Australian goverment confirmed, FTTH for aussies!

Mussels · Sep 7, 2010, 06:40 AM

So to those who have no idea what that means, we finally have our new government decided, and they're giving all aussies access (over the next few years) to FTTH - fiber to the home internet.

100Mb is the initial rollout, with business options going up to 1Gb per line. speeds are confirmed at a minimum (assuming you pay your ISP for these speeds) of 80Mb down, 40Mb up.

Most early speeds will be similar to our current offerings of 10Mb down 1Mb up, thus lowering the load on the network in its early stages.

so... comments from americans on fiber? jealous foreign countries stuck on dial up? aussies who are shitting their pants that we're finally getting off tel$tras copper network of overpricing and poor service?

bit of side notes for non aussies

Spoiler

edit 2:
since questions about the internet filter came up, i'll comment on that as well.

Its split somewhat evenly in government (and very anti-filter outside of there).

The two groups are basically:
Old guys who are IT illieterate saying "think of the children and support the filter, or you're a pedophile" and the group saying "umm, supervise the damn kids instead?"

the technically minded in charge of the filter know its a pile of crap, it only blocks HTTP web addresses, so you can still do all sorts of naughty things via proxies or torrents.

at the moment its dead in the water - hopefully the new govmt is willing to scrap it completely, and focus on making money from the NBN instead.

crazy pyro · Sep 7, 2010, 06:50 AM

Lucky Bastard!
Does this government dislike daft things like the filter etc?

Mussels · Sep 7, 2010, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy pyro

Lucky Bastard!
Does this government dislike daft things like the filter etc?

the filter may still go ahead, but for now its dead in the water.

most people i know follow the one line of thinking:

vote for whoever gets the FTTN network up and running, then vote for whoever opposes the filter next election.

did an edit to the first post with a spoiler section, giving a bit more insight for you foreigners.

Solaris17 · Sep 7, 2010, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mussels

the filter may still go ahead, but for now its dead in the water.

most people i know follow the one line of thinking:

vote for whoever gets the FTTN network up and running, then vote for whoever opposes the filter next election.

did an edit to the first post with a spoiler section, giving a bit more insight for you foreigners.

lol we need the insight and your the one just getting fiber :P

crazy pyro · Sep 7, 2010, 06:56 AM

Solaris, in the UK we have patches of fiber and patches of not fiber, unfortunately I'm stuck in a patch without fiber!
Good news about the filter at least being dead in the water though Mussels!

Mussels · Sep 7, 2010, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Solaris17

lol we need the insight and your the one just getting fiber :P

not many foreigners would know who telstra is, and why we hate them :P

no one else could get away with running phone lines zip tied to an electric fence on farm properties and charging the customer money for it even when it doesnt work.

Solaris17 · Sep 7, 2010, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mussels

not many foreigners would know who telstra is, and why we hate them :P

no one else could get away with running phone lines zip tied to an electric fence on farm properties and charging the customer money for it even when it doesnt work.

hahaha that was halarious. im surprised their hasnt been some sort of revolution. down their in OZ

<<Onafets>> · Sep 7, 2010, 07:00 AM

F.m.l...

Mussels · Sep 7, 2010, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by <<Onafets>>

F.m.l...

why? fiber for you!

Luke · Sep 7, 2010, 07:02 AM

When i get home tonight i will post some pics of my phone line then you will see the zip ties and electric fence

Solaris17 · Sep 7, 2010, 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mussels

why? fiber for you!

hes the CEO of telstra bro :/

DriedFrogPills · Sep 7, 2010, 07:03 AM

and it was the NBN that secured the backing of one of the indies as well. And as for the filter its well and truely dead now. even CONroy dumped it before the election.

though the NBN was the only real nation building item of vision int he whole election

@Onafets, do you really not want 100mbps internet. and a carbon price

<<Onafets>> · Sep 7, 2010, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mussels

why? fiber for you!

Yeah...and my kids are paying the debt...
Oh yeah...and F*** telstra...

Mussels · Sep 7, 2010, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by <<Onafets>>

Yeah...and my kids are paying the debt...
Oh yeah...and F*** telstra...

its ok, your kids have kidneys to sell off.

Solaris17 · Sep 7, 2010, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mussels

its ok, your kids have kidneys to sell off.

you only need 1

<<Onafets>> · Sep 7, 2010, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mussels

its ok, your kids have kidneys to sell off.

Your constant stimulation of my Lolling abilities makes it all the better...

DriedFrogPills · Sep 7, 2010, 07:19 AM

so you would prefer your kids had no jobs because the GFC bail out didn't happen and you kids are doomed to living in a technological backwater? just because you don't want a debt? Australia came out in a FAR better position in the world economy after the GFC, why? because we spent to support businesses and jobs which better places the future governments to pay off the debt. And do you really think Tony Abbott could have paid of the debt with the Liberals inability to do maths

Luke · Sep 7, 2010, 07:58 AM

Just so you know why us Aussies hate Telstra this is my phone line
It has been like this for years and we have given up ringing Telstra

Now I can only hope that I get FTTH where I live

<<Onafets>> · Sep 7, 2010, 08:01 AM

I don't really care TBH...I just want lag-less net...

Not you Luke, I'm not that mean when I'm pissed

Oh and on the topic of faster net, what use is it when my pr0nz won't load faster?

Solaris17 · Sep 7, 2010, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke

Just so you know why us Aussies hate Telstra this is my phone line
It has been like this for years and we have given up ringing Telstra

Now I can only hope that I get FTTH where I live

http://img.techpowerup.org/100907/100_0815499.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/100907/100_0816.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/100907/100_0811.jpg

are you serious?

Luke · Sep 7, 2010, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solaris17

are you serious?

Very
Has been like that for years and Telstra have been telling us for years that they will fix it but they never come
Even that taped up bit is there professional repair

Solaris17 · Sep 7, 2010, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke

Very
Has been like that for years and Telstra have been telling us for years that they will fix it but they never come
Even that taped up bit is there professional repair

i dont even know what to say to that.

Triprift · Sep 7, 2010, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke

Just so you know why us Aussies hate Telstra this is my phone line
It has been like this for years and we have given up ringing Telstra

Now I can only hope that I get FTTH where I live

http://img.techpowerup.org/100907/100_0815499.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/100907/100_0816.jpg
http://img.techpowerup.org/100907/100_0811.jpg

Lol gotta love Telstra hopeless.

But great news about the NBN network being a goer this ADSL2+ is too slow.

Mussels · Sep 7, 2010, 11:25 AM

apart from dodgy crap like lukes experiencing, the main problem is that most of the network backbones are still copper, so they cant provide enough bandwidth atm to provide speeds to everyone in peak hours. thats the biggest benefit to the FTTH - even in areas that DONT get it, moving them off the copper network will make the remaining bandwidth spread out more evenly and make it a happier place for everyone... well, except 3G/nextG users.

competition will also force telstra to lower prices in non FTTH areas.

TL;DR: even if you arent in an FTTH area, your net will still end up faster and cheaper.

AsRock · Sep 7, 2010, 11:28 AM

Cool about bloody time too, a friend (old D2 player )who lives over there has been waiting for improvements i just hope that the prices are good to boot.

Maybe he could get this by D3 release :P

.

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