Intel Identifies Sandy Bridge Chipset Design Error, All Shipments Stopped

[Solaris17]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

this will have little to no impact on the stock price of intel nor will it be a major inconvenience for customers.

I think so as well. Even with the knowledge of knowing the controllers are defective if it fail in 2 years or even less I seriously doubt it will be that big of an issue. The boards will get replaced like any other component. Knowing that its defective doesnt change the fact that any part in your PC can die at any time. If intel is backing it and manufacturers support their customers i dont see the issue.

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

It's had a little impact already, especially considering the annoucement of a major succesful deal that should have caused thier shares to increase in price today. So the actual imapct on shares isn't exactly transparent.


But, you are right...the boards have bene on the market for less than a month. Personally I think this will affect the OEMs like Dell and HP more than anyone else, as they build units in the order of 1000's at a time.

That deal I speak of? Here:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-20...=2547-1_3-0-20

Originally Posted by LittleLizard

impact it had. But it wont last more than a few days unless another design flaw shows up.

intel's stock price is still 3.5 points higher than its YTD low despite this recall and bad PR. in fact, it has been hovering between 20 and 25 for the past 5 years. this is a blip.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Easy Rhino

this is a blip.

Sure. I agree 1000%. But it does strike me that they timed this annoucement at the same time as the deal to try to lessen the impact...I was expecting an overall price gain today, due to them securing more of the tech market with the infineon deal. Instead, it's gone down...just a knee-jerk reaction, for sure. more than pricing, I am concerned about shares changing hands...who's selling, and who's buying...

[LittleLizard]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Sure. I agree 1000%. But it does strike me that they timed this annoucement at the same time as the deal to try to lessen the impact...I was expecting an overall price gain today, due to them securing more of the tech market with the infineon deal. Instead, it's gone down...just a knee-jerk reaction, for sure. more than pricing, I am concerned about shares changing hands...who's selling, and who's buying...

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attach...1&d=1296502752

well, then the price will be the same by tomorrow morning.

On a side note, The share market is like the roulette. You place your money on a number (company). The amount of shares is your bet. The other shareholders are the other players on the table. The destiny is the croupier. If you put it in the right company, you will be rich by night. If you bet on the wrong one you will a lot less richer by nightfall and the other shareholders who bet on the right one are richer.

[Solaris17]

Originally Posted by LittleLizard

well, then the price will be the same by tomorrow morning.

On a side note, The share market is like the roulette. You place your money on a number (company). The amount of shares is your bet. The other shareholders are the other players on the table. The destiny is the croupier. If you put it in the right company, you will be rich by night. If you bet on the wrong one you will a lot less richer by nightfall and the other shareholders who bet on the right one are richer.

Like you said thats true for all companys you put stock in its a gamble. I dont think investing in intel is a mistake though problem or not. Your not going to be poor over night.

[yogurt_21]

hmm that's an annoying issue. i mean if it were me i'd be weighing the pita of taking apart my rig with the cost of a raid controller. I think the raid controller would win.

at least they caught it before an epidemic of "why are my hard drives failing." It'll be old news in a few weeks.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Solaris17

Like you said thats true for all companys you put stock in its a gamble. I dont think investing in intel is a mistake though problem or not. Your not going to be poor over night.

You'd be right on that one, we can agree on that for sure. Intel is back to pre-recessionary stock pricing, and has been for some time now. This doesn't make them a problem for long term holders, but it does affect those that make micro transactions several times throughout the day.

[Paulieg]

A smart investor will buy during times like this. It is how the long term investor makes money in stable companies. It's also the worst time to sell, especially if you realize that a small mistake will not bring down a giant. My Intel stock will stay right where it is. May even buy a few shares today or tomorrow. Keeping an eye on the market.

[Solaris17]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

You'd be right on that one, we can agree on that for sure. Intel is back to pre-recessionary stock pricing, and has been for some time now. This doesn't make them a problem for long term holders, but it does affect those that make micro transactions several times throughout the day.

Agreed, for people that make transactions throughout the day with multiple companys a drop like this can effect them negatively for sure. they just lost money. If it was me, I would hold intel isnt going anyware fast. Though I think we can agree on more then you think Dave Troll threads dont bring out the best in me. I find myself playing devils advocate alot. I can say negative things about intel for this as well. I just dont think it will make the situation any better. Realisticly speaking is going to inconvienece people that have already bought SB going without a rig to return a board assuming manufacturers comply is also a PITA. To people this effects its also going to be bad. Their is good that i hink can come out of it however. Prices will drop for 1st gen SB unless they force a recall. Meaning that if anything intel will get more money from the mistake. The new "fixed" boards will probably hold the same price as current boards because it was their "mistake"

[Robbaz]

I'm going to help you all out with some humor.

[brandonwh64]

Originally Posted by Robbaz

I'm going to help you all out with some humor.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/485...yjobrobbaz.jpg

This would have been a good picture if it had mike rowe in the driver seat of the bulldozer LOL

[Easy Rhino]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Sure. I agree 1000%. But it does strike me that they timed this annoucement at the same time as the deal to try to lessen the impact...I was expecting an overall price gain today, due to them securing more of the tech market with the infineon deal. Instead, it's gone down...just a knee-jerk reaction, for sure. more than pricing, I am concerned about shares changing hands...who's selling, and who's buying...

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attach...1&d=1296502752

they pulled a steve jobs. he announced he was going on medical leave on a non-trading day and after they announced 10 million ipads sold.

[TheLaughingMan]

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

This would have been a good picture if it had mike rowe in the driver seat of the bulldozer LOL

I second that.

[btarunr]

If only Intel kept the chipset industry open, they could have avoided the inevitable blot on the entire platform. Sandy Bridge processors are unaffected, but since Intel is the only chipset provider, the processor's sales too might get affected by partially-informed, fully-skeptical buyers. Had someone like say NVIDIA been allowed to make a chipset for Sandy Bridge, at least buyers of Sandy Bridge would have opted for motherboards that use the NV chipset, and Intel would have at least sold Sandy Bridge processors in the process.

Oh well, they can clear off LGA1156 inventory.

[Robbaz]

Originally Posted by brandonwh64

This would have been a good picture if it had mike rowe in the driver seat of the bulldozer LOL

Originally Posted by TheLaughingMan

I second that.

You guys win

[Easy Rhino]

gotta love the knee-jerk reaction stock trolls

[brandonwh64]

This is the new background to my phone!! thank you

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/405...jobmikerow.jpg

[Kreij]

Sell all your Intel stock NOW !!! You're going to need the money to buy ammo for the 2012 zombie apocolypse.

On topic ... This is not really a big deal at all. Some people may be affected in 2 to 3 years?
Yawn.

[Solaris17]

Originally Posted by Kreij

Sell all your Intel stock NOW !!! You're going to need the money to buy ammo for the 2012 zombie apocolypse.

On topic ... This is not really a big deal at all. Some people may be affected in 2 to 3 years?
Yawn.

oh noes the controller on the board might go bad after the normal enthusiest hold time on a mobo! whatever shall we do?!

[Kreij]

Not only enthusiast hold time, but 3 years is typical for corporate hold time too.
This is definitely not as worrisome as the zombie apocolypse ... or the hurricane headed for the already flooded areas of AU, or that new zit you noticed yesterday.

[Mindweaver]

WOW, I was just comparing p67 boards earlier at newegg, and everyone I tried to click on took me to a discontinued Item page! So, I came here to check the forums and seen this.. I just checked Newegg and they are only listing 9 1155 boards now.. I just got my SB parts in today.. WTF...

[Solaris17]

Originally Posted by Mindweaver

WOW, I was just comparing p67 boards earlier at newegg, and everyone I tried to click on took me to a discontinued Item page! So, I came here to check the forums and seen this.. I just checked Newegg and they are only listing 9 1155 boards now.. I just got my SB parts in today.. WTF...

idk about you but im about to mad profit from people selling SB on the forums.

[LAN_deRf_HA]

I'm unclear on what's effected. I have like 3 sata controllers on my evo. One 3.0 and two 6.0. Which is supposed to have the issue?

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by LAN_deRf_HA

I'm unclear on what's effected. I have like 3 sata controllers on my evo. One 3.0 and two 6.0. Which is supposed to have the issue?

Here you go:

Bottom line: if you are a consumer who's run out and grabbed a high-end laptop or desktop gaming rig in the last few weeks with an Intel quad-core processor billed as Intel's Second Generation Intel Core Processor, then you potentially have a problem.

Intel: main points of Sandy Bridge chipset flaw:


Chipset: The issue is in Sandy Bridge's Cougar Point chipset, not the main Sandy Bridge processor. Most Sandy Bridge systems sold to date are quad-core laptops, though some desktop PCs have been shipping too. Potentially affected systems have been shipping only since January 9.

Issue: Affects SATA ports 2 through 5, not ports 0 and 1. Most laptops have two SATA devices, such as a hard disk drive and optical drive that would be using the unaffected ports 0 and 1. That said, Sandy Bridge-based systems with more than a couple of SATA devices could potentially be affected.

How issue was discovered: Last week customers started telling Intel that there was an issue. As Intel stressed the part, then Intel's labs started seeing a failure to access ports 2 through 5. The Intel stress test simulated time passing and it showed that over time this issue could come up.

How many Sandy Bridge chipsets shipped to date: 8 million. But Intel claims relatively few are in customers' hands. Most of those are in the sales channel and will be pulled out of the channel. Intel is supporting PC makers in this effort.

Issue fixed in new silicon: Intel has corrected the design issue, and has begun manufacturing a new version of the chipset which will resolve the issue.

Delay of new Sandy Bridge chips: Intel expects to begin delivering the updated version of the chipset to customers in late February and expects full volume recovery in April.


Analyst's take: Nathan Brookwood of Insight 64, a chip consulting firm.


Affects consumer not corporate (enterprise): It was caught during the testing of consumer-oriented products, so when Intel finally launches Sandy Bridge processors that are targeted at enterprise--typically with vPro capability--those systems won't have the issue.

If a consumer has an early Sandy Bridge laptop: If a customer has a system with the potentially-flawed chipset, then the only real alternative is to replace the entire motherboard where the chipset has been soldered down.

Most laptops shipping today still use the previous generation of Intel processors: Because the Sandy Bridge products that use the Cougar Point chipset are just ramping now, the high-volume products continue to be last year's Core i series processors (codenamed "Westmere"). These products are not affected.

One week from being notified, to implementing a fix, and notifying customers is an awesome turn around.

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20...#ixzz1CeNXSnPD

[Mindweaver]

Originally Posted by Solaris17

idk about you but im about to mad profit from people selling SB on the forums.

I'll take a cheap faulty in 2 years 1155 board..lol just use sata 6 when your 3.0 SATA controller dies FTW..

Originally Posted by LAN_deRf_HA

I'm unclear on what's effected. I have like 3 sata controllers on my evo. One 3.0 and two 6.0. Which is supposed to have the issue?

Just 3.0 SATA controller not the 6.0 from what i've read.