New Cooling King Thermalright HR-02??

[ebolamonkey3]

I'm sure everyone saw this at Computex '10 but didn't see a thread in this section, so...



From preliminary tests it seems this thing beats everything else by a decent margin, would be very interesting to see how it does against the current air cooling champs. Reviews here.

[cadaveca]

No AMD support..too bad..I love how it's angled towards the rear fan...

[3volvedcombat]

Or get some paper clips
A little drill
Fan controller

and

2x delta's at half rpm which is still epic pressure and airflow

and rape at air cooling !!!!

[RejZoR]

AMD is supported as well. Look at the image...

Otherwise it looks like an insane piece of cooler. Massive as Cooler Master Hyper Z600.
Though it makes me wonder, why have they bothered with Venom-X if this is so much better?

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by RejZoR

AMD is supported as well. Look at the image...

The supporting bracket is not available as of yet, and purchasing one is the stupidest thing ever. It should be in the box, and if it's not, as far as I am concerned, there is no support.

Compatibility list shows 4 boards it won't work with, and says "SOON!" for the other AMD boards.

[ebolamonkey3]

Yea, having to buy AMD brackets is retarded, but doesn't Thermalright include them after initial release?

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by ebolamonkey3

Yea, having to buy AMD brackets is retarded, but doesn't Thermalright include them after initial release?

Yeah, once they figure one out... AMD's mounting system is stupid.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Yeah, once they figure one out...

It's not THAT hard. I blame laziness, 100%. I mean really...I could come up with at least 20 different options in the time it took me to write this post. And no exageration, either...it's so simple I really won't ever buy another TR product because of thier lack of innovation in the AMD department. TRUE was the same way...and their solution there was garbage.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

It's not THAT hard. I blame laziness, 100%. I mean really...I could come up with at least 20 different options in the time it took me to write this post. And no exageration, either...it's so simple I really won't ever buy another TR product because of thier lack of innovation in the AMD department. TRUE was the same way...and their solution there was garbage.

Well, actually it is. There probably are 20 easy solutions, but none of them are viable for actual mass production.

The AM2 mounting system for the TRUE was one of the best on the market. It was a bolt-thru instead of using the crap AMD stock mounting system, which is prone to breaking. PLUS, it is one of the only mounting systems for the AM2 setup that allows the tower to be mounted both horizontally and vertically with the same mounting bracket(most only allow horizontal mounting and offer no vertical mounting option at all). In fact I can't think of another tower style cooler that actually allows this, can you? The reason for this is that the AM2 mounting holes are not a square, but instead the two at the top are close together and the two at the bottom are close together, this makes designing effective brackets for tower style coolers difficult, and IMO Thermalright's bracket is the best solution I've seen.

Then this cooler provides an even greater challenge due to the fact that the tower is offset.

[cadaveca]

Well that bracket actually gives me higher temps that the stock AM2 bracket(which is also bolt-through..I can provide pics, even). the revised one that allowed for both orientations flexed that wee bit more than the stock one, and as such, I consider the "fix" bracket useless.

The easiest solution that can be mass-produced is a simple "E" shape, with a bar that passes through the open ends. This then screws into the stock backplate with spring loading. Heck, they could even modify the existing Circle for Intel to work for AMD. Kinda no-brainer, that one.

[ebolamonkey3]

Good thing then I guess that I'm gonna be using this w/ an i5 750

Still can't wait for Thermalright to start shipping review samples out.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Well that bracket actually gives me higher temps that the stock AM2 bracket(which is also bolt-through..I can provide pics, even). the revised one that allowed for both orientations flexed that wee bit more than the stock one, and as such, I consider the "fix" bracket useless.

Yes, the stock Thermalright AM2 bracket was bolt through, no one said it wasn't. However, most tower style coolers from anyone else just latch onto the real stock AM2 bracket that is provided with the motherboard.

Yes, the difference between the stock ThermalRight bracket and improved bracket lead to a slight temp increase due to the flex, but it wasn't an increase that was worth caring about, and it was also literally a 2 Cent fix on the end user's part if they really worried about it. However, the ability to orient the cooler any way they wanted was worth the flexing, IMO.

Originally Posted by cadaveca

The easiest solution that can be mass-produced is a simple "E" shape, with a bar that passes through the open ends. This then screws into the stock backplate with spring loading. Heck, they could even modify the existing Circle for Intel to work for AMD. Kinda no-brainer, that one.

Ok, the E would work to mount it vertically, but what about mounting it horizontally? The E wouldn't work. So it would need two brackets instead of one universal, which is not marketably viable.

[cadaveca]

It would work either way, IMHO, same as the 775/1156/1366 circle does. Heck, a quad of "nipples" for hte AMD socket, and you are good to go with the one now!! Lots of ways to design a working bracket.

I mean, this heatsink looks GOOD. But without proper AMD mounting, it's useless to me(naturally). Anyway, Horizontal is not meant for this cooler...it's very specifically designed to make use of the rear case fan to run passively. Hence the boards already removed from compatibility lists, I think!(FET heatsinks in the way)

If waterblocks and other coolers can have mounts, this can too. I mean, sure, I agree that there is more work involved than the square mount that Intel uses, but I do not agree that's it's overly difficult.

"If there is a will, there is a way", but obviously, the will was not there, or the bracket would be there too. That says ALOT to me...the product is not ready yet.

[newtekie1]

That is the problem with the AM2 setup, it doesn't work either way. If it is long enough to reach the screws, when you rotate it it is too wide and hits the memory or the mosfet cooler. That is specifically why the solutions that work with Intel don't work with AMD. If you don't believe me, take the stock AM2 plastic mount and rotate it 90° and see everything that it would hit on the board.



That should give you an idea(forgive my poor Photoshop skills). Any mounthing bracket like the "E", that is long enough to reach the holes one way, would only work that way. If you rotate the same braket it goes into the memory and mosfet area.

[cadaveca]

Minor niggles, to me. No excuse is good enough to not delay a release, if mounting hardware is not available. Unless you are trying to tell me that ThermalRight is in financial trouble, and HAS to release without the listed mounts ready...

It's like you buying a videocard, but with no display outputs, because they weren't ready, to me. The usefulness of the product is just the same...

I not saying you are not correct about AMD mounts being more problematic...it's just screams incompetence to me for them to release without a working AMD bracket. Current reviews did not receive an AMD bracket..so this product is not finished from my perspective.


So, they are putting a non-complete product on the shelves, and are likely to pass off the cost of the bracket onto AMD users, rather than doing it right, and having the bracket in the box on release. That screams "cashgrab" to me.

Even a crappy mount would be OK...my problem is that currently...there is NONE. NO excuses allowed for that. You don't list compatibility for AM2/AM3, and not have a bracket for it...it's only compatible with a bracket that doesn't exist yet!

[phanbuey]

WOW... but WTF where is my fan god dammit.

[Paulieg]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Minor niggles, to me. No excuse is good enough to not delay a release, if mounting hardware is not available. Unless you are trying to tell me that ThermalRight is in financial trouble, and HAS to release without the listed mounts ready...

It's like you buying a videocard, but with no display outputs, because they weren't ready, to me. The usefulness of the product is just the same...

I not saying you are not correct about AMD mounts being more problematic...it's just screams incompetence to me for them to release without a working AMD bracket. Current reviews did not receive an AMD bracket..so this product is not finished from my perspective.


So, they are putting a non-complete product on the shelves, and are likely to pass off the cost of the bracket onto AMD users, rather than doing it right, and having the bracket in the box on release. That screams "cashgrab" to me.

Even a crappy mount would be OK...my problem is that currently...there is NONE. NO excuses allowed for that. You don't list compatibility for AM2/AM3, and not have a bracket for it...it's only compatible with a bracket that doesn't exist yet!

THIS. Either just scrap the AMD support altogether, or sell it with appropriate hardware for the platforms you claim to support. Just a big FAIL here from this perspective.

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Minor niggles, to me. No excuse is good enough to not delay a release, if mounting hardware is not available. Unless you are trying to tell me that ThermalRight is in financial trouble, and HAS to release without the listed mounts ready...

It's like you buying a videocard, but with no display outputs, because they weren't ready, to me. The usefulness of the product is just the same...

I not saying you are not correct about AMD mounts being more problematic...it's just screams incompetence to me for them to release without a working AMD bracket. Current reviews did not receive an AMD bracket..so this product is not finished from my perspective.


So, they are putting a non-complete product on the shelves, and are likely to pass off the cost of the bracket onto AMD users, rather than doing it right, and having the bracket in the box on release. That screams "cashgrab" to me.

Even a crappy mount would be OK...my problem is that currently...there is NONE. NO excuses allowed for that. You don't list compatibility for AM2/AM3, and not have a bracket for it...it's only compatible with a bracket that doesn't exist yet!

Well, I really don't see a reason why the current bracket for the MUX-120 wouldn't work, technically. However, it wouldn't have the pressure adjustment that fixes the flex problem you feel makes the product useless. So they could include the current AM2 bracket, and degrade the quality of the product, or stick to their reputation of not releasing poor quality products and wait until they have an appropriate solution. And yes, AMD users should pay for the extra developement costs of a new bracket for their system. But yes, I would say just don't support AMD hardware anymore unless it can be done right, so no current cooler should have AMD support, because none are done right.

It also seems like Thermalright has in fact removed the AM2 support from their marketting, as it only lists 775/1156/1366 on their site.

[douglatins]

That is passive dude. But great at that.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by newtekie1

Well, I really don't see a reason why the current bracket for the MUX-120 wouldn't work, technically. However, it wouldn't have the pressure adjustment that fixes the flex problem you feel makes the product useless. So they could include the current AM2 bracket, and degrade the quality of the product, or stick to their reputation of not releasing poor quality products and wait until they have an appropriate solution. And yes, AMD users should pay for the extra developement costs of a new bracket for their system. But yes, I would say just don't support AMD hardware anymore unless it can be done right, so no current cooler should have AMD support, because none are done right.

Yeah, I hear ya...my issues simply stems from that pic up there saying it supports AM2/AM3, yet it does not in it's current form, as no bracket is available. I understand why it's not available yet...but to me, they should not have listed compatibility for AM2/AM3 until the bracket was complete.

They say it supports AM2/AM3, but it will probably require purchasing a bracket...which means that it DOESN'T support AMD sockets...if that listing in the OP said:

"(AM2/AM3 requires seperate add-on bracket)"

Then fine.

But it's plain false advertizing without the bracket in the box. Without buying additional hardware, at this point(as I can buy one right this second), this heatsink DOES NOT SUPPORT AM2/AM3. And because you cannot get the bracket today, they are lying...small niggles, but I'm all about being open and honest, and that graphic in the OP is anything but honest.

The one thing is, you are very right that the bracket design is very important...TRUE weighs 790g, and this one more than 1/2 a pound more than that, @ 1100g. that's like 2.5lbs!

No sweat of my back to wait for a good bracket...I love the fact you can run this one passively! If it wasn't for the missing AM2/AM3 support, I'd buy one...TODAY!!!

[newtekie1]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Yeah, I hear ya...my issues simply stems from that pic up there saying it supports AM2/AM3, yet it does not in it's current form, as no bracket is available. I understand why it's not available yet...but to me, they should not have listed compatibility for AM2/AM3 until the bracket was complete.

They say it supports AM2/AM3, but it will probably require purchasing a bracket...which means that it DOESN'T support AMD sockets...if that listing in the OP said:

"(AM2/AM3 requires seperate add-on bracket)"

Then fine.

But it's plain false advertizing without the bracket in the box. Without buying additional hardware, at this point(as I can buy one right this second), this heatsink DOES NOT SUPPORT AM2/AM3. And because you cannot get the bracket today, they are lying...small niggles, but I'm all about being open and honest, and that graphic in the OP is anything but honest.


The one thing is, you are very right that the bracket design is very important...TRUE weighs 790g, and this one more than 1/2 a pound more than that, @ 1100g. that's like 2.5lbs!

No sweat of my back to wait for a good bracket...I love the fact you can run this one passively! If it wasn't for the missing AM2/AM3 support, I'd buy one...TODAY!!!

You realize the picture if from NordicHardware not Thermalright, and Thermalright's site doesn't list AM2 support, right?

[cadaveca]

Yeah, I was just editing my post, as you edited yours while I was posting. TR should get on them about that pic, and it's all good.

BTW:

http://www.thermalright.com/layout/s...1%2BoZ59xP27j4

and wow, the OP listed 1100g, but TR says 860 g?

http://www.thermalright.com/products...at_id=27&id=95


OK, I gotta back off of TR here, and blame NordicHardware. Lots of errors there, it seems.

[newtekie1]

I wouldn't be surprised if that actually was a press release picture from TR from way before the cooler was actually released, but obviously when they said "Spec subject to change without notice." they meant it. Though that is also why I think this is an early press image for the cooler, and obviously the retail marketting material has changed so it isn't misleading AM2 users.

[cadaveca]

I suppose so. heh.


Interesting, I wonder how much else NordicHardware has wrong on thier site......maybe they should vet things before posting them!



Like really, NH needs to pull that pic. I hope TR gets on them to do so, and ASAP.

[m1dg3t]

I wanted this cooler but couldn't find it for sale anywhere so i settled on the VenomousX

I'd like to see some review's once they become available (hint hint TPU ) Hopefully the pricing will be better than what it currently is

I think Thermalright is working at trying to find a good AMD mounting setup and is the reason why there isn't one listed as of yet, i mean look at all their other mounting setup's they are the best IMHO

My $0.02 of course