ATI and Xbox 360

[TNTTNT]

Hi all,

I am excited because a new F1 game, F1 2010, and I am a keen follower of the sport.

I have an i7 core 920 with 4gb of DDR3 Ram. On the graphics side I have a ATI Radeon Sapphire HD 4850 512MB GDDR3.

Is this system powerful enough to run the F1 2010 game, or am I better served getting the Xbox 360 version? The Xbox 360 is quite old now, but specifically built for the task of playing games.

[AltecV1]

Originally Posted by TNTTNT

Hi all,

I am excited because a new F1 game, F1 2010, and I am a keen follower of the sport.

I have an i7 core 920 with 4gb of DDR3 Ram. On the graphics side I have a ATI Radeon Sapphire HD 4850 512MB GDDR3.

Is this system powerful enough to run the F1 2010 game, or am I better served getting the Xbox 360 version? The Xbox 360 is quite old now, but specifically built for the task of playing games.

your system will demolish the cra..xbox360 in every possible way so best to get it on the PC,throw in a steering wheel for the best experience

[TNTTNT]

Wow, I wasn't sure which was the better system for this game, and didn't realise my PC could perform that well. I built this i7 PC as my first system build and tried to keep it reasonable for all tasks.

I am not really up on graphics cards, so had no idea of how good the ATI was when I ordered.

Wow....wow.

I have a Microsoft wheel from 2000, so hopefully this should still be fine to use.

Thanks again mate.

[CDdude55]

Your i7 system should be more then enough to play F1, and if you have a wheel that makes it even better!!

But if you didn't have the wheel and a decent system, i would of went with the 360 version personally.(controller beats keyboard for racing games imo)

[wolf]

thats a reason why I bought the mocrosoft 360 controller wireless adapter for windows, works a treat for all kinds of games, becuase I prefer playing them on my PC than on my 360 striaght out, even if it's a console port anyway, go figure :P

[n-ster]

the graphics will beat the shit out of the X360... F1 2010 isn't a crappy console port like GTA IV

[20mmrain]

You will be more then fine..... I am not sure what graphics chip ATI uses in the Xbox 360 but I know that PS3 uses a chip Nvidia that is less powerful then the 7800 GT Series. So considering that Xbox 360 came out a short time before PS3 the technology used to make it work is way older then your 4850.

Your PC is not all that bad actually it is really good. The only downside I can see with your video card is that it is 512MB. Which if playing on larger resolutions you might run into problems Like 1920x1080 and above.

Here is a link about the Xbox 360 chip....
http://dtg378.defenderhosting.com/articles.x/8342/1

Here is a link about the PS3 chip....
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9126/P...-GeForce-7800/

Here is a link about the 4850.....(It is a review comparing it to other video cards around it's time of release. The 7800GT is not among them but the 8800GT/GTX and 9800GT/GTX are there and those cards are about twice as powerful as a 7800GT)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...s_5.html#sect0

Hope this helps some

[Dent1]

Originally Posted by TNTTNT

Hi all,

I am excited because a new F1 game, F1 2010, and I am a keen follower of the sport.

I have an i7 core 920 with 4gb of DDR3 Ram. On the graphics side I have a ATI Radeon Sapphire HD 4850 512MB GDDR3.

Is this system powerful enough to run the F1 2010 game, or am I better served getting the Xbox 360 version? The Xbox 360 is quite old now, but specifically built for the task of playing games.

Is this a trick question? You've got one of the fastest Intel processors on the commercial market and you are comparing it to a 5-6year old Xbox 360


Granted the 4850 is starting to get a lil bit old but overall your rig will max out F1 2010 easily, if visuals is all you care about get it on the PC. However PC games are not really known for racing sims so the experience and "fun" factor might be better on the console. I will look into connecting up the 360 controller to the PC. Enjoy

[TNTTNT]

Hi, no not really a trick question, and I am afraid of suffering from a bit of PC gaming naivety. I haven't bought a PC game for years when a guy in my IT dept told me that the consoles were max'ed out for gaming, and also easier to write code for (Due to std hardware). Since then I kind of lost my bearing on PC gaming, and haven't bought one for years.

My ATI graphics card was deemed as basic/mid range when I bought it, and I had no idea what this meant till this post. I am really elated to realise my kit has more horsepower than I thought. I also use it for multi media and office apps.

On F1 I might try to download the manuals if they are around. I think PCs are quite good for simulations, due to the masses of keys available for stuff. I think a real F1 wheel is loaded with buttons, but am not sure how realistic this game is.

I am well happy about my graphics card now.

[Dent1]

Originally Posted by TNTTNT

Hi, no not really a trick question, and I am afraid of suffering from a bit of PC gaming naivety. I haven't bought a PC game for years when a guy in my IT dept told me that the consoles were max'ed out for gaming, and also easier to write code for (Due to std hardware). Since then I kind of lost my bearing on PC gaming, and haven't bought one for years.

This is a subjective matter, coding the game is much easier and quicker to do for a computer. Standardisation of the console hardware does allow for console games to be optimised with less effort and hence why its generally less buggy. But this very same standardisation is the consoles downfall because it gets to a point where the console becomes so old that the programmers become unwilling to waste time using complex algorithms & techniques to hide the consoles short comings for example, the 360 has only 10MBs of video memory and 512MB of main memory, the visuals for games are becoming increasingly better so the textures are becoming bigger the 360 doesn’t have enough dedicated video memory or main memory to facilitate these textures. As a result the developers give up and lower the texture quality and offload the higher textures for the PC port. Also because the average gaming PC is a lot more powerful than a console i.e. we are seeing PC's boasting 1024MB of video memory and 4GB of main memory as the norm, so developers do not have to worry about optimisation on the PC and they can be as ambitious as they feel and drop higher textures without much thought.

Originally Posted by TNTTNT

My ATI graphics card was deemed as basic/mid range when I bought it, and I had no idea what this meant till this post. I am really elated to realise my kit has more horsepower than I thought. I also use it for multi media and office apps.

Low end - video card which was never meant for games, you'd manage to run the odd game at low detail and low resolution, but the experience would be poor. Best suited for multimedia work and HD video playback due to low power consumption.

Mid range - video card which can run most games at high detail and resolution. They tend to offer the best performance for the price.

High end - a enthusiast video card, they're very expensive, run any game at high, good for multiple monitors which are way bigger than average.

When did you buy the 4850, about 2 years ago it was in the upper-midrange. I would say it falls in the lower-midrange ATM. It still keeps up with the newer midrange cards like the 5750, GTS 450, GTS 250 etc despite its age.

Originally Posted by TNTTNT

On F1 I might try to download the manuals if they are around. I think PCs are quite good for simulations, due to the masses of keys available for stuff. I think a real F1 wheel is loaded with buttons, but am not sure how realistic this game is.

I am well happy about my graphics card now.

Should serve you well for at least another year, which is good considering that its over 2 years old already.

[Polaris573]

Not only will it perform better (More frames rendered per second) the graphics will be higher quality while doing it.

[The Comfy Chair]

Originally Posted by 20mmrain

You will be more then fine..... I am not sure what graphics chip ATI uses in the Xbox 360 but I know that PS3 uses a chip Nvidia that is less powerful then the 7800 GT Series. So considering that Xbox 360 came out a short time before PS3 the technology used to make it work is way older then your 4850.

Your PC is not all that bad actually it is really good. The only downside I can see with your video card is that it is 512MB. Which if playing on larger resolutions you might run into problems Like 1920x1080 and above.

Here is a link about the Xbox 360 chip....
http://dtg378.defenderhosting.com/articles.x/8342/1

Here is a link about the PS3 chip....
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9126/P...-GeForce-7800/

Here is a link about the 4850.....(It is a review comparing it to other video cards around it's time of release. The 7800GT is not among them but the 8800GT/GTX and 9800GT/GTX are there and those cards are about twice as powerful as a 7800GT)
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...s_5.html#sect0

Hope this helps some

Now, considering that the 360 uses an architecture that was basically the precursor to the current AMD one, the fact that it has 48 shaders compared to the 1600 in a hd5870 did make me chuckle.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by The Comfy Chair

Now, considering that the 360 uses an architecture that was basically the precursor to the current AMD one, the fact that it has 48 shaders compared to the 1600 in a hd5870 did make me chuckle.

its not quite the same, those 48 shaders would be more comparible to 320 (4+1) cores in a 5870. but yeah still a whopping great difference in power alright.

it makes me have insane hopes for how incredible visuals could be on next gen consoles, even with todays hardware, when coded specifically for it, we could be close to photorealism.

[X-Terminator]

I build alot of computers 4 people & not 2 many of them understand GPU info so this a cheat sheet I use.

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...eYZV-Za1LjF8-g

Now understand this is not perfect but it is close.
The website is not always updated as it should be, but it works.

Now getting back the point your video card ranks #22 on this list & will run F1 2010 Fine!!!

[Mr McC]

Except on those occasions where the pc version of a title has been poorly optimised and causes problems, I would always go with the pc game in your case.

[cheezburger]

Originally Posted by wolf

its not quite the same, those 48 shaders would be more comparible to 320 (4+1) cores in a 5870. but yeah still a whopping great difference in power alright.

it makes me have insane hopes for how incredible visuals could be on next gen consoles, even with todays hardware, when coded specifically for it, we could be close to photorealism.

that 48 shader was all simple arrangement which 4 simple pipeline are equal to a complex pipeline and we know current amd "stream" are made of 4 simple + 1 complex in one ALU to compete cuda core. if stream ALU(4+1) = 1 cuda then 4 simple pipleline would be only half of cuda performance and therefore 48 sp maybe equal to 6 ALU in real time performance. so xobox is nowhere near 5870's level(320ALU vs 6ALU)