Need help on a computer for my brother

[lyndonguitar]

I have a spare Mid-tower small case and a 500W PSU here enough to power a good decent pc. and i plan to build my brother a Decent Desktop PC, he will use it for school, general gaming, ragnarok, dota, crysis on medium, oblivion, and such.

I plan on buying this items.
Note: I don't plan on OC'ing and i don't need an uber latest hardcore rig.

Mobo: ECS™ G41T-M6 - 50$

CPU: Intel™ Core 2 Duo™ E7500 or Intel™ Core 2 Quad™ Q8300 103$/137$

VCard: 1gb Sapphire™ Radeon HD 5570 ddr3 - 80$ maybe 5770 if got enough money.
I know the 5770 is the best bang for the buck card.

Seagate 500gb/16mb 7200.12 (ST3500418AS) sata 39$

RAM: Kingston™ 2GB ddr2 667 - 40$

Optical Drive: LG™ 22x dvdrw dual layer sata ls lightscribe - 26$

Monitor: LG 18.5\" (W1943T) wide black - DVI 119$

Speakers: Edifier M1250 2.1 Speaker - 20$

Total = 511$ / 25550 Php in our Country.(really cheap)

anything you want to change/suggest/add?

[Fourstaff]

Get the Quad, its much more powerful. And get at least 5750/5770, they are more worth your money than the 5570. Surely you can save up a few thousand more peso.

[lyndonguitar]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Get the Quad, its much more powerful. And get at least 5750/5770, they are more worth your money than the 5570. Surely you can save up a few thousand more peso.

then i would just have to add 50$ more dollars for a 5750 Thanks!

[Dent1]

Do not build a socket 775/core 2 rig, the socket is dead. For the same price you could get a decent Phenom II X4 or Athlon II X4 which would knock its socks off for performance.

[_JP_]

Originally Posted by Dent1

Do not build a socket 775/core 2 rig, the socket is dead. For the same price you could get a decent Phenom II X4 or Athlon II X4 which would knock its socks off for performance.

Although I agree with this, I must say, if you really want or get a good deal from a 775 system get a E7600 with a X48 chipset. The reason for this is that X48 boards support DDR3 (like this one) and this is good since DDR3 is getting more common and prices should drop (eventually). Besides, with this board, later you can ditch the E7600 and get a second-hand Q9650 for a good price, thus having a very good quad core. Also, this board supports CrossFire, so if you buy now a HD 5770/5750, later you can just add up one more and have the performance improvement.

The hard disk...uhm...can't you get a 500GB with a 32MB buffer? If you can (for a good price, ofc), it's worth it.

All this should suffice for your brother.

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by Dent1

Do not build a socket 775/core 2 rig, the socket is dead. For the same price you could get a decent Phenom II X4 or Athlon II X4 which would knock its socks off for performance.

Why not? AM3 is reaching EOTL anyway, so might as well go for the cheaper one. When its time for upgrade, I think we well be looking forward to Bulldozer's replacement anyway. Its not like Phenom II is that much more powerful than the Core 2.

[Dent1]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Why not? AM3 is reaching EOTL anyway, so might as well go for the cheaper one. When its time for upgrade, I think we well be looking forward to Bulldozer's replacement anyway. Its not like Phenom II is that much more powerful than the Core 2.

AM3 has just come out a year go what makes you think its reaching EOTL? There is no evidence to suggest that Bulldozer will not use AM3, actually there is more rumours suggesting that it will be on AM3 than not.

Either way socket 775 is dead, buried and dusted, if it were a upgrade fine but why build a new rig around hardware that’s not even supported? On the OPs budget of around $500 the Phenom II 945 X4 is cheaper than the Q8300 and faster, the Athlon II 630 X4 is cheaper and faster than the E7500. The fact that the Phenom II X6 or possibly the Bulldozer is a formidable upgrade path on the same socket is just the icing on the cake.

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by Dent1

AM3 has just come out a year go what makes you think its reaching EOTL? There is no evidence to suggest that Bulldozer will not use AM3, actually there is more rumours suggesting that it will be on AM3 than not.

Hmmm, it seems that Bulldozer is indeed more likely to use AM3 rather than not, which is surprising given that AM3 is getting old. Well, with that information, I think there might be a strong case of getting an AM3 based processor. But that said, it means that OT is going to need quite a few more dollars to get an AM3 system.

[lyndonguitar]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Hmmm, it seems that Bulldozer is indeed more likely to use AM3 rather than not, which is surprising given that AM3 is getting old. Well, with that information, I think there might be a strong case of getting an AM3 based processor. But that said, it means that OT is going to need quite a few more dollars to get an AM3 system.

and i'm not used on buying AMD CPUs too. never bought an AMD CPU, always Intel.

but maybe i should have a look at AM3 Mobos and CPUs

[Fourstaff]

Originally Posted by lyndonrakista

and i'm not used on buying AMD CPUs too. never bought an AMD CPU, always Intel.

but maybe i should have a look at AM3 Mobos and CPUs

Its just as easy. You have the Phenom II and Athlon II lines currently, and the only difference between them is that the Phenom II have L3 cache and Athlon II doesn't. It means that the Athlon II is quite a bit cheaper compared to the Phenom, but lacking the L3, certain programmes such as games suffer quite a big drop. Motherboards require a bit more research, but I think you will be able to handle the research.

[_JP_]

Originally Posted by Dent1

AM3 has just come out a year go what makes you think its reaching EOTL? There is no evidence to suggest that Bulldozer will not use AM3, actually there is more rumours suggesting that it will be on AM3 than not.

Either way socket 775 is dead, buried and dusted, if it were a upgrade fine but why build a new rig around hardware that’s not even supported? On the OPs budget of around $500 the Phenom II 945 X4 is cheaper than the Q8300 and faster, the Athlon II 630 X4 is cheaper and faster than the E7500. The fact that the Phenom II X6 or possibly the Bulldozer is a formidable upgrade path on the same socket is just the icing on the cake.

Ok, I saw a few things there that don't sound right to me.
First, Bulldozer will use the Fusion platform that will be new and different in order to comply with new technology (Intel did the same with their new Core processors, remember ).
Second, yes, if it were to upgrade, it would be fine to do it, but to build a new system it doesn't seem too "politically correct", but if one wants too, why not?
Sure, it's a EOL socket, but it still has new parts available and at good prices (some).
And I didn't get the part were you said the hardware was unsupported, please clarify me that.

The Core 2 Quad CPUs from Intel are on pair with the Phenom II x4, if it has a difference in performance it isn't that much and it depends a lot on the rest of the system (i.e. chipset).

EDIT: Should have refreshed the page. A lot has been said after this quoted reply.

[lyndonguitar]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

Its just as easy. You have the Phenom II and Athlon II lines currently, and the only difference between them is that the Phenom II have L3 cache and Athlon II doesn't. It means that the Athlon II is quite a bit cheaper compared to the Phenom, but lacking the L3, certain programmes such as games suffer quite a big drop. Motherboards require a bit more research, but I think you will be able to handle the research.

yup.

Is this build okay?

AMD™ Phenom™ II X4 905E
Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2P(i really don't need ddr3 right now, brother doesn't care if its ddr2 or 3 and i will be upgrading sooner or later) I suppose all the other parts are compatible with this board.

[lyndonguitar]

Originally Posted by _JP_

Ok, I saw a few things there that don't sound right to me.
First, Bulldozer will use the Fusion platform that will be new and different in order to comply with new technology (Intel did the same with their new Core processors, remember ).
Second, yes, if it were to upgrade, it would be fine to do it, but to build a new system it doesn't seem too "politically correct", but if one wants too, why not?
Sure, it's a EOL socket, but it still has new part available and at good prices.
And I didn't get the part were you said the hardware was unsupported, please clarify me that.

The quad cores from Intel are o pair with the Phenom II x4, if it has a diffrence in performance it isn't that much and it depends a lot on the rest of the system (i.e. chipset).

My brother doesn't need Core i series yet. and why would i buy my brother Core i3,5,7 when i myself don't have one? Haha, so if you were to suggest? which is better? Phenom II x4s or Core 2 Quads? price/performance ratio, not OCing here. so were talking about stock speeds. i'm always supporting and buying Intel but i would also like to try out an AMD system.

[AhokZYashA]

i3's are cheap and ridiculously fast..
just get them, and go for a good P55 chipset and youre good to go.

[Fourstaff]

How about donating your CPU+ram+mobo to your brother and get yourself some shiny new hardware Probably going to cost quite a bit more than original budget though.

[lyndonguitar]

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

How about donating your CPU+ram+mobo to your brother and get yourself some shiny new hardware Probably going to cost quite a bit more than original budget though.

Thats my second and the best option but sadly i don't have enough money to Buy an i7, ddr3, x58 system. My father also is not a "computer person" so its not his priority right now. But, when i get my first job, WOOO, OVERKILL much. (which is 5 years from now, T_T)

[_JP_]

Originally Posted by lyndonrakista

My brother doesn't need Core i series yet. and why would i buy my brother Core i3,5,7 when i myself don't have one? Haha, so if you were to suggest? which is better? Phenom II x4s or Core 2 Quads? price/performance ratio, not OCing here. so were talking about stock speeds. i'm always supporting and buying Intel but i would also like to try out an AMD system.

Price/Performance ratio...uhm...AMD! Definitely AMD. AMD/ATI solution will be the best combo.

Originally Posted by Fourstaff

How about donating your CPU+ram+mobo to your brother and get yourself some shiny new hardware Probably going to cost quite a bit more than original budget though.

Now that's good thinking! It'll cost more, but it would be worth it!

[LittleLizard]

If you want cheap & cheerful, go amd. buy, say a cheap athlon x4, the 5750 and spend the rest on a good motherboard.