Crysis 2 leaked almost 50 days early

[lashton]

Originally Posted by KainXS

tell that to all the lawyers sitting and waiting for dumb dumbs to come download the torrents

No one uses torrent anymore or do they and from what i hear its an early beta heck its clear its a beta some stuff aint even finished i hear

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Originally Posted by lashton

No one uses torrent anymore or do they and from what i hear its an early beta heck its clear its a beta some stuff aint even finished i hear

What makes you think no one uses torrents?

[lashton]

Originally Posted by CrAsHnBuRnXp

What makes you think no one uses torrents?

Im sure people do but the real downloader are people using file sharing sites like RS and HF and so on ...

[BumbleBee]

torrents are still a popular p2p file sharing service. I prefer direct download file sharing services like rapidshare or usenet but you have to pay a monthly fee for them.

[Mussels]

discussing your preferred source of download material is way off the topic here. no more.

[laszlo]

Originally Posted by lashton

Im sure people do but the real downloader are people using file sharing sites like RS and HF and so on ...

depend on what are u downloading

if you download illegal stuff from RS they can prove you downloaded it

if you download same stuff from torrent nobody knows exactly what contains the packets received from thousand of pc

so which is better...

i prefer torrent as i feel more safe;i admit i downloaded the game and get stucked many times as is not finished (i even saw a message that is for internal use only...) is not optimized at all so i think is not a beta or alpha; it must be from a developer pc but i hardly believe that they are so far from finish it if they want to launch in March.

the almost finished version must be already in test to have a final product without bugs&shit like this leaked 0

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by laszlo

depend on what are u downloading

if you download illegal stuff from RS they can prove you downloaded it

if you download same stuff from torrent nobody knows exactly what contains the packets received from thousand of pc

so which is better...

i prefer torrent as i feel more safe;i admit i downloaded the game and get stucked many times as is not finished (i even saw a message that is for internal use only...) is not optimized at all so i think is not a beta or alpha; it must be from a developer pc but i hardly believe that they are so far from finish it if they want to launch in March.

the almost finished version must be already in test to have a final product without bugs&shit like this leaked 0

both alphas and betas come from developers PC's ya know.


This is clearly alpha, but whoever uploaded it first called it a beta for whatever reason.

the way i see it:

Alpha = runs, but clearly not ready for use.
Beta = runs fairly well, minor kinks that need to be identified
retail = works most of the time for most people, probably needs patching
3 years later = still not patched, go play the sequel instead!

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by Mussels

as has been said dozens of times... this happens with heaps of major game releases. never hurt their sales at all.

In fact, it makes next to no difference... all that matters is if the game sucks or not

You keep telling yourself that.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

You keep telling yourself that.

history says thats the way it is.

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

You keep telling yourself that.

And you keep denying it without looking into it yourself.



Every person I know that pirates either pirates as they are not GOING to buy the game.

I.E it's not a lost sale.

Or they Pirate to see what the game is like and if they like it they buy it.

I.E +1 sale!



I've never known someone who regulary buys games to suddenly go " wait, lets pirate this and never buy again"



You can see from this disscussion it's a moral thing.

It means that the sales/lack of sales are already "set in stone" if you will as it's down to what kind of person you are.

You either Beleive copying data is stealing or you dont.


Everything else is irrelevent. People who claim piracy ruined their game sales are just lying.

Firstly how can they prove this? Asking each person who pirated the game about if they didn't pirate would they buy it? Even that wouldn't be fact eh?



Regardless of your own personal opinion on the matter, the game companies/publishers are talking straight out of their arses with hypothetical numbers.

Where I'm from pulling data out your arse is looked down on

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by Mussels

history says thats the way it is.

I still know people who play the pirated version of HL2 because they hate steam.

Originally Posted by pantherx12

And you keep denying it without looking into it yourself.



Every person I know that pirates either pirates as they are not GOING to buy the game.

I.E it's not a lost sale.

Or they Pirate to see what the game is like and if they like it they buy it.

I.E +1 sale!



I've never known someone who regulary buys games to suddenly go " wait, lets pirate this and never buy again"



You can see from this disscussion it's a moral thing.

It means that the sales/lack of sales are already "set in stone" if you will as it's down to what kind of person you are.

You either Beleive copying data is stealing or you dont.


Everything else is irrelevent. People who claim piracy ruined their game sales are just lying.

Firstly how can they prove this? Asking each person who pirated the game about if they didn't pirate would they buy it? Even that wouldn't be fact eh?



Regardless of your own personal opinion on the matter, the game companies/publishers are talking straight out of their arses with hypothetical numbers.

Where I'm from pulling data out your arse is looked down on

Its nothing moral about what I am saying. I have stated fact after fact. Its the law. You cannot tell me even 50% of pirates buy the game eventually. You can't give me any numbers as you don't know. The only number we know is how many illegal downloads have been made. Then all you hear are pirate saying they were going to buy the game. I doubt even 20% do. It doesn't matter. You are breaking the law by downloading it. As for number of downloads you are kidding yourself if you don't think they are tracking it. The law is the law no matter how you think you can twist this you are breaking it by downloading Crisis 2 and devastating the platform.

When people break the law then the victims seek protection. In some cases the authorities. In other cases they simply do not put themselves in the situation anymore. Guess what. Crytek already blamed piracy once so it could go to the consoles. Now it may use this to abandon the PC all together. No nice job on downloading Crysis 2. Keep up the great work and pretty soon we will ALL have to go console to get our gaming fix. Why couldn't people just wait a month and buy the game? Give them no excuse. But NOOOOOO we all have to post screen shots and show off our e-peen like we are 10 years old and we just stole a beer from the fridge.

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

I still know people who play the pirated version of HL2 because they hate steam.

then those people have a problem. they pirated the game because it was not legally available in the format they wanted (non steam).


as for the piracy numbers - going to LAN events with 500 odd people and seeing everyone play a pirated game one lan, and 3/4 of them buying it (mostly on steam) and having it legit for the next one 2-3 months later? yeah, i CAN give you some small scale numbers, regarding piracy leading to sales.


i can even go out on a limb and list several that i pirated, and ended up buying because i deemed them awesome.

Borderlands.
Company of heroes.
bad company 2
starcraft II
supreme commander 1 +2
Titan quest + immortal throne
Trine
Lara croft and the guardian of light



thats only some of them - but the point is i experienced all of them via pirated means (either on friends machines, at LAN events or downloaded them myself due to a lack of a demo) and deemed them all worthy of purchase.

8 sales due to piracy that cannot be disputed.

[Mr McC]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

When people break the law then the victims seek protection.

That's fine, providing it doesn't involve shafting paying customers. If piracy prevents them from releasing on the pc in the future, then so be it. I would suggest that piracy is just as rife in the console industry, whereby I fail to see the logic of their argument.

[douglatins]

LMFAO, a little of topic but about leaks http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/...one-3-leaked/1

"Console gaming is dying now"

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by Mussels

then those people have a problem. they pirated the game because it was not legally available in the format they wanted (non steam).


as for the piracy numbers - going to LAN events with 500 odd people and seeing everyone play a pirated game one lan, and 3/4 of them buying it (mostly on steam) and having it legit for the next one 2-3 months later? yeah, i CAN give you some small scale numbers, regarding piracy leading to sales.


i can even go out on a limb and list several that i pirated, and ended up buying because i deemed them awesome.

Borderlands.
Company of heroes.
bad company 2
starcraft II
supreme commander 1 +2
Titan quest + immortal throne
Trine
Lara croft and the guardian of light



thats only some of them - but the point is i experienced all of them via pirated means (either on friends machines, at LAN events or downloaded them myself due to a lack of a demo) and deemed them all worthy of purchase.

8 sales due to piracy that cannot be disputed.

Oh well hell all the analysts and the entire industry is wrong you bought 8 games! Stop the presses! Mussels bought 8 games!!! I mean that justifies breaking the law right there!

[douglatins]

"Everything is permitted" Ezio FTW

[Mussels]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Oh well hell all the analysts and the entire industry is wrong you bought 8 games! Stop the presses! Mussels bought 8 games!!! I mean that justifies breaking the law right there!

i'm quite sure you've broken dozens of laws. parking and letting the meter expire. speeding in a car. driving in a car while over the legal limit (caught or not) and a million other examples.


the short version is you preach like a saint, but this is the internet. no one believes for one second that you are as saintly as you claim to be - and if you arent, then you're just being a hypocrite and only standing up for the one issue that affects you (because you're afraid others may steal your work and not get punished over it)

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

I still know people who play the pirated version of HL2 because they hate steam.



Its nothing moral about what I am saying. I have stated fact after fact. Its the law. You cannot tell me even 50% of pirates buy the game eventually. You can't give me any numbers as you don't know. The only number we know is how many illegal downloads have been made. Then all you hear are pirate saying they were going to buy the game. I doubt even 20% do. It doesn't matter. You are breaking the law by downloading it. As for number of downloads you are kidding yourself if you don't think they are tracking it. The law is the law no matter how you think you can twist this you are breaking it by downloading Crisis 2 and devastating the platform.

When people break the law then the victims seek protection. In some cases the authorities. In other cases they simply do not put themselves in the situation anymore. Guess what. Crytek already blamed piracy once so it could go to the consoles. Now it may use this to abandon the PC all together. No nice job on downloading Crysis 2. Keep up the great work and pretty soon we will ALL have to go console to get our gaming fix. Why couldn't people just wait a month and buy the game? Give them no excuse. But NOOOOOO we all have to post screen shots and show off our e-peen like we are 10 years old and we just stole a beer from the fridge.

Aye but stating "it's the law" is the worst argument for/against something ever.

Law should be completely irrelevent to a persons lifestyle.

For example, I care not one bit for law. Yet don't steal/don't crap in the street there's lots of laws I follow simply because their good ideas but I don't follow them because they are law.


"Its nothing moral about what I am saying. I have stated fact after fact. Its the law. You cannot tell me even 50% of pirates buy the game eventually."

100% true dude, but wasn't what I was saying.

I was saying from the way it looks, and the data I've read. + general understand of human bahavior piracy does not make a huge difference to game sales because people were not going to buy the game in the first instance.

That's the important factor here.

Companies saying " AHHHHHHHH 4000000 pirated copies and only 2000000 sold legit! that means we lost 40000000 customers!!!!!!!!!!!!" Are simply deluded.

Firstly no they don't take into account that some of those pirated downloads may of led to sales.

And no they don't take into account that it's more likely that those people were NEVER intending to buy the game.

It's not a lost sale and that's what the big issue here is.

( companies making out like it is)



+ one to mussels comment, most of the population of earth constantly breaks laws probably without even relising it most of the time.

Once found a website that calculated jail time based on petty crimes you probably didn't even know where crimes.

I clocked up 80 years! The average amoungst my friends was 50 years.


Law are just guidelines at the end of the day, but guidelines set by people who will punish you for not following them.

They are not morals.

( you also have to think who set these laws, a lot of the time big buisiness get a say in government as they provide such metric shit tons amount of money, goverments are protecting their own investments not protecting people nesscerily)

[TheMailMan78]

Originally Posted by Mussels

i'm quite sure you've broken dozens of laws. parking and letting the meter expire. speeding in a car. driving in a car while over the legal limit (caught or not) and a million other examples.


the short version is you preach like a saint, but this is the internet. no one believes for one second that you are as saintly as you claim to be - and if you arent, then you're just being a hypocrite and only standing up for the one issue that affects you (because you're afraid others may steal your work and not get punished over it)

Oh personal now? Ok how about a website that doesn't condone piracy in any way and a mod that brags about the games hes pirated including a currently unreleased game? Talk about hypocritical. One could call that a mild judgment lapse or something else.....

Anyway everyone breaks the law. I have already stated I am no saint. But the difference is I don't intentionally do it. Further more I don't brag about it. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Anyway I suggest you stay on topic.

[Mr McC]

Originally Posted by TheMailMan78

Oh personal now? Ok how about a website that doesn't condone piracy in any way and a mod that brags about the games hes pirated including a currently unreleased game? Talk about hypocritical. One could call that a mild judgment lapse or something else.....

Anyway everyone breaks the law. I have already stated I am no saint. But the difference is I don't intentionally do it. Further more I don't brag about it. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Anyway I suggest you stay on topic.

As a bystander and an impartial, or albeit partial, observer, I have to say that at no time did Mussels come across as bragging or advocating piracy, I believe you are intentionally misconstruing what he said. Rather, he was refuting your argument with hard evidence, an argument that seems to hinge on the "fact" that consoles are the last bastion of the honest gamer and the victimised developer, when we all know that this is not the case.

[douglatins]

O man, I hate false moralists. I keep reading kill the pirates, hang them, etc. By this though every "crime" as harmful as piracy (like jaywalking) should be punishable by death, I would expect china to have such penalties, but they are built over mass-piracy. Could we please close this thread? Or have someone delete every post that discusses piracy? Nothing can be said that hasn't been said before. Every time something happens the same discussion shows.

Microsoft owns the world because they let Windows get pirated in the beginning, so piracy cannot be stopped without breaking some personal rights. You can only try to use it for your favor.

[pantherx12]

Originally Posted by Mr McC

A an argument that seems to hinge on the "fact" that consoles are the last bastion of the honest gamer and the victimised developer, when we all know that this is not the case.

Can get xboxes and ps3s done for 15 quid up the local market where I live

[Mr McC]

Originally Posted by pantherx12

Can get xboxes and ps3s done for 15 quid up the local market where I live

In Spain, the situation is the same, if not worse.

[HalfAHertz]

Ok let's do some guesstimating. The original Crisys had a budget of 15 mil eur. or 22 million $[numbers taken from here] and sold 1 million in the first 3 months and half a million more in the next 3 months[numbers from here].

If the average selling price was 50$ and we say that about 15$[average numbers by analyst Michael Pachter] of that goes directly to the studio, then they already broke even after the first 6 months and everything after that was pure profit. Mind you that the original game was released only for the PC and is still selling (and being pirated) to this very day. It surpasses market estimates and was considered a huge success and highly profitable by Cevat Yerli - Crytec's CEO.

Ok this time around the game is released for 3 platforms: PC PS3 and Xbox360. There are ~49million PS3s[numbers from wikipedia] and over 50 million[numbers from wikipedia] Xbox360s(my bet is that the actual number is 1/2 that because of RRODs) into the wild. that means that even if the adoption rate is at least 2% on the consoles EA has a guaranteed clientèle base of at least twice that of the original PC version or >3 million.

What this all means is that even if the budget of the game had doubled (very unlikely) and even if they somehow managed to make 0 sales and 0 profit on the PC front(also very unlikely), they'd still break even thanks to sales from just the two consoles.

Ergo this pirated release will not hurt EA and Crytec in any significant way and they will still be rolling in dough. You can all sleep better now.

Edit:So my question to you is this: Does the game meet your standards? Is its price justified? If not what would you change?

[douglatins]

secondly, while i admire the moralistic approach many seem to have about piracy, it's shameful that so many have no idea of the real effects of piracy. it's shameful that they are willing to read these articles and accept that piracy is killing the industry without doing the slightest bit of research. it's shameful that Jim Sterling can write this stuff and call himself a journalist (am i surprised? i am not).

i used to appreciate his troll bait tabloid style when he was poking fun at reactionary crap like the stuff he's written today, but now it's becoming a sad self parody.

educate yourselves people. the idea that software piracy might be killing the videogames industry pales in comparison to the idea that people no longer take the time to check a fact before they act. there is no limit to the damage that can be done by that kind of ignorance.

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