Diablo III Clubhouse

[1Kurgan1]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Yes, it took countless hours of grinding, but at the same time, it was nowhere as diffcult as Inferno in Diablo III. I can't even get out of town in D3, even if I try to skip the elite mob outside the town gates.

Heck, i'd much rather have the auction house gone, and have to buy teleport scrolls.

Oh, and drops ARE NOT random. At least, not in the same sense as it was in the other games. If items are in the auction houses, the frequency of thier drops in-game is far far less. Items just being in the auction house ruins the drops for all others playing, and there's no denying that.

Since there's all these good items in teh auction houses, the frequency of good items in-game is less, which makes the game, for me, far less enjoyable. I have far less chance on getting good items today than I did when the game launched, and every day that a good item is taken and put up for auction jsut means there's less good items for me to get.

Grinding in past games meant doing the same boss over and over trying to get a drop and no matter who played, the rate of that drop was always the same...that doesn't happen any more. They broke Diablo, and they don't care, and they broke it with the auction house, and that's a fact.

The fact that Inferno is even able to be solo'd to me says it's easier to beat than the previous games. I'd say to beat D1 as a Warrior from Normal all the way through Hell solo might be nigh impossible. And same goes for D2 since some mobs would just be immune to things. Now I'm not saying Inferno is easy, it's not suppose to be. But honestly Act 1 isn't all that bad, I have a few friends who farm it in Magic Find gear rather than going into Act 2, 3, or 4. And their MF gear is usually 8000hp or so with not ideal damage stats.

But I still don't agree with the AH breaking anything. I wasn't ever much for trading, mostly because you would spend as many hours grinding different hosts just to maybe find an item or two that you liked.

And I also hated grinding that same boss over and over again. But I wouldn't say the chance on drop was the same, there was some insane gear that had very low odds, and farming a boss that has 1% chance to drop an item for 100 kills doesn't mean you have a 100% chance to get that item. Either way, almost anyone here has got more than their moneys worth out of this game (I bought Max Payne it might take me 10 hours to beat for the $60 it cost), once I stop enjoying a game I don't harp on about it, I'm just done and move onto a new title.

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

I just called a buddy of mine (havent talked to him in months) and he was a big Diablo fan. I asked him about Diablo 2 normal mode and he said he beat it in about 25 hours and never played it again. Not sure why it took you 500+ in normal.

Because once again you don't read. I just corrected you before so I'll do it again, Diablo 1

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by Kreij

I've seen posts by Blizz devs that they factored in the AH when considering drop rates, but I've never seen anything that states the quantity of items in the AH, at any given time, affects the preset drop rates in game.

I'm pretty sure that was EXACTLY what I read, and that it was a way to encourage use of the auction house.


HOwever, at the same time, this may only pertain to legendary items? I am not sure, but I was given the impression it applied to both rare and legendary items, and that fact alone had me un-install the game after I tried to get out of town, and ended up broke, with broken gear, and no money to repair. Grinding being expensive is one thing, but a lack of good items is another when the costs are so high.



EDIT: I guess they've changed their tune(although they deny the auction house isn't the only factor, they do not deny is plays a role):

That's not what was said or implied at all, sorry if it was confusing. The AH doesn't have any affect on the literal drop rates of items depending on what's available.

What I said, and what is true, is that with far more players and an increased proliferation of item trade, we have to factor in how many items are being found by players and how quickly a player can gear up by 'sourcing' items from others through trade and the convenience of the gold auction house.

If we say "a player should have X power in Y amount of time through drops" and completely ignore that the time factor can be reduced by simply having access to more drops through trading and the auction house, players would be gearing up far quicker than we've determined they should. It has nothing to do with the auction house per se, but the general ease at which players have access to more items than they would without it and us needing to keep that in mind while balancing drops. It would be rather poorly thought out if we balanced drops completely ignoring all of the ways players can gear up, and trading is certainly one of them.

Obviously everyone wants the best gear possible as quickly as possible, and us attempting to mediate that through design that takes all factors into account is not always going to be a popular notion.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/top...4997?page=3#49

I dunno WTF happened ot this post..I was editting my previous post, and it made a new one. LuLz.

Originally Posted by 1Kurgan1

The fact that Inferno is even able to be solo'd to me says it's easier to beat than the previous games. Now I'm not saying Inferno is easy, it's not suppose to be. But honestly Act 1 isn't all that bad, I have a few friends who farm it in Magic Find gear rather than going into Act 2, 3, or 4. And their MF gear is usually 8000hp or so with not ideal damage stats.

Both my firend and I solo'd all difficulties in D1 and D2, after doing it together. Again ,this took countless added hours, but the point reamins that we finished the game, playing maybe a total of 21 days together playing, out of playing every day for 8 months. I palyed diablo far more than I paly BF3 now, since i have many kids now that demand my attention., but the fact remains that the auction house does factor into loot drops, as posted above.

original AH affects drop post:

The auction house obviously provides an incredible service to allow for very easy trades between characters, and essentially blows out the wide range of items you could have available to you at any one time. So, in fact, the AH has to be a factor in how we drop items. On one hand you have a huge benefit because you can buy and sell items very easily, as opposed to having to post up WTS threads in the old USEast trading forums, but on the other end it does impact the item pool economy with the inherent ease at which you can trade items. If the AH existed but wasn't a factor at all into how items dropped/rolled, the economy would be completely tanked within a matter of weeks.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/top...2701?page=2#33

post #33.

[lyndonguitar]

Originally Posted by ZenZimZaliben

Whats the worse that can happen.... It doesn't sell. Adjust, and repost.

I started the buy and sell thingy now. price check.

I got a boots 103 Dex, 89 Vit, 80 AR. how much does that sell you think

[digibucc]

those are the only stats? maybe a couple ten thousand gold, not much more i don't think.

then again, the prices are far from regulated. if you look hard enough you can find the same 3mil item for 30k , someone somewhere doesn't know it's value. so most things in turn are over valued, or incredibly undervalued. over time it will level.

[lyndonguitar]

Originally Posted by digibucc

those are the only stats? maybe a couple ten thousand gold, not much more i don't think.

then again, the prices are far from regulated. if you look hard enough you can find the same 3mil item for 30k , someone somewhere doesn't know it's value. so most things in turn are over valued, or incredibly undervalued. over time it will level.

I searched for similar stats and i got 2m lowest buyout, not sure if im gonna sell this at that price though. but +80 All resist items are pretty damn expensive. I just wanna ask so its sure

[Kreij]

80 AR is high. Put it up for a lot and see what happenes. You can always come down.

[digibucc]

yeah i was thinking AR meant attack rating/speed, you meant resist all and i was just confused.
you are surely right 80 is a HUGE find and you can get millions for it, my bad.

[lyndonguitar]

Originally Posted by Kreij

80 AR is high. Put it up for a lot and see what happenes. You can always come down.

thanks. I think ill start at 1.8M hehe

Originally Posted by digibucc

yeah i was thinking AR meant attack rating/speed, you meant resist all and i was just confused.
you are surely right 80 is a HUGE find and you can get millions for it, my bad.

I got it for 350k, hehe


Additional:

I got another item for 10k, I was just.. WOW. , all the other items are like 200k, and clicked buyout as fast as i could

Gloves. IAS 8%, 116 DEX, 38 VIT, 62 AR.

and a couple of other items, Gold left: 100k

lets see what happens

[Kreij]

See your now hooked on playing in the AH. lol
It's a fun reprieve from farming when you start to get a bit burnt out on that.

No bids on my 20M item yet. rofl

[digibucc]

yeah i honestly haven't played the game itself in more than a week. i log on every few days to check auctions, as much as i hate to admit it the auction house is the most likely thing to keep me playing the game.

[ZenZimZaliben]

Originally Posted by lyndonguitar

I started the buy and sell thingy now. price check.

I got a boots 103 Dex, 89 Vit, 80 AR. how much does that sell you think

80 ALL RESIST...well that makes it much more awesome. I believe 80 is a perfect roll for All Res on boots. Congrats!

So whats the armor level?

200 Armor - 1-2M
300 Armor - 2-3M
500 Armor - 5-8M
600 Armor - 8-15M
700 Armor - 20M+

Just some estimates, you will have to do a search and see where everyone else falls with similar gear. IF you want it to sell fast undercut them by 10% or so.

Originally Posted by lyndonguitar

thanks. I think ill start at 1.8M hehe



I got it for 350k, hehe


Additional:

I got another item for 10k, I was just.. WOW. , all the other items are like 200k, and clicked buyout as fast as i could

Gloves. IAS 8%, 116 DEX, 38 VIT, 62 AR.

and a couple of other items, Gold left: 100k

lets see what happens

Nice. depending on armor again but if it's around 400 Armor those will sell for 1m no problem.

[lyndonguitar]

Thanks for the advice! items now on the AH. hope they sell

[1Kurgan1]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Both my firend and I solo'd all difficulties in D1 and D2, after doing it together. Again ,this took countless added hours, but the point reamins that we finished the game, playing maybe a total of 21 days together playing, out of playing every day for 8 months. I palyed diablo far more than I paly BF3 now, since i have many kids now that demand my attention., but the fact remains that the auction house does factor into loot drops, as posted above.

I'm assuming in D1 one was a Sorc and one was a Rogue? Either way, the same month D3 came out people were soloing Diablo on Inferno. It's a big leap to every day for 8 months of playing. I don't know I just don't see the huge issue, AH or not Diablo has always been a farming game. It's about running the samethings over and over again for a % chance to get some uber epic loot. The AH hasn't changed that, maybe for Legendaries, but most rares are better than Legenadries anyways. And controlling the amount of a named item getting out there is fine to me, it's not suppose to be common, it's not like they are picking the people they go to. And not like those items are really even needed.

Originally Posted by digibucc

yeah i honestly haven't played the game itself in more than a week. i log on every few days to check auctions, as much as i hate to admit it the auction house is the most likely thing to keep me playing the game.

I do enjoy playing the market, it's what I use to do in WoW when I got bored of the game itself, it's like a whole new game inside a game.

[digibucc]

Originally Posted by 1Kurgan1

I do enjoy playing the market, it's what I use to do in WoW when I got bored of the game itself, it's like a whole new game inside a game.

exactly, it's like ebay without (necessarily) spending real money, and that's pretty cool imo.online auctions are the next most addicting thing on a pc next to arpgs & mmos probably

[cadaveca]

Really, though, item drops are less, as stated, due to the ability to get drops in the auction house. The perfect example is one of your own, getting legendary items from boss fights was a given in the previous games.


That's not the case any more, and that, to me is frustrating.


Basically, good item drops for a given level are less in-game, due to items also being available in the auction house. Items are generated randomly when dropped, however, those drops themselves are far less. And that goes for ALL ITEMs. For example, they pulled drops from breakable items...although this may be added back at a later date, but of course, this may effect the AH economy, and anything that wil laffect that in a large way will never make it as a change.


I don't mind the grind, really, but when I have to grind substantially more than previous games, yeah, that's a downer. I don't need replayability by having harder grinds...that's what the extra classes were for, I thought.


While it's OK with you, it's not OK with me, and had I fulyl understood how the auction house palyed into the availability of drops, I woiuld not have bought the game, period. I guess that's my bad, but at the same time, that sort of info was not available pre-launch.

I expected the AH to be an optional part of the game, that would not affect how the game plays for me, and that was fine, but that is not the case. The Diablo Devs ahve even admitted that the game is broken in this regard, and there there is no long-lasting play factor, adn they will NOT be releasing content like they have for WoW, while at the same time, having brought teh AH from WoW, into D3. That was a mistake, IMHO, such that I ahve no interest in playing further.

IF the AH tickles your fancy, that's great, but it doesn't tickle mine, and has ruined the game for me.

[1Kurgan1]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Really, though, item drops are less, as stated, due to the ability to get drops in the auction house. The perfect example is one of your own, getting legendary items from boss fights was a given.

That's not the case any more.

Basically, good item drops for a given level are less in-game, due to items also being available in the auction house. Items are gerenated randomly when dropped, however, those drops themselves are far less. And that goes for ALL ITEMs.

I don't mind the grind, really, but when I have to grind substantially more than previous games, yeah, that's a downer. I don't need replayability by having harder grinds...that's what the extra classes were for, I thought.

While it's OK with you, it's not OK with me, and had I fulyl understood how the auction house palyed into the availability of drops, I woiuld not have bought the game, period. I guess that's my bad, but at the same time, that sort of info was not available pre-launch.

You say you don't mind the grind, but when the grind is longer than previous games it bothers you. But you mention playing the previous games for 8 months before being able to beat the games solo, and this games only been out for 2 months. You also say you played the other games far more, heck I don't even play D3 everyday and I was in Act 3 Inf about a month ago. It just seems like what you say about being frustrated and how it actually works are different, or the played time hasn't met what you invested into the previous games to beat them. So thats why I question the frustration.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by 1Kurgan1

You say you don't mind the grind, but when the grind is longer than previous games it bothers you. But you mention playing the previous games for 8 months before being able to beat the games solo, and this games only been out for 2 months. You also say you played the other games far more, heck I don't even play D3 everyday and I was in Act 3 Inf about a month ago. It just seems like what you say about being frustrated and how it actually works are different, or the played time hasn't met what you invested into the previous games to beat them. So thats why I question the frustration.

As it stands right this second, I cannot get any further in game. I cannot grind, because an elite mob stands outside of town, and demolishes me. I cannot grind.


I never experienced this before in the previous games. I do not like it. It's very simple, and just becuase you don't feel as I do, tells me that your experience was very different than mine, however, that doesn't mean my opinion is any less valid than yours. I am stating my opinion, and you are sitting here denying that how I feel is right...which ain't gonna win any battles, I'm afraid.

I don't use the auction house, but if I want to progress, I must. That's the source of frustration. And the fact it only took two months...says it all. That's not an indicator of how I play, rather an indicator of how unbalanced the game is, if you were able to go further, far further, in less time.


And let me say, I haven't played but twice in the past three weeks. I haven't even started the game since the 23rd of June, when I had surgery, so really, we are talknig about 5 weeks before i hit a brick wall.

OF course, the point you are missing, si that we are playing differnt classes, and ergo the difference in experience when palying. Liek really? You're gonna pull some lines like that without looking at hte full picture?

How about analyzing WHY i'm not happy, rather than refuting it? BEcuase really, I am not happy with Diablo III, and nothing you've mentioned makes me any more happy about it.


OK, so here it is, straight up:


I'm stuck. Have been for weeks now. Elite mob outside of town, unavoidable mob, kills me every time.

OK, so try different builds. Check. No different, because mobs heal, so while I csn live longer, I actually don't get any further.

Recruit other players to help out. Check.

Recruited players rage quit in my game, when they try to help me progress. Check.

OK, so I need to be more powerful, or something, as do these other players...so let's level up.


Wait...already at level 60. SO, let's get better gear.

Wait, already got all level 61 gear(have since reaching level 60 at the beginning of hell Act II)...and better doesn't drop where I can grind...


So, how do I get better gear?

Auction house!


Wait...good gear in only sold for real money, or costs millions...

So I gotta grind...for gold...millions...yet I have just 51 gold because trying to work through inferno depleted both my gold, and my supplies of non-broken armor and other gear...


So, I look at the situation, realize that items that do drop are crap..explore why they are crap, find blizzard made good items drop less often, because they are sold in the auction house...


Why are they dropping less? Because they are in the auction house, and Blizzard doesn't want you gearing up too quickly...because that would break the auction house.


So, to me, the auction house ruins the game, for me.


Why is that an issue for you?

The answer of having other players, with better gear, enter my game and help me progress..not an option. Diablo has never been about multi-player for me, and never will be. In my opinion, I should not have to rely on other players in order to be able to progress through the game. That was my main issue with the first two.


So, for me, the game is very broken, not fun, and I blame the auction house. If the auction house did not exist, good item drops would be more frequent, and I'd probably not be in the situation I am, which is very much unhappy with the game. I stay up with this thread, hoping a patch will fix things, and that's it.

But at this point, Diablo III is not a game I enjoy playing, so I won't play it further until the auction house is not affecting item drops in game. That won't happen, so I'm probably done. I might paly with my wife, with another character..she wants to play..but chances are, I won't buy another copy just for her...I'll let her play my own game.

[Kreij]

I think that everyones' opinions are valid as we all expect something different out of a game.
What that expectation is varies greatly between all of us.
Gaming is supposed to be fun.
In the end, if someone does not find a game fun, they should move on.
Maybe a break for awhile will refresh your desire to play, maybe not.

I put in lots of hours in Skyrim but got tired of playing it. It's still a great game but not what I want to play at the moment. Perhaps I will go back to it, perhaps not ... it doesn't matter.

D3 is fun to me because it's a lot of fun grouping even when I die a lot. I expected that to happen as I die a lot in all the games I play. I like the loot hunt even though it's seldom you get something decent because that's what I expected too. I like the AH because it gives me a break and still keep working on my character.

Just my 2 cents.

[1Kurgan1]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

As it stands right this second, I cannot get any further in game. I cannot grind, because an elite mob stands outside of town, and demolishes me. I cannot grind.

I never experienced this before in the previous games. I do not like it. It's very simple, and just becuase you don't feel as I do, tells me that your experience was very different than mine, however, that doesn't mean my opinion is any less valid than yours. I am stating my opinion, and you are sitting here denying that how I feel is right...which ain't gonna win any battles, I'm afraid.

I don't use the auction house, but if I want to progress, I must. That's the source of frustration. And the fact it only took two months...says it all. That's not an indicator of how I play, rather an indicator of how unbalanced the game is, if you were able to go further, far further, in less time.

And let me say, I haven't played but twice in the past three weeks. I haven't even started the game since the 23rd of June, when I had surgery, so really, we are talknig about 5 weeks before i hit a brick wall.

OF course, the point you are missing, si that we are playing differnt classes, and ergo the difference in experience when palying. Liek really? You're gonna pull some lines like that without looking at hte full picture?

How about analyzing WHY i'm not happy, rather than refuting it? BEcuase really, I am not happy with Diablo III, and nothing you've mentioned makes me any more happy about it.

We went over this before Dave, I'm not telling you your game experience is false and could not happen, please don't drag that back into this. I'm just talking about the game itself.

I am surprised you never had to grind in Diablo before. Usually the point of grinding is because you hit a wall and you need gear to surpass that wall, I hit it in D1 and D2. So solution was to go back and kill things I could kill till I got a drop I needed or to try and look for people to trade with if I had something worth value to others, but did my class little good. you said you played 8 months of D2 every day, I can't imagine that every day was progress, since it doesn't take all that long to beat the game, even if it is going through on every difficulty. Hitting gear check walls just seem to be a part of the type of game, once you are geared enough you blow everything down, if you are poorly geared out die, there is a middle ground and many other inbetweens.

If you refuse to use the auction hall, your experience is to be expected. But have you ever given trading a chance? There is a trade channel, and there was trading in D1 and D2. So if you refuse to use the AH and refuse to trade like the games of the past, yeah the games gonna get pretty hard. Also depends on how you want to play the game (playstyle). For a while I wasn't able to find a spec for my Barb that allowed me to progress without a shield, and since I didn't want to wear a shield I stopped playing him. But then I got something that worked, I toyed with the abilities changing things around till it was perfect. And I love playing that character now. I wanted to be able to run into groups and just melee them as a DPS Barb and that just wasn't possible before and it made me sad, but it was an error on my part expecting the spec I had to be able to accomplish that when I couldn't take a hit. So it just required a change in abilities.

I still don't understand why your getting all emo on me here again Dave. I'm looking at an overall picture from most classes. I have a Barb and a Wizard, Ufgy has a DH and a Monk, 4 other friends have WD's (and a few other friends have DH's and other classes). I've seen them all played by different people and different specs and thats where I gain my observations from, don't assume just because I play 2 classes that I'm throwing information out there blindly (now your trying to impose thought processes on me that didn't occur from me, but I'm not going to go all crazy and point fingers at you and call you a bad man for it).

Either way I'm not analyzing why you are happy or unhappy with the game, so don't think this is about you, don't take any of this personally. I'm simply talking about game mechanics, about the use of the AH vs Trading from older games, and about difficulty from the past to now. So please, relax and stop pointing a finger at me when I am just saying what I observe in a game (like you said it's all opinion and I can have mine).

Either way, if your unhappy why still play? Also do you feel you got your moneys worth out of it? for a long time I was unhappy with BF3, but I also didn't visit the clubhouse and post about it, since it didn't really accomplish much as it's like an nun approaching a group of atheists and explaining their opinion. It's just asking for everyone to respond to you, the topic gets washed away and it just becomes a shit slinging contest. If you enjoy the game but want to see some changes, posting seems like a great idea, see who agrees, maybe see if more of the community is hoping for the same. But if you dislike the game, and uninstalled it and hate most things about it, posting about that in a section devoted to people talking about a game they are enjoying, thats usually something I pass. Despite the many times I've wanted to jump into a COD thread or the Anime Clubhouse, I restrain myself as it would be far from constructive.

Originally Posted by Kreij

I think that everyones' opinions are valid as we all expect something different out of a game.
What that expectation is varies greatly between all of us.
Gaming is supposed to be fun.
In the end, if someone does not find a game fun, they should move on.
Maybe a break for awhile will refresh your desire to play, maybe not.

I put in lots of hours in Skyrim but got tired of playing it. It's still a great game but not what I want to play at the moment. Perhaps I will go back to it, perhaps not ... it doesn't matter.

D3 is fun to me because it's a lot of fun grouping even when I die a lot. I expected that to happen as I die a lot in all the games I play. I like the loot hunt even though it's seldom you get something decent because that's what I expected too. I like the AH because it gives me a break and still keep working on my character.

Just my 2 cents.

/Agreed

If I manage to get 20 - 30 hours from a game I spent $60 on, I call it good and walk off happy, onto another gaming adventure. And if issues are fixed that I was unhappy with and it warrants more gametime, I might make that return in the future.

[cadaveca]

Originally Posted by 1Kurgan1

We went over this before Dave, I'm not telling you your game experience is false and could not happen, please don't drag that back into this. I'm just talking about the game itself.

I am surprised you never had to grind in Diablo before. Usually the point of grinding is because you hit a wall and you need gear to surpass that wall, I hit it in D1 and D2. So solution was to go back and kill things I could kill till I got a drop I needed or to try and look for people to trade with if I had something worth value to others, but did my class little good. you said you played 8 months of D2 every day, I can't imagine that every day was progress, since it doesn't take all that long to beat the game, even if it is going through on every difficulty. Hitting gear check walls just seem to be a part of the type of game, once you are geared enough you blow everything down, if you are poorly geared out die, there is a middle ground and many other inbetweens.

Yes, you are right ,but the drops I need don't happen in Hell difficulty, so there's roadblock number 1.

If you refuse to use the auction hall, your experience is to be expected. But have you ever given trading a chance? There is a trade channel, and there was trading in D1 and D2. So if you refuse to use the AH and refuse to trade like the games of the past, yeah the games gonna get pretty hard. Also depends on how you want to play the game (playstyle). For a while I wasn't able to find a spec for my Barb that allowed me to progress without a shield, and since I didn't want to wear a shield I stopped playing him. But then I got something that worked, I toyed with the abilities changing things around till it was perfect. And I love playing that character now. I wanted to be able to run into groups and just melee them as a DPS Barb and that just wasn't possible before and it made me sad, but it was an error on my part expecting the spec I had to be able to accomplish that when I couldn't take a hit. So it just required a change in abilities.

I never traded items in the past. Yes, I had to grind, but going back a littel bit, to get better items, that was an option. It's not for me now.

I still don't understand why your getting all emo on me here again Dave. I'm looking at an overall picture from most classes. I have a Barb and a Wizard, Ufgy has a DH and a Monk, 4 other friends have WD's (and a few other friends have DH's and other classes). I've seen them all played by different people and different specs and thats where I gain my observations from, don't assume just because I play 2 classes that I'm throwing information out there blindly (now your trying to impose thought processes on me that didn't occur from me, but I'm not going to go all crazy and point fingers at you and call you a bad man for it).

I'm not getting emo. I stated the auction house addition has ruined the game for me, due to lesser amounts of drops due to availability of items in the auction house.

Either way I'm not analyzing why you are happy or unhappy with the game, so don't think this is about you, don't take any of this personally. I'm simply talking about game mechanics, about the use of the AH vs Trading from older games, and about difficulty from the past to now. So please, relax and stop pointing a finger at me when I am just saying what I observe in a game (like you said it's all opinion and I can have mine).

Actually, your last post was an "analysis" of how i play, clearly.

Either way, if your unhappy why still play? Also do you feel you got your moneys worth out of it?

Nope, don't feel I did, in fact, if I did, I'd buy another copy so my wife and I coudl paly together, but with how I feel about it right now, that's not going to happen. However, having the level of patience I do, I'm willing ot wait it out, and perhaps my opinion will change. THat's the only emotion for this game...I'm upset becuase I coudl ahve enjoyed palying this with my wife, but to lead her into the same situation...no thanks.

for a long time I was unhappy with BF3, but I also didn't visit the clubhouse and post about it, since it didn't really accomplish much as it's like an nun approaching a group of atheists and explaining their opinion. It's just asking for everyone to respond to you, the topic gets washed away and it just becomes as hit slinging contest. If you enjoy the game but want to see some changes, posting seems like a great idea, see who agrees, maybe see if more of the community is hoping for the same. But if you dislike the game, and uninstalled it and hate most things about it, posting about that in a section devoted to people talking about a game they are enjoying, thats usually something I pass. Despite the many times I've wanted to jump into a COD thread or the Anime Clubhouse, I restrain myself as it would be far from constructive.

Actually, I posted because Mailman said the auction house ruined the game, and you denied he was right about that. So I offered my opinion, which is one that the auction house ruined the game. And so here we sit.



Kreij posted up a quote saying there was ZERO interaction with the auction house and drops, but yet other devs are saying there is, and it's because of the access to items provided by the auction house, so clearly even the devs can't get the story straight on how the auction house affects the game and drops. Perhaps they all are doing damage control..I don't know. All I know is that I haven't found a good item since the beginning of Hell. I spent 20 hours since then playing before getting past hell, and haven't found one good drop that replced anything i had already, unless it was given to me my Haru (1 item), nothing over 61...because you can only get better than 61 in Inferno. I cannot grind INferno...and the cycle repeats.




I'm not worked up about it, I jsut saw Blizzard staff offering differing opinions, so posted it up, along with my own opinion. Not a big deal. I haven't said any of this before, so while you may have read it before, it didn't come from me, so telling me to stop fouling up the thread seems kinda..well...whatever. Nobody said you need to respond to me!

[1Kurgan1]

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Yes, you are right ,but the drops I need don't happen in Hell difficulty, so there's roadblock number 1.

I never traded items in the past. Yes, I had to grind, but going back a littel bit, to get better items, that was an option. It's not for me now.

Actually Hell difficulty can drop many items you can use.


I've seen many level 60 items greater than 63 items, simply because it's all random stats. Yes 63's with the perfect stat rolls will be the absolute best items in the game. But you can get those great drops from Act IV Hell, so going back is a great option, especially since you can toss on some MF gear and have an even better chance at it. (another reason why I was a bit confused about the Inferno hate) Hell even I would have many upgrades in Act IV Hell (pun ), I got quite a few pieces between 54 - 59 iLvL, that they are really good I'd be sad to see them go.

Originally Posted by cadaveca

I'm not getting emo. I stated the auction house addition has ruined the game for me, due to lesser amounts of drops due to availability of items in the auction house.

Actually, your last post was an "analysis" of how i play, clearly.

And I never told you that you were wrong, just stating my opinions on the subject. But it seems if those disagree with your own I'm now a bad person (this happened in the past). And the only analysis of play I see was me going over my steps to critiquing my own play on my Barb since I wasn't able to accomplish what I wanted on him, you dig to deep to find insults in others posts. I never said your opinion was invalid, I simply posted my game experiences, and I never analyzed why you are unhappy, you said why you are unhappy and I simply put my opinions out there on the game itself and what I do/don't like about it, I never tried imposing any of that on you, so stop trying to impose false things on me, it was annoying the last time this happened as well.

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Nope, don't feel I did, in fact, if I did, I'd buy another copy so my wife and I coudl paly together, but with how I feel about it right now, that's not going to happen. However, having the level of patience I do, I'm willing ot wait it out, and perhaps my opinion will change. THat's the only emotion for this game...I'm upset becuase I coudl ahve enjoyed palying this with my wife, but to lead her into the same situation...no thanks.

That's unfortunate, hopefully it does get patched to a level you are happy with so you can play more and get to the level where you feel you got your money out of it.

Originally Posted by cadaveca

Actually, I posted because Mailman said the auction house ruined the game, and you denied he was right about that. So I offered my opinion, which is one that the auction house ruined the game. And so here we sit.

You are talking about Mailmans opinion like it is fact, saying I denied that he was right about that. His opinion is his opinion, I got mine, I just responded with my feelings on the AH and the game. Anything else I responded with was the articles he linked from others about the older games. I'm fine with people using others opinions to get ground to stand on for a subject, but to bash something based on those and try to stand your ground on other peoples opinions is a hard ground to stand and mostly what I responded about. So yes here we do sit, so far it seems anytime I speak my opinion you think I'm saying it's fact and you and everyone else is wrong. But my opinion is simply that, an opinion, as is yours and everyone else's here.

It reminds me of when I was younger and me and my sister would argue about something. Then she would get frustrated and yell "ouch he hit me", and simply because that was said first I'm now in trouble despite me saying I didn't. I hate the first to the punch strategy for discussions/arguments.

[DannibusX]

One thing Blizzard needs to do to fix Diablo 3.

Make your hotbar lockable. I've only done it twice, but accidentally dragging off a skill to the ruin of a full NV bonus really blows. I can't believe it's not an option right now.

[1Kurgan1]

That is crazy, I don't ever click my bar so I haven't noticed. But surprised it's not an option as people do click.

[DannibusX]

I usually don't either, but I was in a very panicked kiting session the other day and accidentally removed one of my skills while running for my life.

[Bjorn_Of_Iceland]

Originally Posted by digibucc

yeah i honestly haven't played the game itself in more than a week. i log on every few days to check auctions, as much as i hate to admit it the auction house is the most likely thing to keep me playing the game.

I'd say your on the right track. I heard a lot from the forums / vids lately that ah is where the gold farmings at and not from mf/gf/goblin runs/chest hunt (pre nerf). Buy and sell stuff. Mostly buying stuff for 4m then selling it for 6m something like that.

Originally Posted by DannibusX

One thing Blizzard needs to do to fix Diablo 3.

Make your hotbar lockable. I've only done it twice, but accidentally dragging off a skill to the ruin of a full NV bonus really blows. I can't believe it's not an option right now.

I usually turn elective mode off for farming runs.

Originally Posted by 1Kurgan1

Actually Hell difficulty can drop many items you can use.
http://img.techpowerup.org/120709/Capture014.jpg

I've seen many level 60 items greater than 63 items, simply because it's all random stats. Yes 63's with the perfect stat rolls will be the absolute best items in the game. But you can get those great drops from Act IV Hell, so going back is a great option, especially since you can toss on some MF gear and have an even better chance at it. (another reason why I was a bit confused about the Inferno hate) Hell even I would have many upgrades in Act IV Hell (pun ), I got quite a few pieces between 54 - 59 iLvL, that they are really good I'd be sad to see them go.

This is true. I also do mf runs with act 1 inferno. Mobs would drop legendaries, and rocks would drop 1k dps items XD. The more rares you drop, the higher the chance for a good rolled item. As opposed to act 3/4 runs where you sometimes do repairs 100k worth. Sure I was getting 6-7 ilvl 63 per run, but most of the time, they have random and junk stats like health globes give xxxx / increase pickup radius.