'd love to hear it, though it's too late to turn back now. I just ordered a EVGA gtx 470. I made myself order just one until I see what performance is like. Honestly, if performance is similar or better than a 5850, I'll be good with one. I've been buying multiple cards for benchmarking, but for the gaming I do, I really don't need more than one decent card.

[erixx]

I just got mine!!!!!

LOL At the end the ASUS didn't arrive and no hope for one soon, but I took the POV that they had.
1) POV package is shit (only generic CD, generic booklet, and adaptors), and the frekking card costs more than the ASUS
2) Changed the termal compound to Artic Cooling 3 whatever. The AC Twin TURBO PRO for sure doesn't fit (holes distance to big) Plugged the card in, and started flashing bios to asus! perfect.
3) Now testing afterburner and asus smartdoctor. Voltage options are disabled in both.
4) Uniengine and games FLY, but hot it gets!!! NEarly cant touch the rear vents.

More to come....

[erixx]

Disabled Hyperdrive and some voltage and speeds control became available. RAM doesnt want to go up, but core does (707 Mhz)

Of the 3 Hyperdrive options only the 'Temp mode' is avalable.

Wondering what all is...

[shevanel]

The evga gtx 470 I had was a very decent card.

@ $350+ I don't feel it is worth it's price.. but @ $275-$300 it would be a better value. It's price really made me feel the 5870 @ $400 was a bargain. $50 more yields many advantages.

Temps on a single monitor are more than acceptable and fan noise @ 70% is reasonably audible and no louder than a 5870.

Temps on a dual monitor setup are almost comparable to the ATI variant but still a little toastier than I am comfortable with.. with idle temps of 70c whilst doing nothing but displaying a desktop it's just a little rediculous

Performance of the gtx 470 @ stock falls short to a 5870 obv.. but what is lacks in FPS it more than makes up for with image quality. I've noticed the Gtx 470 to be capable of handling higher AA settings and tessallation/DX11 features while still keeping smooth and steady gameplay and acceptable frame rates at x1080.

Over clock the core alone to 18-20% and the GTX 470 really feels like a hot stock 5870.. the already high temps are not greatly affected even further by core clock increase but performance is really felt.

Cuda for gpu transcoding sucks IMO and so does physx, no reason to buy a GPU unless for CS5

I tried to find software to test both physx and cuda and I did not find anything that would be worth my while to use in a real world everyday situation. I hear the gpu transcoding stuff lacks quality and physx i know for a fact is just complete junk..

If I knew what I know now and were in the market for a video card I would choose the radeon 5870 over the gtx 470. for many many reasons.

the gtx 470 is meant to compete with the 5850 but is only priced $50 lower than a 5870.

A stock 5870 runs cooler, runs quieter, runs faster in most situations, draws less power for only $50 more.


If the MSRP on a gtx 470 were $299 it would be the best deal in graphics hands down... so unless you can score one used and cheap, I would advise anyone to wait just a little while longer to upgrade and see if the price comes down or get a 5870 if you want a completly well balanced hi-end gpu that doesnt have too many negatives. The better deal is still the 5850 imo, so anyone that reads this and your on the fence this might help you decide on where to place your money.

Sorry this entire post is sloppy, im trying to do 4 things at once right now and I hope I made any sense at all lol

[erixx]

ok Shevanel, fair deal, thank you!
Yes it's 50 $/€ more than a 5850 and 50 less than a 5870... HARD decission.

Personally.... I have to test it! BF2 rocks with this card, Need for speed Shift also.

But it's hot, or does it just FEEL hot? Now all the hot air is coming out of the case rear....

[shevanel]

5870 gets hot too.. the gtx 470 just stays hot even when it's doing nothing.

now off to more important problems...

after shipping sneekypeet this 470 i need to come home and get this damn 9600gso fan to shut the hell up... its annoying. now i have a hot loud card that cant even game! LOL

[erixx]

NO, NOT. Doing nothing the 470 is cool. It clocks down very nicely.

Regarding 9600: its fans are soo crazy screaming its unbelievable!!!!

The 470 FAN sounds like a TURBO CAR: NICE. No problem at all at any speed.

[boredgunner]

Originally Posted by shevanel

The evga gtx 470 I had was a very decent card.

@ $350+ I don't feel it is worth it's price.. but @ $275-$300 it would be a better value. It's price really made me feel the 5870 @ $400 was a bargain. $50 more yields many advantages.

Temps on a single monitor are more than acceptable and fan noise @ 70% is reasonably audible and no louder than a 5870.

Temps on a dual monitor setup are almost comparable to the ATI variant but still a little toastier than I am comfortable with.. with idle temps of 70c whilst doing nothing but displaying a desktop it's just a little rediculous

Performance of the gtx 470 @ stock falls short to a 5870 obv.. but what is lacks in FPS it more than makes up for with image quality. I've noticed the Gtx 470 to be capable of handling higher AA settings and tessallation/DX11 features while still keeping smooth and steady gameplay and acceptable frame rates at x1080.

Over clock the core alone to 18-20% and the GTX 470 really feels like a hot stock 5870.. the already high temps are not greatly affected even further by core clock increase but performance is really felt.

Cuda for gpu transcoding sucks IMO and so does physx, no reason to buy a GPU unless for CS5

I tried to find software to test both physx and cuda and I did not find anything that would be worth my while to use in a real world everyday situation. I hear the gpu transcoding stuff lacks quality and physx i know for a fact is just complete junk..

If I knew what I know now and were in the market for a video card I would choose the radeon 5870 over the gtx 470. for many many reasons.

the gtx 470 is meant to compete with the 5850 but is only priced $50 lower than a 5870.

A stock 5870 runs cooler, runs quieter, runs faster in most situations, draws less power for only $50 more.


If the MSRP on a gtx 470 were $299 it would be the best deal in graphics hands down... so unless you can score one used and cheap, I would advise anyone to wait just a little while longer to upgrade and see if the price comes down or get a 5870 if you want a completly well balanced hi-end gpu that doesnt have too many negatives. The better deal is still the 5850 imo, so anyone that reads this and your on the fence this might help you decide on where to place your money.

Sorry this entire post is sloppy, im trying to do 4 things at once right now and I hope I made any sense at all lol

Thanks for the post. That's pretty much exactly what I predicted. The 5870 is supposed to compete with the GTX 480, so of course it is a little bit faster than the GTX 470 overall.

I'd still rather have a GTX 470 than a 5870, since the GTX 470 as you say provides better AA performance, better DX11 performance, better picture quality, and better minimum frame rates. More importantly, most of the games I play do best with NVIDIA GPUs (Crysis series, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is about even, PhysX games).

This EVGA forum member (and OCN forum member) posted his results with GTX 470 SLI vs 5870 CF. Results are similar to what I said and what shevanel got. Notice how the GTX 470 SLI actually does better in S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat, a game advertised for ATI. Very impressive results overall.

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=305548

[Paulieg]

Originally Posted by shevanel

The evga gtx 470 I had was a very decent card.

@ $350+ I don't feel it is worth it's price.. but @ $275-$300 it would be a better value. It's price really made me feel the 5870 @ $400 was a bargain. $50 more yields many advantages.

Temps on a single monitor are more than acceptable and fan noise @ 70% is reasonably audible and no louder than a 5870.

Temps on a dual monitor setup are almost comparable to the ATI variant but still a little toastier than I am comfortable with.. with idle temps of 70c whilst doing nothing but displaying a desktop it's just a little rediculous

Performance of the gtx 470 @ stock falls short to a 5870 obv.. but what is lacks in FPS it more than makes up for with image quality. I've noticed the Gtx 470 to be capable of handling higher AA settings and tessallation/DX11 features while still keeping smooth and steady gameplay and acceptable frame rates at x1080.

Over clock the core alone to 18-20% and the GTX 470 really feels like a hot stock 5870.. the already high temps are not greatly affected even further by core clock increase but performance is really felt.

Cuda for gpu transcoding sucks IMO and so does physx, no reason to buy a GPU unless for CS5

I tried to find software to test both physx and cuda and I did not find anything that would be worth my while to use in a real world everyday situation. I hear the gpu transcoding stuff lacks quality and physx i know for a fact is just complete junk..

If I knew what I know now and were in the market for a video card I would choose the radeon 5870 over the gtx 470. for many many reasons.

the gtx 470 is meant to compete with the 5850 but is only priced $50 lower than a 5870.

A stock 5870 runs cooler, runs quieter, runs faster in most situations, draws less power for only $50 more.


If the MSRP on a gtx 470 were $299 it would be the best deal in graphics hands down... so unless you can score one used and cheap, I would advise anyone to wait just a little while longer to upgrade and see if the price comes down or get a 5870 if you want a completly well balanced hi-end gpu that doesnt have too many negatives. The better deal is still the 5850 imo, so anyone that reads this and your on the fence this might help you decide on where to place your money.

Sorry this entire post is sloppy, im trying to do 4 things at once right now and I hope I made any sense at all lol

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Thank you for your insight, it's quite helpful. I really had to decide b/t a used 5870 or a new GTX 470. I really like to have the warranty, and be the first to use a card. The EVGA 470 was a decent bargain because Tigerdirect now has 12% cashback, so I really paid like $310 for the card. I had free shipping, and it's shipped from Illinois so it will be here on 5/14. If performance is as you say, then I'll be happy with it. I'm really not worried about the heat either, since I'm on an open bench with several fans keeping everything cool.

[Pickles24]

Originally Posted by Paulieg

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Thank you for your insight, it's quite helpful. I really had to decide b/t a used 5870 or a new GTX 470. I really like to have the warranty, and be the first to use a card. The EVGA 470 was a decent bargain because Tigerdirect now has 12% cashback, so I really paid like $310 for the card. I had free shipping, and it's shipped from Illinois so it will be here on 5/14. If performance is as you say, then I'll be happy with it. I'm really not worried about the heat either, since I'm on an open bench with several fans keeping everything cool.

I just got the 470 and I find if you don't use the fan on auto in precision it stays fairly cool. @65% it idles about 37-40c, and gets in the mid 70's with BBC2 full blast for a few hours. I did get a pretty good deal from the Egg, they basically threw in a 1000w psu for $20 extra. Still under $400 with shipping. It's also $180 to step-up with EVGA to the banging 480.

I do find it harder playing, cause I get caught admiring the graphics with dx11.

[shevanel]

Originally Posted by Paulieg

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Thank you for your insight, it's quite helpful. I really had to decide b/t a used 5870 or a new GTX 470. I really like to have the warranty, and be the first to use a card. The EVGA 470 was a decent bargain because Tigerdirect now has 12% cashback, so I really paid like $310 for the card. I had free shipping, and it's shipped from Illinois so it will be here on 5/14. If performance is as you say, then I'll be happy with it. I'm really not worried about the heat either, since I'm on an open bench with several fans keeping everything cool.

$310 is a great price for this card. It's well worth $300 bucks. $360+ not so much.

with an open bench you will be more than happy with this card, and @ 60% fan it really doesn't sound too annoying. (what is annoying is the friggin 9600gso I have in here right now that doesnt have SW fan control... must find my 9800gtx+)

I don't want anyone to misunderstand my post and think I am bashing this card, I do think it is a great card. My only cons were with power/heat and price. Other than that, It's an awesome product.

Luckily for some people.. Nvidia overpriced them which opened up an early yet small buyers market for used cards.

Mainly my post is directed towards someone who is sitting in the hot seat deciding whether or not to put a new 5870 or a new gtx 470 in the cart and pull teh trigger.

and I don't see why ANYONE would buy a GTX480 ($500+ GTFO with that nonsense there arent any fun game out right now anyway that require more than a 5830 @ $250.. there are some new games on the way but prices will be different then).. especially when the gtx 470 overclocks amazingly well.. even for me, a guy that doesnt like overclocking GPUs and has limited experience with it because I only do it after an initial install to get an idea of the performance that could be utilized in the future when needed.. I don't feel I should have to overclock a $400 card to be able to comfortable play whatever game is released within the same era.

so yeah, if heat and power draw don't bother ya I'd reccommend a gtx470 if acquired for under msrp

[boredgunner]

Originally Posted by shevanel

and I don't see why ANYONE would buy a GTX480 ($500+ GTFO with that nonsense there arent any fun game out right now anyway that require more than a 5830 @ $250.. there are some new games on the way but prices will be different then).. especially when the gtx 470 overclocks amazingly well.. even for me, a guy that doesnt like overclocking GPUs and has limited experience with it because I only do it after an initial install to get an idea of the performance that could be utilized in the future when needed.. I don't feel I should have to overclock a $400 card to be able to comfortable play whatever game is released within the same era.

Erm, lots of us enjoy modern games which require much more than a wittle 5830. I play the Crysis games, Cryostasis: Sleep of Reason, and I'll be picking up Metro 2033 soon. With one GTX 480 (stock clocks) at 1920 x 1080, here are some of my benchmarks.






My full review is here.

I won't be going GTX 480 SLI though, not even after I get my EVGA P55 FTW 200/i5 750/4GB DDR3 1600. I'm getting great performance as it is (I use my high end graphics mod which is in the benchmarks, Jester is me) and I didn't enjoy the micro stuttering I got with GTX 260 CORE 216 55nm SLI.

[erixx]

i just had a crash. don't know if it was the 470 or my i5 at 3900 mhz

anyway, thje 470 expells a lot of heat, a lot while gaming, no problem realy,if you wset the fan to a lower setting. I wonder what to do now... Asus Smart doctor doesn't allow much, neither Afterburner...

I do not need any overclock at all, haha, this card rocks. Only major problem is FArcry2, it does not run smooth.

[erixx]

wow, during Kombustor, I put my hand at the back of the case where the Geforce expells the air, and it is hot hot hot, so that it hurts my hand... Maybe this is good, all the heat from Lady Nvidia gets out of my case,... hehe ...