I need a decent pc!What config.?

[heertzy]

Hi everybody!

I want to build my first pc and i'm not sure which is better :AMD or Intel?

First af all, I can't spent more than 1000$
Second,I can't wait for Conroe and I need something steady and easy to install.
Third, I'm outside US and here I can't find AM2 mobos yet.

For an AMD config I was thinking that the following is a right one:

Athlon 64 3200+ Venice
Epox 9NPA+Ultra or ASRock 939Dual-Sata2
Corsair VS 1GB PC3200
WD Caviar SE 16 250GB
BFG geForce 7600GT OC 256MB
NEC ND 3550A
Antec P150 or Antec SLK3000B/Tagan TG 480-U22

For the Intel instead, what about Pentium D 930?But the problem is the mobo for it.
Asus P5LD2 support it?Some people said didn't!Or better ASRock 775XFire-ESata2?My BFG is compatible with it?

Please help me to choose an alternative.I need suggestions.
I don't care about SLI or Crossfire features ,and I'm not an expert at OCing.
I need a solid rock sistem.

Thanks.

[gygabite]

Do you want to use it for gaming, multimedia or office apps?

[heertzy]

Originally Posted by gygabite

Do you want to use it for gaming, multimedia or office apps?

In equal shares for gaming,office,some Macromedia and Adobe app. but not hi-end professional use, maybe a little more gaming

I need a resonable pc for at least 2 year.Conroe will be an expensive config. this year, I supose,and I had't money for Athlon 64 X2 3800+ yet...
Intel D 930 had a good price now...

Help me!!!

thanks

[gygabite]

LITE-ON 16X DVD±R DVD Burner Black $34.99

ASPIRE X-Dreamer II ATXB4KLW-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 420W Power Supply $59.99

Maxtor DiamondMax 10 6V250F0 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive $71.00

MSI K8N Neo4-F Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 ATX AMD Motherboard $71.99

SAPPHIRE 100106SR-RD Radeon X850XT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card $169.00

LITE-ON Beige IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model SOHD-16P9S $19.99

GIGABYTE GH-ED821-LC 94 mm Ball Blue LED Light CPU Cooling Fan with Heatsink $14.99

CORSAIR ValueSelect 1GB (2 x 512MB) DDR 400 Dual Channel Kit $79.99

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice Socket 939 Processor $118.99
Total: $640.93
How about this?

[heertzy]

Interesting;
in your opinion is better AMD's way!

Why?Can you explain me?

About the case,must choose between the two previously indicated, because yours I can't find it here.
The videocard was already buyed (the BFG )
Did you think that MSI is better than Epox? MSI is cheaper,at a bargain...is good for me.

Thanks

[_33]

Originally Posted by heertzy

Hi everybody!

I want to build my first pc and i'm not sure which is better :AMD or Intel?

First af all, I can't spent more than 1000$
Second,I can't wait for Conroe and I need something steady and easy to install.
Third, I'm outside US and here I can't find AM2 mobos yet.

For an AMD config I was thinking that the following is a right one:

Athlon 64 3200+ Venice
Epox 9NPA+Ultra or ASRock 939Dual-Sata2
Corsair VS 1GB PC3200
WD Caviar SE 16 250GB
BFG geForce 7600GT OC 256MB
NEC ND 3550A
Antec P150 or Antec SLK3000B/Tagan TG 480-U22

For the Intel instead, what about Pentium D 930?But the problem is the mobo for it.
Asus P5LD2 support it?Some people said didn't!Or better ASRock 775XFire-ESata2?My BFG is compatible with it?

Please help me to choose an alternative.I need suggestions.
I don't care about SLI or Crossfire features ,and I'm not an expert at OCing.
I need a solid rock sistem.

Thanks.

Suggestions:
- AMD 64 3500+ is now quite cheap. The 3800+ X2 will be 150$ very soon.
- Do not use Value Select from Corsair with AMD rig, it is incompatible!
- ASUS AN8 is also a good mobo
- 500 to 600 watts PSU suggested. Antec must be good.

[Scheich]

I would suggest to wait a month at least to see how the prices are evolving. There´s alot of changes right now everywhere. If you really need to buy NOW you should compare how easily
you can overclock Pentium D and the Amd X2. In this repect, the Intel looks much easier, you
simply raise the FSB without overclocking anything. Cooling will be an Issue, as always with
Intel. I am pretty sure they lied in their review. Just find someone who did it already :-)

Upcoming games will be very demanding soon, there will be more, even major changes over this, i think. Stay low, save your money for next year.

[gygabite]

Originally Posted by heertzy

Interesting;
in your opinion is better AMD's way!

Why?Can you explain me?

In games AMD processors score a bit better than Intel's P4 processors.
if you play games like BF2, an AMD processor would be the better choice.

[heertzy]

Originally Posted by _33

Suggestions:

- Do not use Value Select from Corsair with AMD rig, it is incompatible!

Recommend me some other compatible DDR from corsair,geil,pqi,G.skill...

Originally Posted by _33

- ASUS AN8 is also a good mobo
- 500 to 600 watts PSU suggested. Antec must be good.

Antec P150 don't work with Asus's mobos.It's about Smartpower antec's psu .But you are sure it's Asus AN8? Or is Abit AN8 SLI? or Asus A8N-E...Be more specific please.

thanks

There is a more technical explanination for why AMD is better than Intel but I think even at a lower speed the AMD is faster. Especially in games.(this may change with Conroe)

The MSI and Epox are both very good mobos.(no AS Rock)

If you use the X850 or the 7600 you do not need a powerful PS(over 400 watts) especially with only 1 HDD.

If you dont OC value ram is fine but try to get a ram that has a CAS of 2 or 2.5

[heertzy]

Originally Posted by Scheich

I would suggest to wait a month at least to see how the prices are evolving. There´s alot of changes right now everywhere. If you really need to buy NOW you should compare how easily
you can overclock Pentium D and the Amd X2. In this repect, the Intel looks much easier, you
simply raise the FSB without overclocking anything. Cooling will be an Issue, as always with
Intel. I am pretty sure they lied in their review. Just find someone who did it already :-)

Upcoming games will be very demanding soon, there will be more, even major changes over this, i think. Stay low, save your money for next year.

Quit correct!But my old rig is an old Pentium III 733MHz,i can't wait no more for the next year!!!
The question is: NOW! Intel or AMD?

Help me please

[heertzy]

Originally Posted by markkleb

If you dont OC value ram is fine but try to get a ram that has a CAS of 2 or 2.5

If is not corsair?what about G.skill(512x2 ) pc3200 400MHz 2-3-3-6-2T?Tell me more about DDR compatibility.

Thanks

[gygabite]

Try this ram:
CL 2.5
pqi TURBO (2 x 512MB) DDR SDRAM DDR 400 $89.99
OCZ Value Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) DDR SDRAM DDR 400 $83.49
CL 2
CORSAIR XMS 1GB (2 x 512MB) DDR SDRAM DDR 400 $102.00
Kingston HyperX 1GB (2 x 512MB) DDR SDRAM DDR 400 $92.50
But a 400W PSU is enough i think

[gygabite]

If you want an intel:
Intel Pentium D 940 $244.99
ASUS P5LD2 Socket T LGA 775 Intel 945P ATX $119.99

Gskill, Mushkin,Corsair,Geil,OCZ,PQI,Crucial all are good memories.
Some say there is compatability issues with some memory but I have never seen it.
The lower CAS is a little faster (better quality) CAS 3 is the value ram and while they work fine the CAS 2 and 2.5 are a little faster and higher quailty. And since the prices now are so close get the better stuff.

You listed 2-3-3-6-2T and that is fine but try for 2-2-2-5-1T if you can.
The 2T and 1T usually has to be changed in the bios but makes a difference in how fast the memory runs (1T is better)

And if ur not confused enough dont forget there is AM2 also (for about the same price)

[_33]

Originally Posted by heertzy

Recommend me some other compatible DDR from corsair,geil,pqi,G.skill...

Antec P150 don't work with Asus's mobos.It's about Smartpower antec's psu .But you are sure it's Asus AN8? Or is Abit AN8 SLI? or Asus A8N-E...Be more specific please.

thanks

Forget the Asus, get a DFI Lanparty Venus, or wait a month or two for the newer DFI boards, and by that time the cpus will be cheaper and DDR2 will be more affordable at 2GB DDR800.

*** NOW is not a good time to buy ***

[heertzy]

Originally Posted by gygabite

If you want an intel:
Intel Pentium D 940 $244.99
ASUS P5LD2 Socket T LGA 775 Intel 945P ATX $119.99

For a little bit more I can grab an Athlon 64 X2 3800+
It could be a better choice?
Some guys told me that this mobo don't support pentium D 930,D 940...is true?

[heertzy]

Originally Posted by markkleb

And if ur not confused enough dont forget there is AM2 also (for about the same price)

Fortunately a'm outside US and here it's impossible find AM2 mobos yet.

The problem is that i can't wait no more.Intel Pentium D 9xx Or AMD Athlon 64 skt 939 , this is the question!
Not Conroe or AM2

Thanks

[_33]

Originally Posted by heertzy

Fortunately a'm outside US and here it's impossible find AM2 mobos yet.

The problem is that i can't wait no more.Intel Pentium D 9xx Or AMD Athlon 64 skt 939 , this is the question!
Not Conroe or AM2

Thanks

OK, if you're an advanced user, get a DFI Lanparty UT NF4-Ultra (not the SLI model), and get a Athlon A64 3200+. For memory, Kingston KVR 2GB kit works perfect, ignore KVR 1GB kits, some are not compatible. Or go for OCZ value ram, they are perfect and overclock nicely.

[heertzy]

Originally Posted by _33

Forget the Asus, get a DFI Lanparty Venus, or wait a month or two for the newer DFI boards, and by that time the cpus will be cheaper and DDR2 will be more affordable at 2GB DDR800.

*** NOW is not a good time to buy ***

WOW! Great mobo!The price is great too!
I know ,is not a good time to buy,but my rig is very old
And I must be under 1000$.

[heertzy]

Originally Posted by _33

OK, if you're an advanced user,......

And if i'm not?

Thanks

[gygabite]

ok, if you can afford it, use the X2 3800+, its better

[_33]

Originally Posted by heertzy

And if i'm not?

Thanks

Markkleb stated Epox earlier . The board isn't expensive, btu has a great bios for tweaking and you'll have a lot of fun with that as well.

[heertzy]

Originally Posted by gygabite

ok, if you can afford it, use the X2 3800+, its better

And if I grab now 3200+ venice at a bargain price and after 3 month a'll upgrade to the X2 3800+ ?
Now i'v a restricted budget so...