SSD RAID ARRAY Keeps Failing (SB850 chipset)

[$immond$]

I have 2 Kingston V-series Gen 2 64Gb set in RAID 0. However I kept getting odd error messages before installing windows 7 on it eg.) Windows 7 cannot install on firewire IEEE 1394 or USB devices. After formatting the drives and finally getting windows 7 to recognize the RAID 0 array (using ATI SB7xx/SB8xx RAID Drivers) I was able to install it....

Now my rig's drivers and benches I run randomly fail and it restarts, after the computer posts and boots again I get message: (RAID ARRAY OFFLINE)

The only way I can get it to boot into windows is with a cold boot...

I am beginning lose my cool with my computer..... Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I am not sure if my chipset are causing issues or if its my SSD drives are the ones that keep failing.

I read somewhere that the SB850 Chipset has issues with sata 2 SSD's running in sata 3.

[OSWiz]

Well, a RAID array with SSDs gives up TRIM support, which, long-term, is something you would want. I'd recommend using one for OS and fav games, and the other for the rest.

[trickson]

Originally Posted by OSWiz

Well, a RAID array with SSDs gives up TRIM support, which, long-term, is something you would want. I'd recommend using one for OS and fav games, and the other for the rest.

Agreed .

[$immond$]

I understand I lose trim with RAID array, but I want to know why the RAID array keeps failing and I get these odd errors and random resets.

[trickson]

Originally Posted by $immond$

I understand I lose trim with RAID array, but I want to know why the RAID array keeps failing and I get these odd errors and random resets.

Sounds like maybe your sata II can not run sata 3 ? Maybe a drive is going out ? I do not know enough about your config or this new tech to make the assumption .

I would try them separately first each one see if this still happens then you may get your answer .

[$immond$]

890GX = SB850 chipset (ATI SB7xx/SB8xx RAID Drivers) SATA 3
SSD = Toshiba branded JMicron JMF618 controller SATA 2

It seems that other people are having this problem in other forum sites.
I am beginning to wonder why I sold my Intel Rig for AMD...

So it was confirmed at overclock.net and Anand's forums that the SB850 has problems with RAID arrays for SSD's, another reason why I should never have gotten an AMD rig.

Thanks for the heads up AMD!!!

[trickson]

Originally Posted by $immond$

890GX = SB850 chipset (ATI SB7xx/SB8xx RAID Drivers) SATA 3
SSD = Toshiba branded JMicron JMF618 controller SATA 2

It seems that other people are having this problem in other forum sites.
I am beginning to wonder why I sold my Intel Rig for AMD...

So it was confirmed at overclock.net and Anand's forums that the SB850 has problems with RAID arrays for SSD's, another reason why I should never have gotten an AMD rig.

Thanks for the heads up AMD!!!

Yeah I like Intel now . They are much more flexible .

[Batou1986]

I must agree switched to a board with ihc10 no more annoyance trying to get ahci and NQC to work
RAID with SSD is just a no go right now there's to much that's untested. On the bright side with the the popularity of the SSD drives i bet we will see a new RAID spec soon with TRIM support and other SSD goodness.

[$immond$]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2083024

Lot of people having trouble with SSDs on AMD south bridge. Basically if you want to use SSDs on AMD chipsets you need to use IDE (no RAID or AHCI) mode, which results in performance loss. Until AMD can fix this issue I don't think changing boards will help.

Looks like I should have never strayed from Intel. It seems like AMD/ATI are taking their sweet time to fix the issue. I need a raid card, which means giving up one of my crossfire 5770's.

Fuck AMD.

[trickson]

Originally Posted by $immond$

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2083024



Looks like I should have never strayed from Intel. It seems like AMD/ATI are taking their sweet time to fix the issue. I need a raid card, which means giving up one of my crossfire 5770's.

Fuck AMD.

Man you can give one to me trade you my 2 WD 500GB HDD's for one 5770 . Yeah AMD is lacking in some real key areas right now and SSD is starting to make a real impact in the desktop area now . MINE IS SO FAST !

[$immond$]

I think I might just sell my board and proc and buy a real set up.

I am just so pissed with the fact that AMD/ATI has poor raid/ahci support.

I should have never given AMD/ATI the benefit of the doubt.

[trickson]

Originally Posted by $immond$

I think I might just sell my board and proc and buy a real set up.

I am just so pissed with the fact that AMD/ATI has poor raid/ahci support.

I should have never given AMD/ATI the benefit of the doubt.

Well it is just AMD not the ATI part as ATI is really sweet .
Intel FTW baby ! OH man sorry just had to feed into the AMD buyers remorse

[$immond$]

I could just keep one SSD use that as boot drive and keep the trim but once you go RAID 0 you don't really wanna go back.

[trickson]

Originally Posted by $immond$

I could just keep one SSD use that as boot drive and keep the trim but once you go RAID 0 you don't really wanna go back.

I know .

But I think the advantage of having TRIM ranther than raid is the way it works to keep the SSD Drive running fast and for a longer time . Life time that is they are supposed to out last Hard drives . Hard drives have lasted me for 10 years . ( How would they really know in such a short time they have been available to us ? ) So I can not say this for sure .

[WarEagleAU]

no, not f amd. I will admit that the Jmicron controller you are using was known to have issues as well. It does suck that this awesome 890FX chipset has issues on the SB with Raid setups. I would assume very shortly (1-2 months) AMD will have this fixed. Sorry you are having issues. I was wanting to get a couple SSDs here in the next few months and try raiding them out.

On a side note, MaximumPC had issues with an Intel X58 board (EVGA SR-1 or 2 forgot what the model is) setting up raids on two OCZ Vertex 2 200GB SSDs.

[$immond$]

I really miss my Intel Rig. I was going to run disk keeper to keep my SSD's running a little faster for my RAID 0 Setup, but the chipset is so fucked Running RAID 0 with SSD's is like running diesel in an gasoline engine.

Not gonna Happen.

[trickson]

Originally Posted by $immond$

I really miss my Intel Rig. I was going to run disk keeper to keep my SSD's running a little faster for my RAID 0 Setup, but the chipset is so fucked Running RAID 0 with SSD's is like running diesel in an gasoline engine.

Not gonna Happen.

Man I know .. I don't miss mine , I am sticking with it for a little longer .

[erocker]

Originally Posted by $immond$

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2083024



Looks like I should have never strayed from Intel. It seems like AMD/ATI are taking their sweet time to fix the issue. I need a raid card, which means giving up one of my crossfire 5770's.

Fuck AMD.

Load of crap. I'm running a SSD on raid mode right now along with two other drives in raid 0. Works great.

[$immond$]

Originally Posted by erocker

Load of crap. I'm running a SSD on raid mode right now along with two other drives in raid 0. Works great.

Yea RAID 0 works great for HD's, not so much for 2 SSD's in RAID 0.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by $immond$

Yea RAID 0 works great for HD's, not so much for 2 SSD's in RAID 0.

Just have the SSD's connected to the ports and set them for RAID 0 in your bios. You will need the RAID drivers (downloaded from your motherboards website) on a flash drive or floppy disk. When you get to the option on where to install Windows, you need to load your Raid drivers there from the drive/floppy. Whether it's one or more ssd's in the RAID array doesn't matter.

[$immond$]

Originally Posted by erocker

Just have the SSD's connected to the ports and set them for RAID 0 in your bios. You will need the RAID drivers (downloaded from your motherboards website) on a flash drive or floppy disk. When you get to the option on where to install Windows, you need to load your Raid drivers there from the drive/floppy. Whether it's one or more ssd's in the RAID array doesn't matter.

If you read the first paragraph of the thread, it states I have already done that. I am using the latest RAID drivers from my motherboard vendor, I downloaded the RAID drivers to my external HD and installed them off there. All the problems seem to happen when Windows 7 is already installed on the disks already set in RAID 0 (the RAID array failing and all the errors that occur).

Using ATI SB7xx/SB8xx RAID Drivers from MSI.

Both drives work fine if not set up in RAID 0, win 7 recognizes them and windows can be installed to each disk independently.

[erocker]

Do you have any other drives hooked up?

[$immond$]

Originally Posted by erocker

Do you have any other drives hooked up?

No I had 2x 640GB WD Blacks Sata 3 in RAID 0 connected but I took them out,(They work/boot fine no issues) I just have the 2X 64Gb Kingston V series Gen 2 connected when both are connected in RAID 0 is when I get all the issues. I researched at other forum sites and found allot of people are having problems running 2 SSD's in RAID 0 with the 850 chipset and drivers.

AMD needs to fix that issue, one way to work around it is to switch back to Intel or get a new RAID card.

[erocker]

Originally Posted by $immond$

No I had 2x 640GB WD Blacks Sata 3 in RAID 0 connected but I took them out,(They work/boot fine no issues) I just have the 2X 64Gb Kingston V series Gen 2 connected when both are connected in RAID 0 is when I get all the issues. I researched at other forum sites and found allot of people are having problems running 2 SSD's in RAID 0 with the 850 chipset and drivers.

AMD needs to fix that issue, one way to work around it is to switch back to Intel or get a new RAID card.

Well, that sucks I guess. My condolences. Good luck with whatever you decide on doing.

[$immond$]

The problem is, that raid cards are expensive and I will need a new mobo just to get a RAID card as all my slots are used up by my vid cards.
I guess I could just spend $300 on an SSD drive and use that instead of 2 in RAID 0, its just I can never run SSD's in RAID 0 until AMD fixes that issue.

It sucks because 2x 64Gb Kingston v series gen2 in RAID 0 are blazing fast 480 Read 180 Write. (what I got until my computer crashed and rebooted)