BSoD HD 6950

Maixaule · Feb 15, 2011

Hello every one, i´m new here but i´m read this forum a lot, i must say is really amazing that is why i put this issue here because i really need help.

Video card: MSI HD 6950
Memory: G.SKILL 4GB Model F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ
MOBO: MSI K9N2 SLI Platinum / K9N2 Zilent
Processor :AMD Phenom X4 9850 2500MHz Agena core
Psu: Sentey ERP700-SM 700-Watts Modular Power Supply
OS: Win 7 64 Bit
HD:1 Tb WDD 7200 rpm
Audio card: DIAMOND XtremeSound 5.1/16 bit Sound Card

Ok the story begins, before this card i have 9800 GTX Asus Brand, whit time it get old and trash it but never get problem whit it, then i buy HD 4350 Saphire meanwhile never have problem whit it, the HD 6950 arrive, well i reinstall all the OS to get fresh start, well i run the stuff all was ok, i try mod the video card whit the bios for the HD 6970 and i get no stable system and i get back to old and run the card y many stress like furmark and unigine, that was ok but time to time i geting screen freeze and after reboot i get

Firma con problemas:
Nombre del evento de problema: BlueScreen
Versión del sistema operativo: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.1
Id. de configuración regional: 8202

Información adicional del problema:
BCCode: 124
BCP1: 0000000000000000
BCP2: FFFFFA8004DC8798
BCP3: 0000000000000000
BCP4: 0000000000000000
OS Version: 6_1_7600
Service Pack: 0_0
Product: 256_1

Archivos que ayudan a describir el problema:
C:\Windows\Minidump\021411-29453-01.dmp
C:\Users\Quit\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-52078-0.sysdata.xml

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Well i try different Drivers and still the same, is very ramdom some time i play or render something for 5 hour and nothing happend and other i play 20 min and it freeze, and otre times i just on web and it freeze and the same again

ok everyone if u can help please help me out, i need make some 3d Models and pc just does help.
And really sorry my bad gramar but i not english native language.

Frick · Feb 15, 2011

Did you have these problems before you tried the flash?

I had the exact same problems with a Geforce GT240 and the final solution was to replace it.

arroyo · Feb 15, 2011

Flash back to HD6950, install fresh OS. Check again.

Frick · Feb 15, 2011

arroyo said:
Flash back to HD6950, install fresh OS. Check again.

I think he did exactly that.

Maixaule · Feb 15, 2011

Well IDk why but i really think it must be driver , because Amd driver have become shitye lately or OS related problem. i looking for some directions and thx fo the replies guys.

Maixaule · Feb 15, 2011

Can any help? , sorry if i uber noisy whit this but need find a solution, and look like alone just cant.

arroyo · Feb 15, 2011

Can you put everything to the stock settings (CPU, graphics card, RAM) and reinstall your OS. If BSOD problem will still occur, than we can look further.

Maixaule · Feb 15, 2011

arroyo said:
Can you put everything to the stock settings (CPU, graphics card, RAM) and reinstall your OS. If BSOD problem will still occur, than we can look further.

ok i will start from there, thx

Maixaule · Feb 15, 2011

arroyo said:
Can you put everything to the stock settings (CPU, graphics card, RAM) and reinstall your OS. If BSOD problem will still occur, than we can look further.

Hey 1 Question what drive i should use for Gpu the new 11,2 or other one? thx in advantage.

arroyo · Feb 15, 2011

The new 11.2.

Maixaule · Feb 16, 2011

well after install new OS, drivers and stuff, whit nothing OC or moded ,the Danm of BSoD show up again mean i was trying unigine heaven, and after that in browsing , :shadedshu

Almost forgot, i check memory system all night and no error was encounter in 60 passes.

Under Event viewer in Win 7 , before i have it but i forgot to add the data.

critical:

A fatal hardware error has occurred.

Component: AMD Northbridge

Error Source: Machine Check Exception

Error Type: HyperTransport Watchdog Timeout Error

Processor ID: 0

The details view of this entry contains further information.

critical this one to:

The driver detected a controller error on \Device\Harddisk3\DR3.

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

here is the BSoD detail , is in english because i intall OS in english, think can help more to u guys.

Problem signature:

Problem Event Name: BlueScreen

OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.1

Locale ID: 1033

Additional information about the problem:

BCCode: 124

BCP1: 0000000000000000

BCP2: FFFFFA8004E8A4F8

BCP3: 0000000000000000

BCP4: 0000000000000000

OS Version: 6_1_7600

Service Pack: 0_0

Product: 256_1

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D:\Windows\Minidump\021611-21984-01.dmp

D:\Users\Maixaule\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-27375-0.sysdata.xml

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men i start :banghead:

but in RL

arroyo · Feb 16, 2011

Bump CPU-NB voltage.

Maixaule · Feb 16, 2011

arroyo said:
Bump CPU-NB voltage.

sorry men can explain me what to do because i dont get it, and thx fo all the help.

arroyo · Feb 16, 2011

It looks like you have problems with IMC (Integrated Memory Controller) that is build in your CPU. To make your machine more stable you should look in your comuter BIOS for something caled "NB Voltage" or "CPU-NB Voltage" or "IMC Voltage" and set value 0.1V higher than default.

Maixaule · Feb 16, 2011

arroyo said:
It looks like you have problems with IMC (Integrated Memory Controller) that is build in your CPU. To make your machine more stable you should look in your comuter BIOS for something caled "NB Voltage" or "CPU-NB Voltage" or "IMC Voltage" and set value 0.1V higher than default.

Well i really tanks a lot all this info, i will add it then, i just need 0.1v o more, or i need see the stability of the system?

Maixaule · Feb 17, 2011

hey ther i add some 0.25v on all stuff but i notce that the Spread Spectrum was enable, that can be the cauze of BSoD , 1 time i notice it was on, by stock i think it was of but it was not. i turn it of finger cross :ohwell:

Maixaule · Feb 17, 2011

well no luck, the system is little more stable but it hang , the story again after reset the win show the stuff , "the system have recover form critical error" and the stuff of the BSoD info.

so what i can do now? :banghead:

Mussels · Feb 17, 2011

there could be a lot of causes for this, but i think its been narrowed down.

The problem is hardware for sure - but that doesnt mean its not fixable. BIOS settings exist for situations like this.

Since you said your system worked fine on the other video cards, that really reduces the likelihood of other hardware like your RAM or CPU being the problem.

What i think the problem is, is that the extra power draw has weakened your PSU to the point its making your system unstable. You've had a variety of errors, all of which could be explained by power problems - northbridge and SATA drive errors, BSOD's... all can occur from a problematic PSU.

and before you say anything, yes a 700W PSU is enough for a 6950... but you have a PSU who's brand i've never heard of. it may well be cheap, low quality junk and over-stating what its really capable of.

Maixaule · Feb 17, 2011

Mussels said:
there could be a lot of causes for this, but i think its been narrowed down.

The problem is hardware for sure - but that doesnt mean its not fixable. BIOS settings exist for situations like this.

Since you said your system worked fine on the other video cards, that really reduces the likelihood of other hardware like your RAM or CPU being the problem.

What i think the problem is, is that the extra power draw has weakened your PSU to the point its making your system unstable. You've had a variety of errors, all of which could be explained by power problems - northbridge and SATA drive errors, BSOD's... all can occur from a problematic PSU.

and before you say anything, yes a 700W PSU is enough for a 6950... but you have a PSU who's brand i've never heard of. it may well be cheap, low quality junk and over-stating what its really capable of.

Thx for the reply here is the PSU info and the web site, can u think this is the real problem? i buy whit the Video card and is brand new it cost me 92 $, now i think WHY the FUCK i no buy other kwon brand, i tink of it many time after i buy it.

site:
http://tiny.cc/b57m5

attach PSu spec:

Mussels · Feb 17, 2011

IMO thats fairly poor.

It does have a lot of power, but the 12V is spread out over 4 rails - 18A @ 12V is only 216W, which is enough in most systems, but if you're drawing too much off one rail (say, the first rail could be feeding all your hard drives, part of your CPU power, and the first 75W (from the PCI-E slot) requirement of the video card, it COULD be overloading it.

they themselves say its 600W over the 4 12V rails, so they're rating it even lower at 150W per rail on average. that cant be good.

This isnt to say the PSU is the problem - but its definitely something you should look into.

edit: according to them, 18+18+18+20 = 50 (its 74) so they're definitely overrating the PSU's capabilities, by almost 50% on the 12V rails (which is where most CPU and GPU get their power from)

Maixaule · Feb 17, 2011

i wonder who to fix this problem, because if i buy a new PSu and the problem persist ?, the bad thing is i cant get a borrow PSu. any test that can point in real issue?

Mussels · Feb 17, 2011

Maixaule said:
i wonder who to fix this problem, because if i buy a new PSu and the problem persist ?, the bad thing is i cant get a borrow PSu. any test that can point in real issue?

ehhh, not really.

the two steps would be to try the video card in a system with a better PSU (i'd go for at least two 25A 12V rails, or one 30A+), or to get another PSU for your system to test with.

if you bought it from a local store, they may be willing to test it for you.

Goodman · Feb 17, 2011

Mussels said:
edit: according to them, 18+18+18+20 = 50 (its 74) so they're definitely overrating the PSU's capabilities, by almost 50% on the 12V rails (which is where most CPU and GPU get their power from)

See that what people makes the mistake when they buy multiple rail PSU , you never combine the amps & said that's what you got total on the 12v it DOESN'T WORK like that...

What is to check is the total of watts that your PSU produce on your 12v rails which in his case is 600w so it is 600/12=50amps

Never ever combine all 12v rails amps that wont give you the total of amps on 12v rails
Always divide your max watts (on the 12v) by 12 that is the real total amps you get

But i agree i too don't trust his PSU it's either that or he got a bad 6950?
So trying another PSU or try the 6950 in another PC

Mussels · Feb 17, 2011

Goodman said:
See that what people makes the mistake when they buy multiple rail PSU , you never combine the amps & said that's what you got total on the 12v it DOESN'T WORK like that...

What is to check is the total of watts that your PSU produce on your 12v rails which in his case is 600w so it is 600*12=50amps

Never ever combine all 12v rails amps that wont give you the total of amps on 12v rails
Always divide your max watts (on the 12v) by 12 that is the real total amps you get

But i agree i too don't trust his PSU it's either that or he got a bad 6950?
So trying another PSU or try the 6950 in another PC

it doesnt match what you said either.

they state themselves they only have 50A available. your method doesnt match that. what they'd done is got some components that can only output 50A, and split it between those four rails.

each rail may be able to give the rated amount it has, but they cant all do it at once. hence, over-rating what its capable of.

Goodman · Feb 17, 2011

Mussels said:
it doesnt match what you said either.

they state themselves they only have 50A available. your method doesnt match that. what they'd done is got some components that can only output 50A, and split it between those four rails.

each rail may be able to give the rated amount it has, but they cant all do it at once. hence, over-rating what its capable of.

This "method" is the truth w/v=a or a*v=w the max amps that he can draw from is 4x12v rails is 50amps no more but each rail can't go over their max which is 18a & one at 20a

I've edit my post #23 since i use "*" instead of "/" but fix now...

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