AMD & NVIDIA Video Enhancement Quality Tested

W1zzard · Jun 16, 2010, 07:14 AM

To read this review go to: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HQV/HQV_2.0/

EastCoasthandle · Jun 16, 2010, 04:06 PM

No surprise there. Is the HQV Benchmark 2.0 something users can try for themselves (free/demo)?

W1zzard · Jun 16, 2010, 04:07 PM

unfortunately it's not free, if you are a member of the press, they have a form on their site

WarEagleAU · Jun 16, 2010, 04:23 PM

well you could give us a link to said form, ha ha. Glad to see both ATI and NVidia both are taking control of video processing and realizing it is more movies and content than about games these days.

DannibusX · Jun 16, 2010, 04:25 PM

Nice review! I never even thought of benchmarking for video playback.

mstenholm · Jun 16, 2010, 04:28 PM

Did I miss that part where you did a monitor calibration with a good calibrator? Skin tones will be off with most consumer monitors such as the LG out of the box.

W1zzard · Jun 16, 2010, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mstenholm

Did I miss that part where you did a monitor calibration with a good calibrator? Skin tones will be off with most consumer monitors such as the LG out of the box.

hqv accounts for that by switching a "normal" skin image with a yellow and red image

W1zzard · Jun 16, 2010, 04:37 PM

those are the 3 test images, no matter your calibration you can clearly see the differences.

with proper correction all 3 skin colors will look right and the shirt and background color won't change

Delta6326 · Jun 16, 2010, 04:39 PM

sweet review!

DaC · Jun 16, 2010, 04:40 PM

Does someone knows where to finda a tutorial about image calibration ? I really can't make my mind on how to configure playback settings.
BTW, really nice review Wizz.

mstenholm · Jun 16, 2010, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaC

Does someone knows where to finda a tutorial about image calibration ? I really can't make my mind on how to configure playback settings.
BTW, really nice review Wizz.

First step would be to buy/borrow a calibrator. An cheaper and way less accurate methode is to obtain a correct "exposed" photo and adjust your monitor until you are happy. Lets assume that you took any of these three photos. If your used the first one and got your monitor to show natural skin tones then all other photos/video/what ever would have a wrong color/temperature/gamma.

Izliecies · Jun 16, 2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by W1zzard

those are the 3 test images, no matter your calibration you can clearly see the differences.

with proper correction all 3 skin colors will look right and the shirt and background color won't change

Which one is the "right one"?

Mistral · Jun 16, 2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Izliecies

Which one is the "right one"?

If I had to guess, the first. Or maybe the third. The second one is way off, too yellowish. Then again, that's on my screen.

Great read, thanks W1zz.

newtekie1 · Jun 16, 2010, 05:30 PM

Very interesting read. However, I wonder how much of a difference this actually makes. I mean, it seems to me like this is one of those "you'll notice it when on freeze the image and look at it really really hard, but not when you are actually watching the movie" type of things. I'm being serious here, how much of a real world difference is there between the worst and the best in this test? Is there really going to be a noticeable difference between an HD4290 w/ Defaults or Optimized and an HD5870 w/ Default or Optimized?

erocker · Jun 16, 2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by newtekie1

Very interesting read. However, I wonder how much of a difference this actually makes. I mean, it seems to me like this is one of those "you'll notice it when on freeze the image and look at it really really hard, but not when you are actually watching the movie" type of things. I'm being serious here, how much of a real world difference is there between the worst and the best in this test? Is there really going to be a noticeable difference between an HD4290 w/ Defaults or Optimized and an HD5870 w/ Default or Optimized?

I know I get a pretty drastic difference between my "out of the box" settings for my 5850 and going in CCC and setting my video settings. I remember helping DonInKansas adjust his video settings and he was pretty amazed at the difference.

I do wish both ATi and Nvidia would have a nice mix of different presets to choose from.

Sasqui · Jun 16, 2010, 05:57 PM

Way interesting. Personally, I've been watching more and more DVD content from my PC and noticed a big improvement with my 5870 in 1080 upscale quality from my old 4870 card.(perhaps it's the software...?)

Would like to hear details on what is "optimized"? Was that simply trial and error to find the best driver settings?

air_ii · Jun 16, 2010, 06:12 PM

I read on another forum that the "optimised" settings will be integrated as default in the next Catalyst release (no clue why they didn't do it in the 10.6).

W1zzard · Jun 16, 2010, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by air_ii

I read on another forum that the "optimised" settings will be integrated as default in the next Catalyst release (no clue why they didn't do it in the 10.6).

yes i mentioned that too. what they will enable by default is our "default on" settings.
since our "optimized" ones were test by test, there is no setting that fits all tests

W1zzard · Jun 16, 2010, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasqui

Would like to hear details on what is "optimized"? Was that simply trial and error to find the best driver settings?

yes that's basically it. you can change the sliders with ccc in the foreground and the video in the background will change instantly

wahdangun · Jun 16, 2010, 06:37 PM

wizz, can u give a photo along side the score ? its hard to imagine with just looking in the score.

maybe each photo in out-of-the box, default on, and optimized.

trt740 · Jun 16, 2010, 06:54 PM

Very nice review well done

erocker · Jun 16, 2010, 06:54 PM

Didn't even notice you are using Catalyst 10.6 in this review. Looks like AMD is updating their site right now. Can't wait to try them out.

trickson · Jun 16, 2010, 07:02 PM

THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT REVIEW !!!!!! I want to see them 10.6 drivers and would really love to use that benchmark for mine . But it is not free ( yet ) . Any way keep up the great work .

Sasqui · Jun 16, 2010, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

yes that's basically it. you can change the sliders with ccc in the foreground and the video in the background will change instantly

I can't recall if all of the sliders have the performance vs. quality level listed with them. If so, I think you're saying you simply bumped all of them to highest quality for the best test.

I can't imagine a 5870 even blinking with everything set to highest.

DannibusX · Jun 16, 2010, 07:15 PM

W1z, just wanted to give you a heads up if you didn't know, but Terry Makedon linked this review on his Twitter account.

http://twitter.com/CatalystMaker

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W1zzard Benevolent Dictator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 13,865 (4.17/day) Thanks: 184 Thanked 10,447 Times in 3,216 Posts System Specs	those are the 3 test images, no matter your calibration you can clearly see the differences. with proper correction all 3 skin colors will look right and the shirt and background color won't change

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trickson OH, I have such a headache Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Planet Earth. Posts: 6,154 (1.97/day) Thanks: 1,947 Thanked 922 Times in 757 Posts System Specs	THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT REVIEW !!!!!! I want to see them 10.6 drivers and would really love to use that benchmark for mine . But it is not free ( yet ) . Any way keep up the great work .

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DannibusX Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: United States Posts: 2,052 (1.46/day) Thanks: 786 Thanked 948 Times in 628 Posts System Specs	W1z, just wanted to give you a heads up if you didn't know, but Terry Makedon linked this review on his Twitter account. http://twitter.com/CatalystMaker __________________ “Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a s**t about the rules? Mark it zero!” -Walter Sobchak “Yup, you were 9-2 when you slid it in me.” -MT Alex

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